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Outdoor raised bed tek concept
    #23966652 - 12/29/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

For those of you that arent following me on youtube i have my mushroom grow and now a small backyard farm. My farm has mulch walkways that are inoculated with oyster mushrooms using my spent blocks and they do well. I've been thinking about improving the conditions and hope to make a trial bed this spring. Here are my observations

-Mushrooms with no shade or cover get weathered quick and grow low to the ground
-when growing out of mulch walkways they get covered with dirt on the bottoms
-mushrooms under row cover cloth do really well

My goal is to make marketable oyster mushrooms in my garden beds.

My plan is to make a bed with long leafy crops, preferably perennials. Artichoke would be a good choice IMO. Id lay down compost then 4-6" of mulch with broken up oyster blocks, drip lines, then a poly sheet with holes for the artichokes. The key here is id also poke small holes for the mushrooms between the artichoke holes. Then i can put row cover hoops over the rows. Hopefully since the mushrooms will be up high on the bed vs down low in the walkways there should be less dirt on the mushrooms.  Of course some mushrooms will pop up around the base of the artichoke but hopefully the poly will help the product be more marketable. I'm sure the ones that fruit out the mushroom holes will be primo. Key thing here is im turning my waste stream and free mulch into hopefully an additional large stream of primo mushrooms with minimal prep.



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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23966950 - 12/29/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23967067 - 12/29/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When I farmed produce we used all our spent sub to mulch out beds and redress the mulch on perennial beds. Oysters would fruit like crazy provided we grew them underneath cloth or a veg that had a large canopy. Not really enough to merit the extra work though, but cool to turn waste into a usable mulch.
Poking holes in your black plastic kind of defeats the whole purpose of a weed barrier for your veg and weed barrier is not cheap. Weeds will poke through the holes you made for the mushrooms and then you've just landed yourself in a world of hand weeding.

In my experience the only mulch that has long term efficacy is plastic or land scape fabric.
It is so much easier running your stirrup or wheel hoe down your beds than it is to constantly redress and hand weed.

Why not just let the spent blocks fruit and then compost them and use that compost for the garden?


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: MycoFlora]
    #23967084 - 12/29/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I do use them as compost in the garden, as well as inoculate a few walkways. I have extremely low weed pressure so i dont see too many weeds poping out of the plastic, besides the holes are only going to be small 3/4" broadhead arrow head holes to help wirh clean harvests. Also there would be 4-6" of colonized mulch under the plastic, not the optimal conditions for any weeds to take a foodhold.


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23967096 - 12/30/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I had weeds make pin hole size holes through my plastic and proliferate from there to a problematic amount. Much smaller than an arrowhead. In the In summer time I think you would find the weed pressure too great. Not trying to be a nay sayer but I have done it and it was more effort than return.

That being said..if you are going to do it, lay your drip down first underneath the mulch, then plastic. burying the drip tape like this not only conserves water by keeping it at the root zone but it helps reduce surface watering which would drastically cut down any weed pressure.
And instead of poking additional holes for the shrooms you could just let them fruit through the same holes your plants are coming through, reducing the area for problem weeds too.
And if you REALLY want to get carried away with it, use land scaping fabric with holes burned in it for your veg. You can simply lift the barrier up when you want to replant(for annuals) broad fork your beds and add your compost and mush mulch and re lay the barrier eliminating your need for tilling and keeping the mush alive.

Just some ideas


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: MycoFlora]
    #23967097 - 12/30/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A no-till gardener I know digs drainage runs along his rows that get washed in with all types of woody/mulch derbies that don't impede the water flow.

I wonder if you could try something like this and knowing the suns path you could easily shade with the plants you are growing


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23967470 - 12/30/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I do use them as compost in the garden, as well as inoculate a few walkways. I have extremely low weed pressure so i dont see too many weeds poping out of the plastic, besides the holes are only going to be small 3/4" broadhead arrow head holes to help wirh clean harvests. Also there would be 4-6" of colonized mulch under the plastic, not the optimal conditions for any weeds to take a foodhold.



i really loved using spend straw logs as sheet mulch, and for foot paths.  we did a big patch of brassicas a couple years ago and their water use went way down with the straw/mycelium mulch.  It really did help almost as well as black plastic.  I know you're not doing straw any more so...I wouldn't really mess with outdoor fruiting but you could just setup a 10x10 tent with screen or shadecloth walls + some misters for secondary fruiting.  Shelving has a lot better use per sq ft if space is an issue.

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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: drake89]
    #23968958 - 12/30/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's a nice looking piece of property there Drake. Real quiet like.


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: MorePies]
    #23977845 - 01/03/17 01:39 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Yea drake, i seem to see the same trend. I had my biggest clusters under my biggest kale plant. Deffently a beneficial organizim even in a vegetable garden, most of my reading says fungi are more for trees but i say nay. Here are some mushrooms i recently uncovered from my row cover in my tiny arugula patch.








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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23978760 - 01/03/17 12:52 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Other than them breaking down nutrients and making them bioavailble to the plants saprophytes don't really have a working relationship with plants.
Mycorhizzal fungi definitely do, but they do not interact with the brassica family.
Correlation does not imply causation.


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: MycoFlora]
    #23978894 - 01/03/17 01:43 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I do like burying blocks but I could never sell those.


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: drake89]
    #23979025 - 01/03/17 02:36 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

that pic with the oyster growing up around the brassica is so cool. I'm definitely going to try this out in my garden this summer


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: drake89]
    #23979634 - 01/03/17 06:37 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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I do like burying blocks but I could never sell those.





It could be processed though, if that's your thing.


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: RolledUhhp]
    #23979665 - 01/03/17 06:54 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: MycoFlora]
    #23980335 - 01/03/17 11:56 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Other than them breaking down nutrients and making them bioavailble to the plants saprophytes don't really have a working relationship with plants.
Mycorhizzal fungi definitely do, but they do not interact with the brassica family.
Correlation does not imply causation.



How is breaking down waste in the soil into nutrients and storing water not a working relationship? Also the plant providing shade and humidity for the mushrooms.


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Re: Outdoor raised bed tek concept [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23982007 - 01/04/17 05:13 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

It takes a bit of time for saprophytic mycelium to break down sub into a usuable form, nutritionally speaking, for veg to use. Humus isn't made over night. I'm not saying it doesn't have it's place in the garden, again I did this very thing for years.
I was speaking more to the reference that the mush was growing up from your biggest kale plant.

In my experience, you would be better off getting some water soluable mycorhizzal incoculant and fertigating it in through your drip. It is extremely effective. We used to spray it on all of our plant starts a week or two before transplanting.It definitely boosts yields.

Save your blocks for for a secondary fruiting area, which would be super cheap to make and you would undoubtedly get more shrooms than using them as an integrated mulch, then use them for compost when they are truly spent.

Just my 2 cents man.


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