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Re: Aliens [Re: sunshine]
    #23968023 - 12/30/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I used to see the balls when I was younger.  They are little balls of electricity and they sound like a hummingbird.





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Re: Aliens [Re: HamHead]
    #23968251 - 12/30/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My last LSD trip I saw this praying mantis that was completely made of pulsating rainbow colors appear when I closed my eyes. It was only for a few seconds but I have read of other people experiencing similar entities while tripping.


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Re: Aliens [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23968259 - 12/30/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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My last LSD trip I saw this praying mantis that was completely made of pulsating rainbow colors appear when I closed my eyes. It was only for a few seconds but I have read of other people experiencing similar entities while tripping.




Dude are you me?

I saw the mantis as well on LSD :eek:

It was made of vibratory fields and was very alien.


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Re: Aliens [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23968294 - 12/30/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Wow thats nuts i saw the mantis on mushrooms and different colors were emanating from it as if it was creating the experience


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Re: Aliens [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23968867 - 12/30/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its interesting how we all can have similar experiences like that. Is it because we somehow thought of a praying mantis in our sub conscious or is there really there mantis like being that live beyond our normal perception. Maybe these things are all around us all the time, just on different vibrational fields?
Makes me want to create some sort of device that tunes into this frequency haha kind of like the movie From Beyond.


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Re: Aliens [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23969313 - 12/30/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Was this the same praying mantis? Or might we all have our own personal guardian praying mantis?


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Re: Aliens [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23969328 - 12/30/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Its interesting how we all can have similar experiences like that. Is it because we somehow thought of a praying mantis in our sub conscious or is there really there mantis like being that live beyond our normal perception. Maybe these things are all around us all the time, just on different vibrational fields?
Makes me want to create some sort of device that tunes into this frequency haha kind of like the movie From Beyond.




Well you can, go pick up a high frequency voice recorder and you can capture voices coming through the ether, at places where spirits are. (Haunted)

Also I've never had any entity manifestation in any of my trips, but ive had them in sober life, but that doesn't take away from the phenomena that most people see the same thing, and it's weird multiple people would see the same thing, and it's weird how I can't comprehend what you guys are talking about, but I keep an open mind and believe it to be true.


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Re: Aliens [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23969377 - 12/30/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I can sit in a dark room on mushrooms too and meditate for hours, but I end up floating in my own bliss and a world of shapes and geometry made by love, entities don't start appearing, I feel like these manifestations are just a way for your brain to understand really what's happening to you in a visual sense, or give you a message, and it seems this general message is the same across all psychedelic users besides the visions of entities, that something else exists that we aren't fully aware of or understand, basically like conscious dreaming.

Are you gonna believe what you dream every time? Some would say that's illogical, as we find out dreams are just a way for our unconscious mind to communicate with us, we are evolving into consciously dreaming beings, infinite and endless

Now for the reason why people see the same thing could have started from one thought or one vision which now causes a collective thought based manifestation in everyone's trip. Im just throwing this shit out there :lol: and all random theories

This begs the question, why do some people see entities, and why do some not. Time and place? Does it really just come down to that? Or, are there different types of people, some who need visual confirmation, and some who don't to get the same message.


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Re: Aliens [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23969412 - 12/30/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I can sit in a dark room on mushrooms too and meditate for hours, but I end up floating in my own bliss and a world of shapes and geometry made by love, entities don't start appearing, I feel like these manifestations are just a way for your brain to understand really what's happening to you in a visual sense, or give you a message, and it seems this general message is the same across all psychedelic users besides the visions of entities, that something else exists that we aren't fully aware of or understand, basically like conscious dreaming.




But how exactly does it help the brain understand what's really happening to them? If anything doesn't it just raise more questions? Both consciously and unconsciously? And why do these things have such an aura of strangeness and "otherness" to them? I mean it's not like you just see something animated or autonomous and assume it's real no it feels real and it feels very outside of you and very much it's own thing. I mean why would it have all these strange otherworldly feelings associated with it as well as utter unorthodox weirdness that you couldn't possibly have imagined based on the life that you've lived?

Why is the imagery and the feelings behind it so unreferent to the ocean of commercially produced imagery in which we swim? Why is it SO different from the mundane and so unexpected and yet so similar all across the board? Why is it the same for people from all backgrounds? Why can indigenous tribes people do DMT and see machinescapes when they've never even seen metal?

I'm not necessarily saying this entity stuff is real but to say "it's just your brain trying to make sense of things" well that would raise many many more questions imo than to say these things are real because even anecdotally it doesn't seem to match up to that reductionist idea.


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Re: Aliens [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #23969473 - 12/30/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's definititely a phenomena to be explored, but until it happens to me I won't be able to add any subjective experience and my true thoughts on the matter, I gotta wait for my time to see them, or maybe I never will.

Now please try to read this next part and truly understand from my point of view so we can come to a better conclusion

What do the entities do for you that the mushrooms wouldn't already do is kind of my question, they come and fill you with great bliss and otherworldly feelings, they leave you with more questions than answers. It seems like it's just the DMT allowing us to visualize these things (well obviously) but I believe they are visualized manifestation of what you can't understand, into a message which you can begin to ponder (dreaming) ie unconscious communicating with the conscious. Communication with the unbound conscious, you never know what you'll find, literally anything is possible so why take entities out of that equation, we don't. It's just another crazy story for you to make sense of

Because I am left with similar outlooks on life, and the same feelings on my mushroom trip as people who visualize entities but I dont, what does that really mean, I don't personally think they mean anything, besides what they mean to you.

And that's all that will ever matter.

Of course it's real, because it happened to you! Just like I can fall asleep and have a dream of complete randomness that leaves me with more questions than answers. My logical mind doesn't stop for a second to say it was fake, it's real in the moment and it's real afterwords.

The entities are real, simply because they happened, the entities are not real in a physical sense and I'm not sure they have any other purpose rather than to raise consciousness, speaking of entities as "they" because you are the one which creates them and gives them their structure and presence.

There is no reality without an observer, we consciously create it, or in this case unconsciously. That's what should trigger some serious questions

Not the fact that you did see them, that's obvious but why and how you saw them is the real question..

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In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
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Re: Aliens [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23969612 - 12/30/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Yeah not in my experience. It isn't simply "they just feel cool" or they somehow "invite" feelings of strangeness no they are the strangeness and they're coming to you from somewhere else. It isn't just you feel funny weird things you know somehow what you're looking at and you "know" it's outside of yourself and not some "perceptual metaphor". I can tell when my mind is doing something like that, I know most people can't but I can assure you I'm different and I can assure you these things are not part of me. They have their own thing going on, their own ways of existing and their own personalities.

If these things are part of me why do others around me experience them simultaneously and why do they have the same characters? Any projection of the mind or anything like that is going to be humanized in some way through its presentation and these things are the exact opposite of humanized. It's almost like their main point like they're trying their hardest to assure you that they are separate and residing in another dimension of some sort whether this be in the mind or wherever else. The human mind simply can't, it can't produce something so unhumanized it just doesn't work that way on drugs or not on drugs and it would certainly never be as detailed and never as consistent.

I'm not sure what you meant when you asked what these entities do that shrooms don't because it's not what they do it's how they are and the context in which they are experienced. I've analyzed their essence and characteristics objectively and I see no reason to claim this as part of the unconscious mind let alone the conscious mind "trying to piece things together" no that is not what is happening because it's entirely structured and contrived. To say these things are just the mind's way of trying to figure things out visually (even though it's not a visual thing) to me that makes even less sense than to say these things are full on aliens and I'm the one trying to be logical about it.
I just see no evidence not even basic evidence that suggests these things are somehow a part of you or a way for your mind to "piece things together" which makes even less sense because that's not even how the mind works especially in these states and especially so consistently.

Again, even anecdotally and subjectively it doesn't add up. It doesn't take a world renown professional psychologist to spot a visual, perceptual or sensoric projection of their unconscious mind, I know what those are and what they look like because I experience them while tripping and believe me they are completely separate from this phenomena. If anything that's just one of the many trivial things psychedelics do that aren't related to its other more profound aspects. I think it's quite arrogant and human to think these things that are so alien and so unorthodox and detailed to actually be just a part of you. Sounds kind of grandiose and superficial like some new agey yogi mumbo jumbo, it just doesn't add up when you really look at it or analyze it. As soon as you put a magnifying glass to it its flaws are easily exposed and it isn't a true objective view on the situation because you're completely ignoring everything that contradicts that idea. That's why I said it would make even less sense, I want the answer that makes the most sense not the answer that is the most politically correct because when it comes to this projection of the mind and all these things about the mind trying to make sense of neurological chaos it just seems like a politically correct copout like you're trying to sound rational by being a reductionist but that's simply one point of view, a point of view birthed from the western mind and nothing more. No objectivity or critical analysis really.


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Re: Aliens [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23969622 - 12/30/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Also the whole "reality isn't real" thing doesn't help us here because all conversations on this are in a pragmatic context not an ontological or phenomenological one.

If we're going to be phenomenological about analyzing data then this conversation is just as "not real" as those entities. There's no point in bringing reality into this when everything's a contradiction anyways. We can only have conversations when we set limits on reality, that's how we make it through everyday.
Bashing objective reality simply to evade the topic of a supernatural being's relevance to objective reality isn't a direct argument.


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Re: Aliens [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23969706 - 12/31/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Also the whole "reality isn't real" thing doesn't help us here because all conversations on this are in a pragmatic context not an ontological or phenomenological one.

If we're going to be phenomenological about analyzing data then this conversation is just as "not real" as those entities. There's no point in bringing reality into this when everything's a contradiction anyways. We can only have conversations when we set limits on reality, that's how we make it through everyday.
Bashing objective reality simply to evade the topic of a supernatural being's relevance to objective reality isn't a direct argument.




Exactly,

This conversation isn't real in the sense it would not of happened if there was no one to observe it, we weren't here to experience it, we are the only real thing we know, we created realism - and it's just an illusion at that, a manifestation of consciousness I believe.

If you read my post, I fully believe in the entities, I'm not bashing on people's experiences at all, I'm just like you and trying to figure out what it is and why it happens.

What makes you think the entities are outside of your self? Besides what your thoughts and emotions are making you feel that way.

And why do you think some people see them and some don't?

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Re: Aliens [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23969713 - 12/31/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Some people's third eyes are totally calused, "protecting", or "denying" us from them?


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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
    #23969725 - 12/31/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

That would lead me to my theory it only happens in divine timing, meaning at the right time and right place, for said individual

Obviously not everyone is ready to have their pineal gland blasted open, and the ones that are have it happen. Simple as that

I'll be awaiting my call, if it ever comes.


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Re: Aliens [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23969799 - 12/31/16 01:32 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

I'm not sure if anyone's ever ready to forge into the dimensional unknown and have to rethink everything they've ever known about the world and "life" on the planet earth. Let alone the possibility of opening a portal to the negative beings. From my research, not all of them are "good".


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Re: Aliens [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23969896 - 12/31/16 03:57 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Or, are there different types of people, some who need visual confirmation, and some who don't to get the same message.



This. There are different roles in the village. We don't all get to play the shaman, even if we have access to the medicine.



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That would lead me to my theory it only happens in divine timing, meaning at the right time and right place, for said individual

Obviously not everyone is ready to have their pineal gland blasted open, and the ones that are have it happen. Simple as that

I'll be awaiting my call, if it ever comes.



The fact that you have an open mind about it says enough about your readiness. It doesn't take heroic doses or anything to experience this. Just a very particular kind of sensitive mind at the right place at the right time. You may or may not ever experience this and that is completely OK.

Now for a story.

Once I was piloting the spaceship that my house had become for the night into a vast audiovisual static field. I was standing at an advanced helm that ordinarily would have been my turntables. We were making music noises and kinda just flying ourselves into the unknown.
I ended up running into some space dude in a different dimensional sphere out somewhere in deep space. Dude tried to make moves on my lady so we got into a fight.

Now, I'm not normally the jealous type but this guy was just being kinda pushy. It escalated until I had to park for a sec, and bring in my man jerry garcia to play the arbiter. Jerry eventually cooled dudeman off, and I cooled down once I realized that all I needed was some universal love to ease things up. I mean after all, this was a higher dimensional prizmatic space being, so really how argumentative could I really be? After a while dudeman and I came to some sort of unspoken agreement, we "shook hands" of sorts and parted ways.  My lady was quite flustered by the whole experience.

Just after I caught drift that Jerry had transitioned into singing some kind of folk tale about the whole interaction to a crowd of reveling people in 1977. I then shrugged it off, ate some snacks, and painted some shit.

It's not always sunshine and rainbows out there, but usually theres some involved regardless.
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Re: Aliens [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23969912 - 12/31/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Wow thats nuts i saw the mantis on mushrooms and different colors were emanating from it as if it was creating the experience



ive had people on my youtube channel also report the mantis. strassmans book mentions it too.

must be a reoccurring archetype like the jester/clown

but like.. WHYY? :lol:

ive never seen the mantis personally, just clowns


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Re: Aliens [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #23969958 - 12/31/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Wow thats nuts i saw the mantis on mushrooms and different colors were emanating from it as if it was creating the experience



ive had people on my youtube channel also report the mantis. strassmans book mentions it too.

must be a reoccurring archetype like the jester/clown

but like.. WHYY? :lol:

ive never seen the mantis personally, just clowns





the jester is quite terrifying...

it has a very twisted face with crooked rotting teeth.. ive never seen it for quite some time maybe I need to dose high and see it again. I miss him a little.

Upon quick reading, the jester they say represents your egocentric self.


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Re: Aliens [Re: sunshine]
    #23970017 - 12/31/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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You usually see them out of the corner of your eye



Is that a god damned Doctor Who reference? :lol:

If so that's pretty clever.


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