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San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk?
    #23966021 - 12/29/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Have a look at the photos. So this thing fell down a year ago or so and has just been laying at the base of the group of cactus. I'm extremely thankful however I've never had San Pedro so thick ever ever ever. Without getting technical. I'm thinking a foot long piece is going to be a stupid huge dose. Any thoughts? Approximately 4 feet long 6 inches thick.



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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23966053 - 12/29/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Six in diameter?  That would be large.  The Juul's is a thick heavy alkaloid beast as well.  Unfortunately size doesn't equate to heavy in alkaloids.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23966079 - 12/29/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well hopefully this doesn't turn into a complete sh!t show. Again I've never done this with a chunk this fat. They are always really thin when I have bought in the past. Also the core to meat ratio is pretty incredible, lots of meat. I'll take a whole bunch of pictures while I'm doing my Tek for anyone who cares.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23966185 - 12/29/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

the mescalin content goes up when they fall down and are cut off or dried out, because they try harder to survive and secrete/make more chemicals to ward off pretadors, or at least thats the theory i've heard.
that cut looks good, i'd go with the 12 inch cut, mescalin is forgiving, go for it


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23966238 - 12/29/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So just for the sake of conversation and reality. I'm assuming you speak from experience. With the heavy juuls cactus samples that are pretty fat, what is your typical section size?


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23966251 - 12/29/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ergo... I appreciate your input. And I really like your push that mescaline is forgiving. I generally feel the same way HOWEVER! One time it was definitely not forgiving! And I don't want that to happen again.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23966270 - 12/29/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm assuming you speak from experience. With the heavy juuls cactus samples that are pretty fat, what is your typical section size?



Yeah, i've tripped i'd say 4 times on san pedro, the last time of which I drank 12 inches of a piece of tea off of a 20-30 year old san pedro.
The times before that I always would take younger ones (1-2 years old) and would take 10 inches of just the outer layer dark skin which i'd dry and put in capsules.
\so I think how old the cactus is could be a factor on potency, because the mescalin has more time to develop, younger cacti aren't very potent

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One time it was definitely not forgiving! And I don't want that to happen again.




was this set and setting induced?


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23966272 - 12/29/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A foot doesnt sound too bad. San pedro cacti is usually pretty mellow and it would take about 3 or so ft to trip hard from it.. 1 foot is usually my go to dose..


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: zZZz]
    #23966286 - 12/29/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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it would take about 3 or so ft to trip hard from it



3 of decent cactus would have me tripping for 20 hours


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23966327 - 12/29/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Also I'm having trouble cutting this big bastard. Without taking out the sawzall any tricks? Lol


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: zZZz]
    #23966334 - 12/29/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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zZZz said:
A foot doesnt sound too bad. San pedro cacti is usually pretty mellow and it would take about 3 or so ft to trip hard from it.. 1 foot is usually my go to dose..



Hahaha I think you are underestimating this particular piece. Usually I feel like it won't be enough. But this is some old dense hearty hefty weird sh!T and to be honest I'm only asking because truthfully this piece scares me a little.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23966658 - 12/29/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

OK so soup is on.
There's no better cure for what ails you!
I'm using a 24 quart pot. 4 gallons of cubed chunks and enough water to just cover the chunks. Also a bunch of lemons and oranges because why the hell not people!



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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23967618 - 12/30/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I usually blend the cactus up before boiling, feel like it gets out all the alkaloids better.
Looks like a good prep tho! I feel that a foot of that will have you loaded.
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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23967953 - 12/30/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Preperation looks good so far!

You have 4 feet of thick SanPedro, I guess that's more than enough for two trips.

I would boil all down to a few cups of liquid and then seperate into three or four equal parts.
This way you can start with one and check the overall potency. If one is too weak you can take more, like 2, or one and a half, next time.

Put the concentrated liquids in the freezer, it will keep potent for ages.

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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23967968 - 12/30/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm curious to see how much stress affected potency. That is a massive, beat up cactus.

Happy travels op!
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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23968058 - 12/30/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I usually blend the cactus up before boiling, feel like it gets out all the alkaloids better.
Looks like a good prep tho! I feel that a foot of that will have you loaded.
Happy tripping




I was exhausted last night and I was lazy so I just got it hot and let it simmer all night. This morning I scooped it all into the blender and ground it all up around 7am. Then headed off to work. Just got home and I'm about to strain off the first brew, then I will do a second at a higher heat but not a burning boil. Then I'll process it all together and boil down to a manageable quantity. Split it into 4 doses and see what I see...
I won't give a trip report because I hate explaining the weird sh!T my mind conjures up. But I'll give a heads up to potency, discomfort etc.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23968090 - 12/30/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)


Here's where I'm at with the first brew. About to strain and brew the second batch.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23968203 - 12/30/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Second batch stewing nicely. Here are some photos. I'll organize up the photos and call this a Tek as if I'm the first human to ever boil a cactus.



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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23968266 - 12/30/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

damn, i envy you.
I won't be able to do mescalin again until june
Except for the fact that you are going to have to drink that god awful brew:grin:
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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23968540 - 12/30/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hopefully it won't be too nasty to choke down.

Hopefully these aren't completely inactive specimen.

Hopefully I didn't somehow f9ck up the whole batch.

Don't get envious just yet. We have all had a good time blow up in our faces!



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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23968587 - 12/30/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone have an opinion on the boiling temperature?
I'm not asking the question of what temperature does water boil at, I'm asking how hot can I get this slimy green shit without burning off the active ingredients.

There's always been a bunch of back and forth, one time I burned the juice because the pot I had was a cheap piece of crap. It tasted so bad I threw it away.
Now I'm an adult! With better cookware!
How hot can I get this stuff?


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23968761 - 12/30/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

OK so I've got 100 ounces of ultra thick cactus snot!
I'm going to start with 24 ounces over an hour and a half or so. Wish me luck!



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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23968946 - 12/30/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Why do I always forget how bad it tastes? I would rather eat a dog turd off a burning tire while someone kicks me in the nads. Omfg. Why would i do this? Hahaha


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23969034 - 12/30/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's a bust. Like 2 hours in and nothing. If by some stroke of slut magic it kicks in I will let you know. Otherwise I'm chocking it up in the loss column and going for Thai food to make it a tie. Boom!


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23969564 - 12/30/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Does anyone have an opinion on the boiling temperature?






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It's a bust. Like 2 hours in and nothing. If by some stroke of slut magic it kicks in I will let you know. Otherwise I'm chocking it up in the loss column and going for Thai food to make it a tie. Boom!





People think you can process the shit out of a living cactus and the effect will be the same as eating the live plant. What a joke. Maximum effect will always be to just eat the plant. A lot of pachanoi is weak, even if yellow and old. Bridgesii is always good.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23969903 - 12/31/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Steveinshell said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the boiling temperature?






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It's a bust. Like 2 hours in and nothing. If by some stroke of slut magic it kicks in I will let you know. Otherwise I'm chocking it up in the loss column and going for Thai food to make it a tie. Boom!





People think you can process the shit out of a living cactus and the effect will be the same as eating the live plant. What a joke. Maximum effect will always be to just eat the plant. A lot of pachanoi is weak, even if yellow and old. Bridgesii is always good.




Oh man you're a genius thanks so much for swooping in way late in the game and pointing out the failure. Douchebag. You must be fun to hang around with.
On a side note how exactly should I have consumed the entire plant? Shove all 40 pounds of it up my ass? Bridgesii always works? So the countless times others have had fun with pachanoi are all lies?
Good times thanks for the heads up genius.
Maybe if you said any of this two days ago I wouldn't think you're a complete ass.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23969908 - 12/31/16 04:30 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Hey gRay Fox, would you like to point out that the Thai food gave me diarrhea now that I've eaten it? You know, wait until after I go there, order it, take it home, eat it, watch TV, go to sleep, wake up with horrible intestinal cramping. Would you like to tell me that all Thai food gives you diarrhea that's why you suggest Chinese food?
Do you see the similarity to your previous post?
You're the reason I waited for years before interacting on here. I just knew as soon as I posted anything. When all was said and done someone would come along with your intellect and reign your genius down upon me.
You're kind of a piece of crap. Thanks buddy.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23969932 - 12/31/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Hi Steveinshell. Kudos for taking us through all the steps of preparation. Good thread anyway. Guess its always a gamble and I can relate to how you feel ripped off. I've done it with T.cuzcoensis and thought afterwards why would I drink shit that tastes so bad to get no effect.

But next time who knows  you might get blasted. I stepped up my dosage after having weak ones and then when a good one came along it was so worthwhile.

There are good pachanoi around. In my limited experience I like their vibe because the one I tried end of November was much more up and speedy than bridgesii.

Hope you get a good one next and thanks for the thread.:heart:


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Heyowana]
    #23969991 - 12/31/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Steveinshell the cactus didnt work, but i can see that your estrogen kicked in real strong. Yeah next time just shove a big piece of cactus up your ass because thats how it works. And take a bunch of photos. And keep everyone posted on the progress.

Everything i said in my above post was completely accurate. Dont learn from it or appreciate it. You seem real good at that.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23970217 - 12/31/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

I've never done pachanoi , but bridgesii always does work for me, always a foot and a half to get a powerful trip , idk if youve tried bridgesii op but id give it a go if I were you,sorry to hear that the brew didn't work , have you ever tried IPA extraction or water extraction to dry tar?


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23970315 - 12/31/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Maximum effect will always be to just eat the plant. A lot of pachanoi is weak, even if yellow and old.



eating it simply isn't always practical, i'd say most people have a harder time eating it raw than drinking it, I mean the original san pedro shamans in peru made it into a tea, and i think they knew what they were doing.
Yeah the potency varies a lot with pachanoi, but i'd be suprised if op felt nothing at all from drinking that whole thing.
They say that mescalin is super heat resistant and can withstand any temperturebut to be on the safe side tho I would just let it simmer.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23970662 - 12/31/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Thanks for the input I'm going to keep an eye out for bridgesii not something I've come across often. One time I did and it was great. I've had pachanoi work great long long ago. Been years.

I definitely had some effects but absolutely not like a strong mescaline trip. Just elevated energy and according to gray fox my period started.

I have 3 cactus worth of nasty juice left. Maybe I reduce it and try it all at once. Maybe I flush it down the toilet.

Think I'm going to simmer all day and maybe try a triple dose tonight.


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: Steveinshell]
    #23970680 - 12/31/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Ipa extraction is where you dry the cactus grind into powder and mix it with 91 percent iso propyl alchohol in a glass mason jar and shake hardcore for like 2- 3 days then decant the dark green alchohol alcohol and evaporate that in a tray to yield a tar or basically a dry gunk ball and eat that sucker and trip balls


If you use the search engine on here you can find a actual detailed tek on it, its extremely simple


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    #23970721 - 12/31/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

That does seem like a very simple technique. Here I have been all these years drinking this nasty sh!T next time won't be far away so maybe I'll try this next time. I'll do research. Maybe going to try a/b extraction of some Peruvian torch.


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    #23970854 - 12/31/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Go for the triple dose! Or you could evap it all and get a tar or resin and eat that, much easier lol I've never drank the tea but the tar balls are insanely bitter so i could only imagine the taste of the tea , I've also tasted a fresh cactus star and it wasn't to bad but still really bitter,  acid base extraction will yield you a much purer product but not as simple as the alchohol extraction tek


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23971745 - 12/31/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

I'm curious how did this all play out?  What was your experience? How much did you take?


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    #23972360 - 01/01/17 05:42 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Triple the dose worked great.
Next time 6 feet and proper extraction would be great for two people.


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    #23972420 - 01/01/17 07:24 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Glad to hear it worked that time!! Sucks how variable mescaline can be compared to like a sheet of acid , It's such a toss up in the air on whether not itll be to strong or to weak


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Re: San Pedro. Beautiful specimen or piece of junk? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23972482 - 01/01/17 08:25 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Why are you dosing again, I know an expert like you is aware there will be tolerance issues after tripping only 1-2 days later...but you clearly don't want help.


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    #23972531 - 01/01/17 09:01 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Mandrin. Totally understand your concern I was pretty out of it and didn't explain myself. Next time will be in a month or so. I don't like to over do it with any hallucinogen it's never benefited be to stack up doses.
My first round did nothing, second round went amazing. Third round will be next time I have a free weekend which is super rare. Thanks though I hear you.


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