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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: koods]
    #24215158 - 04/03/17 12:04 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

It starts with the administration and congress.  They give the thumbs up or down, go or no go.

All the other stuff is years and years of study.  Then yes even the enlisted play a roll in how things are carried out.  They make the final decisions and carry out the operations.

Sure it might be an officer that makes calls.  But only so much as the enlisted make smart choices with what they were given.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24215185 - 04/03/17 12:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd hate to see what the Military will be under Trump. 

Face it though.  They have always used the bottom of society.  They used to have an option for either prison or the military.  The draft scraped the crust from the bottom as well.



I think there's a wide range of how smart soldiers are.  But enlisted people don't make strategic decisions for the military, so it seems like a pointless argument.




Seems about right, Wars are fought from offices in Washington, not the front lines, sad


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #24215202 - 04/03/17 12:27 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Wars are fought on TV.  Public support is just about everything without a dictactorship.  Even dicators manipluate public opinion and the war fighters attitude.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24215207 - 04/03/17 12:28 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Public support has got to be about the dumbest way to run a war

Thanks mainstream media


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #24215217 - 04/03/17 12:31 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

It's absolutely necessary.

You need fighters
Gotta avoid a coup or have one
Still require an economy and trade even have allies
Gotta believe you are supperior and morally correct and have others convinced


Same shit goes down for law enforcement


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #24215225 - 04/03/17 12:34 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd hate to see what the Military will be under Trump. 

Face it though.  They have always used the bottom of society.  They used to have an option for either prison or the military.  The draft scraped the crust from the bottom as well.



I think there's a wide range of how smart soldiers are.  But enlisted people don't make strategic decisions for the military, so it seems like a pointless argument.




Seems about right, Wars are fought from offices in Washington, not the front lines, sad




Of course.  War effort is determined by policy.
Are you saying that you think policy should be subservient to war?


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #24215236 - 04/03/17 12:37 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Public support has got to be about the dumbest way to run a war

Thanks mainstream media




Public support is necessary for any war effort.
Even a Frederick or Napoleon is dependent upon public support for the maintenance of his armies.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24215270 - 04/03/17 12:49 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Public support has got to be about the dumbest way to run a war

Thanks mainstream media




Public support is necessary for any war effort.
Even a Frederick or Napoleon is dependent upon public support for the maintenance of his armies.




Exactly, so when a media is determined to undermine a war effort, the only reasonable expectation is to lose the war.

Who the fuck fights war like that?


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #24215275 - 04/03/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

That is not the point but kt could be.

The main fact is media goes after ratings and that tends to reflect the publics opinion.  If the public dowan't want the war, neither will the free media.  State media is different.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24215301 - 04/03/17 12:59 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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That is not the point but kt could be.

The main fact is media goes after ratings and that tends to reflect the publics opinion.  If the public dowan't want the war, neither will the free media.  State media is different.




BS, have you not been paying attention? Media loves to shape public opinion to fall in line with their ideology, or are you still one of those "journalists are objective" holdouts?


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #24215324 - 04/03/17 01:08 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, trump is a competent, not mentally ill president, it's just the media shaping my impression of him:

Get a clue: you can tell he's a mental midget from his twitter feed alone.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #24215353 - 04/03/17 01:21 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe FOX news does that more.  But society has its opinions and society is the media.  Authors and editors will always put their opinion into their audience.  Prodcastrrs do this as well.  Bit sorry there ks no media donspiracy to misinform,and brainwash.  Aside fom FOX news and other conservatives.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #24215471 - 04/03/17 02:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Public support has got to be about the dumbest way to run a war

Thanks mainstream media




Public support is necessary for any war effort.
Even a Frederick or Napoleon is dependent upon public support for the maintenance of his armies.




Exactly, so when a media is determined to undermine a war effort, the only reasonable expectation is to lose the war.

Who the fuck fights war like that?




The U.S. has always had to overcome this issue.
The public is reluctant to engage in foreign wars here, which is why a smoking gun and outwardly altruistic motives are almost always necessary.

USS Maine
Lusitania
Pearl Harbor
United Nations Security Council Resolution 83
Gulf of Tonkin incident
Invasion of Kuwait
Ethnic Cleansing
Al-Qaeda  Training Camps
Weapons of Mass Destruction

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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24215479 - 04/03/17 02:21 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Gotta get people blood thirsty and excited.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24215504 - 04/03/17 02:28 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

right.  most people just want to be left in peace, so a seemingly good reason is necessary to motivate folks to go to war.

in absence of that, one should expect significant public opposition to war.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: koods]
    #24215557 - 04/03/17 02:48 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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No, people like Michael Flynn do, which is even scarier.



It is scary that a military general thought we might achieve peace with Russia.  Good thing the liberals are on him.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24215574 - 04/03/17 02:56 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Seems about right, Wars are fought from offices in Washington, not the front lines, sad




Of course.  War effort is determined by policy.
Are you saying that you think policy should be subservient to war?




we never heard back from you on this one, HU.
What say you? Should policy dictate war, or should war rule over policy?


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24215577 - 04/03/17 02:58 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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No, people like Michael Flynn do, which is even scarier.



It is scary that a military general thought we might achieve peace with Russia.  Good thing the liberals are on him.




How's that working out?

U.S.-Russia Relations Are 'Worse' Than During the Cold War, Kremlin Spokesman Says


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24215584 - 04/03/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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No, people like Michael Flynn do, which is even scarier.



It is scary that a military general thought we might achieve peace with Russia.  Good thing the liberals are on him.




I don't get why people have a hard time the idea that you can not care for someone (or nation as it were) and still coexist peacefully.

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Peace through stalemate, based on a coincident recognition by each side of the opponent's strength, is at least preferable to peace through common exhaustion-- and has often provided a better foundation for lasting peace.




In other words, if everyone just relaxes for a bit, and starts buying and selling shit to each other more, there may be less reason for hostilities in the future.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: koods]
    #24215597 - 04/03/17 03:06 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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It is scary that a military general thought we might achieve peace with Russia.  Good thing the liberals are on him.




How's that working out?

U.S.-Russia Relations Are 'Worse' Than During the Cold War, Kremlin Spokesman Says



According to your articles, the liberals are doing a pretty good job.  But also according to your article, Russia is still hoping to improve our relationship.

Maybe people like you can keep up your good work and force us to pay for another cold war.


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