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MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT
#23966012 - 12/29/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Abstract Humanity is believed to have caused a mass extinction that is comparable to the mass extinction that occurred when the the dinosaurs went extinct[1], and according to the World Wide Fund for Nature global biodiversity has declined by approximately 30% since 1970[2]. Conversely, it can take many million years to increase the global biodiversity by 30% with the slow evolutionary processes that generate new species. Loss of biodiversity has been shown to negatively influence humanity in numerous of ways[3]. We believe that policies to reverse the decline in global biodiversity and thereby prevent an ecological disaster must be implemented globally in order to be effective. A new world government therefore seems to be required to deal with the ecological issues that threaten this planet.
Global wealth inequality is currently enormous, with 0.7% of the richest people in the world owning 45.6% of the world’s wealth, while 73.2% of the poorest people in the world own only 2.4% of the world’s wealth[4]. In the current multinational world, there is a competition among countries to have the lowest taxes, since lower taxes tends to attract businesses. Billionaires also often place their money in ”tax havens” to avoid paying taxes. Because of these loopholes, global wealth inequality continues to grow. With a new world government, we can implement the same progressive tax system everywhere. Then there will not be any opportunities for rich people to put their money in ”tax havens”, and countries will not be allowed to reduce their taxes for the rich to attract businesses. We might then progress towards a more egalitarian world economy.
Today superpowers are competing against each other to get the most advanced weapons. The nuclear weapons we have today can destroy civilization as we know it[5]. A new world government can order all the superpowers to get rid of their nuclear weapons, and make our civilization much safer. It can also set a limit for how large national armies can be, so that nations do not pose a threat to each other, and nations do not need to waste so much money on military expenses.
A new world government can also implement the same civil rights for all people in the world, and put an end to state-funded discrimination against women, homosexuals and ethnic minorities.
http://www.archania.org
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
#23966049 - 12/29/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There will not for eons ever be a one Government system for the world. Can't get people to get alone and decide who rules.
If the UN did a better job protecting people and organisms, there wouldn't be mass extinctions.
As for the wealth inequality. If people actually had control of their governing system they could appropriate funds however they wish.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Morel Guy]
#23967519 - 12/30/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look at the large scale monetary fraud and government frauds that are never exposed by so called "enemy nations" and you will find it's been a one world superpower for a minute
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Psychonott]
#23967674 - 12/30/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Inhofe Report Exposes Environmental Groups as ‘Massive Democratic Political Machines’
WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.), Ranking Member of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, today released an updated comprehensive investigation into the financial and political activities employed by charitable and environmental organizations claiming to be non-partisan. [See today’s updated full report: Political Activity of Environmental Groups and their Supporting Foundations - Previously in 2004 Senator Inhofe released the original report on environmental group funding. See: INHOFE RELEASES DETAILED REPORT ON ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP POLITICAL FUNDRAISING – October 5, 2004]
“Campaigns to ‘save the cuddly animals’ or ‘protect the ancient forests’ are really disguised efforts to raise money for Democratic political campaigns,” Senator Inhofe said during a floor speech today presenting the new report. “Environmental organizations have become experts at duplicitous activity, skirting laws up to the edge of illegality, and burying their political activities under the guise of non-profit environmental improvement.
“Take this ad for example, displayed on the League of Conservation Voters, or LCV, website. This is LCV’s standard text used to raise money for the nonprofit organization. In turn, LCV takes these donations, given to ‘save the environment’ and uses them to fund ads for Democratic Candidates such as Ben Lujan from New Mexico. LCV, similar to other groups I’ll highlight later, disguises itself as an environmental group dedicated to saving the environment, yet, as shown by this political ad, it is simply an extension of the Democratic political party.
“What we find now is the fleecing of the American public's pocketbooks by the environmental movement for their political gain. We also find exhausting litigation, instigation of false claims, misleading science, and scare tactics to fool Americans into believing disastrous environmental scenarios that are untrue. Especially in this election year, the American voter should see these groups and their many affiliate organizations as they are: the newest insidious conspiracy of political action committees and perhaps the newest multi-million dollar manipulation of federal election laws.
“As an American citizen concerned about our environment and our country, I’m dismayed and saddened by this deception. If these groups actually used the hundreds of millions of dollars they raise for actual environmental improvement, just think how many whales and forests we could save. These wolves should be seen for what they really are: massive democratic political machines, disguised as environmental causes.”
http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/ind...8-ACE55E0CC516
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Luddite]
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Luddite]
#23967688 - 12/30/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by Peteyboy (12/30/16 10:11 AM)
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23967709 - 12/30/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Uber centralized government always looks good from a distance ... but my experience is that the more local you can keep decision making, the better.
When you have one group making major decisions for 7 billion people divided into God only knows how many sub divisions ... getting that to actually WORK is one heckuva problem.
For instance, does a one world government determine which religions are acceptable and which aren't? Which regions where drugs and alcohol are legal and which where they aren't?
How about infrastructure development? Do they determine which regions of the world are those that make financial sacrifice for themselves and future generations so the poorer regions can catch up?
That's hard stuff to figure out and manage.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23967825 - 12/30/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes a One World Government would control all of that and more...the framework is already set up, the UN has the entire globe split up into regions and mega regions...this is all apart of agenda 21 and sustainable development.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23967880 - 12/30/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: Yes a One World Government would control all of that and more...the framework is already set up, the UN has the entire globe split up into regions and mega regions...this is all apart of agenda 21 and sustainable development.
Plans for global domination have been drawn up literally since Alexander and then the Romans.
It's executing them that's hard.
There was a time in my life I thought that there really was a coordinated uber government counsel out there carefully orchestrating the management of this planet. Then, I realized that they would have the same problems all government has ... and, as such, they can't keep up with change, adapt, keep all the necessary great people committed to their plan, promise enough people enough stuff, etc.
So we have what we've always had ... a free for all to grab as much as you can as fast as you can for as long as you can ... knowing that the laws of chaos will tear it up sooner than you think.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23967915 - 12/30/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see your point and it's valid...BUT we are now in a different age of technology allowing for a super surveillance state or a "technocracy" which would allow a government control of all activities. Then consider the push to put all of an individuals personal, medical, and financial information onto a chip. The push to abolish cash, and force us into the digital economy.
You take away the individuals capability of free movement and cash based abilities by shutting off their chip....that individual is dead in the water...
We are not far away from these capabilities
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23968104 - 12/30/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: I see your point and it's valid...BUT we are now in a different age of technology allowing for a super surveillance state or a "technocracy" which would allow a government control of all activities. Then consider the push to put all of an individuals personal, medical, and financial information onto a chip. The push to abolish cash, and force us into the digital economy.
You take away the individuals capability of free movement and cash based abilities by shutting off their chip....that individual is dead in the water...
We are not far away from these capabilities
Or, I could say we are in an era where technology makes secrets nearly impossible, where leaders and their lies are found faster and made more visible than at any time in history ... where technology disrupts everything ... where government can't control like they could in Roman times or when J. Edgar Hoover had paper files on everyone of consequence in the nation.
Government moves slow and attracts lower quality people than the competing private sector.
Technology is DESTROYING government control, not the other way around. The chaotic destruction of traditional lines of power by rapidly re constructing technology networks is, on one level our greatest hope and another level, holds the addictive potential to turn us all into screen watching, comfortably numbe zombies.
Still, I'd rather live today than under Roman Imperial rule, that's for sure.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23968120 - 12/30/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree and you have many valid points...which I think the ruling class recognizes, this is why we are seeing an all out assault on the first amendment and free media, and the push for control over what information is disseminated via the internet. The war on "fake news"...this will be used to label and source of information that is in contrast to the "official" story as fake news and will be shut down.
If they can shut down independent media (the only truth tellers) then they can use this technology to their advantage. Look at how the Chinese regulate their Internet and use it for the communist governments control. This is the same model of censorship the UN wants to enact on the Internet as a whole, which now they can do since Obama handed over control of the Internet to the UN.
You are correct it is a two edged sword, but if they can dull one side enough that sword will only cut one way...
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy]
#23968132 - 12/30/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How did Obama hand control of the internet to the UN?
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23968135 - 12/30/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: I agree and you have many valid points...which I think the ruling class recognizes, this is why we are seeing an all out assault on the first amendment and free media, and the push for control over what information is disseminated via the internet. The war on "fake news"...this will be used to label and source of information that is in contrast to the "official" story as fake news and will be shut down.
If they can shut down independent media (the only truth tellers) then they can use this technology to their advantage. Look at how the Chinese regulate their Internet and use it for the communist governments control. This is the same model of censorship the UN wants to enact on the Internet as a whole, which now they can do since Obama handed over control of the Internet to the UN.
You are correct it is a two edged sword, but if they can dull one side enough that sword will only cut one way...
P - The question I have is WHO organizes this "ruling elite" crowd everyone talks about? I think they're HYPER competitive with one another and willing to cut one another's throat to get their business. The companies that own most of the shares of these giant global multi-nationals tend to be mutual fund and ETF type companies that have EXTREMELY de-centralized management and voting on shares / proxies, etc. The Capital Group for instance, #2 in the global share ownership category, probably has 500 portfolio managers all making individual decisions on stocks, voting, etc.
I just don't think that it's nearly as coordinated at the top as people suggest. I think there are areas that are coordinated but the guys at the top ARE NOT on the same page. I just don't see a ruling consel that coordinates it all ... I see a bunch of wealthy people that exploit opportunities and are constantly competing with one another.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23968160 - 12/30/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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At the top of the hierarchy is the Royal English Family...under that is what you speak of...they are called the "crown council of 13" the richest families in the world also some are blood relatives of the Royal English Family (guys like Soros are on this level)...below that the "committee of 300" Also what you speak of...this is your giant multinational corporations...
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Enlil]
#23968163 - 12/30/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: How did Obama hand control of the internet to the UN?
It was all over the news... http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/icann-control-un/
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23968166 - 12/30/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's what you're talking about? That's hardly "control of the internet." That's just management of the DNS system so that the world can have a registry that makes some sense. The UN has literally zero control over the CONTENT of the internet, which is what you were talking about in terms of censorship.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23968168 - 12/30/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: At the top of the hierarchy is the Royal English Family...under that is what you speak of...they are called the "crown council of 13" the richest families in the world also some are blood relatives of the Royal English Family (guys like Soros are on this level)...below that the "committee of 300" Also what you speak of...this is your giant multinational corporations...
So how exactly does the Royal English Family control how our Congress votes ... or some new technology innovation at Tesla or Apple or Google that is changing the world?
So whey you're brought into the Committee of 300 do you swear some kind of allegiance to a hierarchy of authority? What do you get in return? A promise of immortal incarnation preference? Seriously, what do you offer a guy like Gates or Jobs or Buffet when they already have it all?
I get that all these wealthy people find forums to get together, network, share ideas etc. I mean we all do that in the classes we operate in ... but some kind of uber coordinated allegiance to a global reporting structure ... I just don't see it.
I think, like nature, man is far more chaotic, not nearly as organized as one would think and EXTREMELY predatory for turf at the top. Unless there's some kind of super race at the top, an evolved human group under the radar controlling it all, I have an incredibly hard time believing the Royal Family is smart enough to control the planet. They seem like buffoons.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23968208 - 12/30/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I completely agree they are a bunch of bafoons hahaha! But have you studied the hierarchy and methods of influence of Illuminati and New World Order?
As for the new technology point...they don't control innovation but they do hijack it. The three people you listed are all Bilderbergers, they all meet up coordinate and plan, adapting their agenda to the new variables.
Gates, and Jobs are eugenists, they want population control, they believe in agenda 21 and in the illuminati/NWO...I dont know enough about buffet but it wouldn't surprise me to see him affiliated.
The Royal Family definitely views themselves as some kind of super race
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23968241 - 12/30/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: I completely agree they are a bunch of bafoons hahaha! But have you studied the hierarchy and methods of influence of Illuminati and New World Order?
As for the new technology point...they don't control innovation but they do hijack it. The three people you listed are all Bilderbergers, they all meet up coordinate and plan, adapting their agenda to the new variables.
Gates, and Jobs are eugenists, they want population control, they believe in agenda 21 and in the illuminati/NWO...I dont know enough about buffet but it wouldn't surprise me to see him affiliated.
The Royal Family definitely views themselves as some kind of super race
I went through about a 5 year period of serious deep diving into all that stuff .. Illuminati, Bilderbergers ... Counsel of 300, Bohemian Grove ... Templars ... Christ's genealogy ... all of it...
I came out the other side believing that these guys at the top suffer from all the problems all other organizations do ... finding and keeping good people ... turf wars ... power struggles, leaking of info, inability to keep that cats herded, etc. The only possible way there's some kind of uber control is if there truly is a master race, far advanced technologically and mentally, maybe a breakaway group of humans that have been in control for thousands of years, that simply have control of incarnation, and can hijack who is born into which families.
Without that, I think the belief that there's an uber government is sketchy. The British Royal family at the top is kinda laughable to me. They're inept and suffer from generations of inbreeding ... not a lot of wattage in that lineage.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23968276 - 12/30/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok cool! So you are well informed! That's awesome!
I do see your point. But I don't think it's a super race myself, I think it is the biblical battle of good and evil manifesting itself just as the Holy Bible says it will.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23968338 - 12/30/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: I completely agree they are a bunch of bafoons hahaha! But have you studied the hierarchy and methods of influence of Illuminati and New World Order?
As for the new technology point...they don't control innovation but they do hijack it. The three people you listed are all Bilderbergers, they all meet up coordinate and plan, adapting their agenda to the new variables.
Gates, and Jobs are eugenists, they want population control, they believe in agenda 21 and in the illuminati/NWO...I dont know enough about buffet but it wouldn't surprise me to see him affiliated.
The Royal Family definitely views themselves as some kind of super race
I went through about a 5 year period of serious deep diving into all that stuff .. Illuminati, Bilderbergers ... Counsel of 300, Bohemian Grove ... Templars ... Christ's genealogy ... all of it...
I came out the other side believing that these guys at the top suffer from all the problems all other organizations do ... finding and keeping good people ... turf wars ... power struggles, leaking of info, inability to keep that cats herded, etc. The only possible way there's some kind of uber control is if there truly is a master race, far advanced technologically and mentally, maybe a breakaway group of humans that have been in control for thousands of years, that simply have control of incarnation, and can hijack who is born into which families.
Without that, I think the belief that there's an uber government is sketchy. The British Royal family at the top is kinda laughable to me. They're inept and suffer from generations of inbreeding ... not a lot of wattage in that lineage.
That's totally right. Those at the top are just as fallible and human as the rest of us. Humans are not competent enough to pull off a major, dastardly conspiracy worth a shit. Everything is too chaotic and unpredictable. There are common interests influencing things to try to maintain the status quo as much as possible, but it isn't fancy. It's stupid to blame everything on the rich, anyway. It's on all of us. The top didn't elect Trump, for example.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy]
#23968365 - 12/30/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: Ok cool! So you are well informed! That's awesome!
I do see your point. But I don't think it's a super race myself, I think it is the biblical battle of good and evil manifesting itself just as the Holy Bible says it will.
If you read Genesis, the bible is very clear that there are super races on this planet and there is a battle between them. Satan is/was an advanced being that came to earth and many others came too ... Angels ... demons ... these are super advanced races/beings according to the bible, aren't they?
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23968369 - 12/30/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No the top definitely didn't elect Trump. The American people did including myself and I'm proud of what he's done so far. Just look at how the "status quo" elite have been freaking out.
I'm not blaming "everything" on the "rich", that's far too much generalization.
I am blaming the problems that social engineering has caused on those that have been making the decisions to take the cicilised western societies in the direction that they have chosen. Those people just happen to also be "rich"
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23968372 - 12/30/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's totally right. Those at the top are just as fallible and human as the rest of us. Humans are not competent enough to pull off a major, dastardly conspiracy worth a shit. Everything is too chaotic and unpredictable. There are common interests influencing things to try to maintain the status quo as much as possible, but it isn't fancy. It's stupid to blame everything on the rich, anyway. It's on all of us. The top didn't elect Trump, for example.
Couldn't agree more ... however, there are some super smart sub groups that collude for a time in the pursuit of self interest and then dissolve or suffer from just loss of effectiveness through family generations ... money moves, reforms ... new alliances ... power struggles ...
I think we reflect nature. It's survival of the fittest but we compete on a more intellect oriented level. Cream rises to the top but power structure do try to stop that and protect their turf ... in the end, though ... the smart beat out the rest.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy]
#23968384 - 12/30/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peteyboy said: No the top definitely didn't elect Trump. The American people did including myself and I'm proud of what he's done so far. Just look at how the "status quo" elite have been freaking out.
I'm not blaming "everything" on the "rich", that's far too much generalization.
I am blaming the problems that social engineering has caused on those that have been making the decisions to take the cicilised western societies in the direction that they have chosen. Those people just happen to also be "rich"
The rich on this planet have ALWAYS wanted a dependent servant class ... that's critical to their wealth generation. They DON'T want equality because that reduces their power. But that's not a conspiracy, it's just the way we are ... Animals, for the most part, don't "share power" as there are leaders and subservient ... why would we be any different?
Trump, IMHO, is a con man, marketing genius kind of person that appeals to a pretty big group that doesn't trust government or most institutions anymore. Will Trump deliver on his promises? We'll see. And, let's not forget, HIllary was probably the worst candidate in history so that's a big reason why he won.
Politicians have been making excuses for the poor, unmotivated and violent for far too long in search of votes and it has come full circle. Trump is kind of seen as the "you're fired" guy that's bringing a day of reckoning.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Morel Guy]
#23968538 - 12/30/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: If the UN did a better job protecting people and organisms, there wouldn't be mass extinctions.
The UN doesn't have any power over the multinational world we live in. National leaders are not subordinate to the UN and do whatever they want.
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Morel Guy said: As for the wealth inequality. If people actually had control of their governing system they could appropriate funds however they wish.
Since lower taxes attract businesses and rich people, there is a competition among countries to have the lowest taxes. If countries put too high taxes on the rich people, the rich people just move to other countries which have less taxes for the rich people.
Yeah.. the multinational world is really benefiting you ordinary working people. Nope. Sorry. It is benefiting the super rich people.
A world government that implemented the same taxes everywhere on the planet, would be a nightmare for the super rich people.
But of course. You ordinary working people, are super eager to protect the power structure of the super rich people.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
#23968545 - 12/30/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zanthius said:
The UN doesn't have any power over the multinational world we live in. National leaders are not subordinate to the UN and do whatever they want.
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This is true. What the UN does have is International Law and there is some impact on that with sanctions, economic restrictions, access to capital, etc.
For the most part, though, the UN is just a big microphone that gives leaders a stage to make big speeches at that have more impact at home as they throw some elbows at the international community than any real impact. It's a stage for them to show their own country they're relevant when, in fact, they have very little global power.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23968948 - 12/30/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No one is manning the ship, the higher up you go the more empty it gets.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23970240 - 12/31/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: No one is manning the ship, the higher up you go the more empty it gets.
My take is there are a lot of "ships" at the top ... not just one. And those ships are not on the same page at all. To us, it might appear there is more cooperation at the top than there truly is.
The notion that a "ruling family" could keep it together century after century with the natural degrading of skills and motivation and desire from one generation to the next is, at least to me, very unrealistic.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23970289 - 12/31/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: No one is manning the ship, the higher up you go the more empty it gets.
My take is there are a lot of "ships" at the top ... not just one. And those ships are not on the same page at all. To us, it might appear there is more cooperation at the top than there truly is.
The notion that a "ruling family" could keep it together century after century with the natural degrading of skills and motivation and desire from one generation to the next is, at least to me, very unrealistic.
But why wouldn't you want to have a democratically elected world leader, instead of multiple super rich families that haven't been democratically elected?
Today, with so much of the world population online, it wouldn't necessarily be an impossibility for people to vote online for a world leader. Especially with biometric identification (fingerprint and iris scanners) to prevent cheating.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
#23970304 - 12/31/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: No one is manning the ship, the higher up you go the more empty it gets.
My take is there are a lot of "ships" at the top ... not just one. And those ships are not on the same page at all. To us, it might appear there is more cooperation at the top than there truly is.
The notion that a "ruling family" could keep it together century after century with the natural degrading of skills and motivation and desire from one generation to the next is, at least to me, very unrealistic.
But why wouldn't you want to have a democratically elected world leader, instead of multiple super rich families that haven't been democratically elected?
Today, with so much of the world population online, it wouldn't necessarily be an impossibility for people to vote online for a world leader. Especially with biometric identification (fingerprint and iris scanners) to prevent cheating.
World leader as in one person has control of the global military? I don't like that idea at all. I'd like to see something more like global CRITERIA to be leaders of nation states so that we can weed out the corrupt, violent, psychopathic leaders before they ever get into power.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23970313 - 12/31/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: World leader as in one person has control of the global military?
Ehhh.. You realize that if there is one world leader, we don't necessarily need ANY military, just police. Who would be the enemy? Aliens from Mars?
It is much more dangerous to have multiple superpowers that are competing to get the most dangerous nuclear weapons. The reason why the US has so much military is because of Russia and China. The reason why Russia has so much military is because of the US and China. The reason why China has so much military is because of US and Russia. We have a lot of super dangerous nuclear weapons today, because we don't have a world government. Nuclear weapons wouldn't make any sense for a world government. Why would the police need nuclear weapons?
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
#23970328 - 12/31/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: World leader as in one person has control of the global military?
Ehhh.. You realize that if there is one world leader, we don't necessarily need ANY military, just police. Who would be the enemy? Aliens from Mars?
It is much more dangerous to have multiple superpowers that are competing to get the most dangerous nuclear weapons. The reason why the US has so much military is because of Russia and China. The reason why Russia has so much military is because of the US and China. The reason why China has so much military is because of US and Russia. We have a lot of super dangerous nuclear weapons today, because we don't have a world government. Nuclear weapons wouldn't make any sense for a world government. Why would the police need nuclear weapons?
Not trying to be a dick here, but do you really thing all the humans on this planet, all the highly motivated "I want to be the leader" type psychopaths we have are simply going to submit to a global government?
Call it military or police, either way, you're going to have to fight those people and groups into submission. It ain't gonna be a cum by ya gathering when a global leader is selected. There will be dozens if not hundreds of groups organizing to overthrow it on day one.
I don't think we are mentally built to prefer ultra centralized government. We prefer authority closer to home.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23970341 - 12/31/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Call it military or police, either way, you're going to have to fight those people and groups into submission. It ain't gonna be a cum by ya gathering when a global leader is selected. There will be dozens if not hundreds of groups organizing to overthrow it on day one.
Sure, but that will be a job for the police. Not the military. And if the world government focuses a lot on civil rights. No taxes for the poor. And gives people a lot of autonomy people might not be so much opposed to it.
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KauaiOrca said: I don't think we are mentally built to prefer ultra centralized government. We prefer authority closer to home.
Yeah, but not everything has to be decided by the world government. Just basic rules about taxes, civil rights, pollution and such.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
#23970365 - 12/31/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Call it military or police, either way, you're going to have to fight those people and groups into submission. It ain't gonna be a cum by ya gathering when a global leader is selected. There will be dozens if not hundreds of groups organizing to overthrow it on day one.
Sure, but that will be a job for the police. Not the military. And if the world government focuses a lot on civil rights. No taxes for the poor. And gives people a lot of autonomy people might not be so much opposed to it.
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KauaiOrca said: I don't think we are mentally built to prefer ultra centralized government. We prefer authority closer to home.
Yeah, but not everything has to be decided by the world government. Just basic rules about taxes, civil rights, pollution and such.
Why would you think that global government would somehow have better leaders than we have now in more national / local government? How the heck would we globally elect someone that doesn't even speak our language? Think for a moment about the logistics of this.
What kind of infrastructure would you need in place to enable people in Venezuela, Uganda, Tahiti, the US, Croatia, Korea and Somalia to all vote equally? Seriously, that's a huge problem.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23970374 - 12/31/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Why would you think that global government would somehow have better leaders than we have now in more national / local government? How the heck would we globally elect someone that doesn't even speak our language? Think for a moment about the logistics of this.
Did you read the manuscript i posted in the first post in this thread? archania.org
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
#23970389 - 12/31/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Why would you think that global government would somehow have better leaders than we have now in more national / local government? How the heck would we globally elect someone that doesn't even speak our language? Think for a moment about the logistics of this.
Did you read the manuscript i posted in the first post in this thread? archania.org
I did.
How do you stop the highly motivated psychopathic leaders that simply will not stop until they're in charge? That's the fly in the ointment. Often, the most motivated and innovative when it comes to getting into power are more interested in themselves than building a better planet.
The wealth class today could get together tomorrow and decide to fix this planet ...
But by and large, they don't. They spend more time thinking about how to get their next 10 billion than how to solve the problems of education and poverty. They lobby for easing of labor laws so they can tap into near slave labor across the globe.
Humans are predatory and successful humans are VERY predatory. How do you deal with that?
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23970429 - 12/31/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: I did.
How do you stop the highly motivated psychopathic leaders that simply will not stop until they're in charge? That's the fly in the ointment. Often, the most motivated and innovative when it comes to getting into power are more interested in themselves than building a better planet.
I wrote a lot about these things in chapter 4. I am not saying I have a solution, but I would rather get criticism to what I wrote there, so that I can improve it.
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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
#23970438 - 12/31/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: I did.
How do you stop the highly motivated psychopathic leaders that simply will not stop until they're in charge? That's the fly in the ointment. Often, the most motivated and innovative when it comes to getting into power are more interested in themselves than building a better planet.
I wrote a lot about these things in chapter 4. I am not saying I have a solution, but I would rather get criticism to what I wrote there, so that I can improve it.
I think a HUGE step forward for us globally would be some kind of testing for people seeking senior leadership positions at large corporations and governments. Objective information on their leaderships skills, IQ, EQ, knowledge of global events, attitudes toward God, science. What they have read. What their vision for local, national and global success is.
I think they should have to go through extensive testing first before being eligible to get into these high leadership roles ... all that data on them would become public knowledge.
That's a first step toward some of the very appealing changes you write about.
We are most restricted by the quality of leaders we are selecting. Until that changes, I see little hope that your vision will be realized.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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