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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #23983006 - 01/05/17 03:00 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Since Korea there have been wars impossible to win.  To really win there needs to be political victory.  The US doesn't exterminate people based on politics or ethnicity.  That's probably the easiest way to win, extermination.  They seem to have difficult winning peoples minds with western culture.  It's like trying to get every Amish (if they were armed and violent) to jump the fence.  It's improbably that's going to occur.  Shit, they can't even win over cultures in America!




I guess my point is that the "winning over hearts and minds" isnt really our strategy, or goal. We just pretend it is because thats the only way to keep Western civilians on the military's side.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23983037 - 01/05/17 03:29 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

It's kinda pointless to wage war of hearts and minds.  Seems other cultures are perfectly content living in dark ages.  Of course different life styles vary from parts of the world.  They also block people from being able to read western media.  So it's hard to infiltrate their state run news agencies.

As much as we bitch about our media in the states.  It's gotta be far worse to never have a chance in a Government controlled land.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #23984126 - 01/05/17 02:53 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Good points.

But I believe the culture is only one piece of the reason for the dark age existence. The nations furthest from the dark ages in the Middle East are the ones the farthest from war and regime change.

I think the commonly held mentality that the Muslims made their beds by themselves, so they should sleep in it (and not mind when we belt them with pillows and rip up their sheets from time to time) is a big reason why Western interventions in the region get an apathetic response from the average Westerner.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23988209 - 01/06/17 11:47 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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i think that perhaps you completely misunderstood the point of my post.

I was using chechnya as a placeholder for any prolonged insurgency, or revolt, or pacification, or whatever.

If history has taught us anything, it is that is extremely expensive, difficult, and eventually exhausting to hold territory that doesn't want to be held.  It can be done, for various lengths of time, but too much resistance, for too long, over too large an area leads to an inevitable collapse. 

This brings me to my original point, which is that Russia isn't going to try to recapture a bunch of former soviet states overtly any time in the near future because it would lead to several prolonged insurgencies that Moscow can ill-afford, or conversely, that if such an attempt were made, it would be to the U.S. advantage in a hypothetical Russia vs. The West scenario. 

Hence:
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maybe we'll get lucky and putin will annex a few more former soviet states.  russia can't handle 3 or 4 more chechnyas with a syria to boot; they're almost broke already.  Then again,  if Russia collapses from strategic overreach, there will inevitably be a period of some lessened oversight over her nuclear arsenal which is dangerous for everyone.








They completely won in Chechnya through and the Russian state is as strong today as it has ever been. Russian power in Caucasus is at an all time high outside of Georgia.


I guess I did misinterpret your original intention however


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23988211 - 01/06/17 11:49 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Good points.

But I believe the culture is only one piece of the reason for the dark age existence. The nations furthest from the dark ages in the Middle East are the ones the farthest from war and regime change.

I think the commonly held mentality that the Muslims made their beds by themselves, so they should sleep in it (and not mind when we belt them with pillows and rip up their sheets from time to time) is a big reason why Western interventions in the region get an apathetic response from the average Westerner.






I tend to not be the most pro Islamic poster, but I don't know if I believe those in the ME made their bed and now they must rest in it.

Colonialism is still a dominant force in the world and that region in particular


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #23989754 - 01/07/17 02:53 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)



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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: sweeper54] * 3
    #23990549 - 01/07/17 07:16 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Lol

When liberals bitch about bush and his WMD shit then obama is literally just black bush replace WMD with "Russia"


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #23990592 - 01/07/17 07:28 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Lol

When liberals bitch about bush and his WMD shit then obama is literally just black bush replace WMD with "Russia"




https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/25/barackobama1
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Barack Obama often makes a joke in his campaign speeches about a genealogical survey last year that found he is a distant cousin of Dick Cheney. Now there is double bad news for Obama: a new survey out today found he is related to George Bush as well.

Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, said Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six US presidents his cousins: both Bushes, Ford, Johnson, Truman and James Madison.

The genealogical society, a non-profit organisation, found he is also related to Churchill.




Now you and i might not keep track of our distant relatives like 8th and 11th cousins...but royals and nobles do, if you catch my drift.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: sweeper54] * 2
    #23991261 - 01/07/17 11:01 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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So in other words (as elax420 already noted), there is no evidence of Russia doing anything wrong, just the establishment basically making the statement "I'll bet the Russians did it!" and hoping Americans believe it WITHOUT proof.  :shrug:


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23991497 - 01/08/17 01:48 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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ballsalsa said:
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elax420 said:
Lol

When liberals bitch about bush and his WMD shit then obama is literally just black bush replace WMD with "Russia"




https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/25/barackobama1
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Barack Obama often makes a joke in his campaign speeches about a genealogical survey last year that found he is a distant cousin of Dick Cheney. Now there is double bad news for Obama: a new survey out today found he is related to George Bush as well.

Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, said Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six US presidents his cousins: both Bushes, Ford, Johnson, Truman and James Madison.

The genealogical society, a non-profit organisation, found he is also related to Churchill.




Now you and i might not keep track of our distant relatives like 8th and 11th cousins...but royals and nobles do, if you catch my drift.





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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #23991546 - 01/08/17 02:50 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Some of these are quite distant, but still...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/07/obama-cousins-senate-family-tree
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Lamar Alexander (R-Tennessee) is Obama’s 14th cousin, thrice removed
Kelly Ayotte (R-New Hampshire) is Obama’s second cousin nine times removed’s husband’s third great nephew’s wife’s great niece’s husband’s first cousin twice removed’s second cousin’s wife
Mark Begich (D-Alaska) is Obama’s 11th cousin, once removed
Michael Bennet (D-Colorado) is Obama’s 13th cousin, twice removed
Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut) is Obama’s wife’s second cousin five times removed’s wife’s second cousin five times removed’s husband’s second cousin’s husband’s brother
Roy Blunt (R-Missouri) is Obama’s third cousin seven times removed’s wife’s first cousin, five times removed
Barbara Boxer (D-California) is Obama’s sixth cousin four times removed’s husband’s grandson’s ex-wife’s mother
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) is Obama’s fourth cousin four times removed’s husband’s sister’s husband’s aunt’s husband’s second great nephew
Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland) is Obama’s ninth great aunt’s sister’s husband’s wife’s 9th great grandson’s wife’s uncle’s wife’s first cousin once removed’s husband’s nephew
Thomas Carper (D-Delaware) is Obama’s 17th cousin, twice removed
Robert Casey (D-PA) is Obama’s 17th cousin, once removed
Daniel Coates (R-Indiana) is Obama’s 11th cousin, thrice removed
Tom Coburn (R-Oklahoma) is Obama’s 15th cousin, once removed
Thad Cochran (Mississippi) is Obama’s 12th cousin, once removed
Michael Crapo (R-Idaho) Obama’s 16th cousin, once removed
Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is Obama’s 14th cousin once removed’s husband
Richard Durbin (D-Illinois) is Obama’s 18th cousin
Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming) is Obama’s third cousin nine times removed’s husband’s eighth great nephew
Jeff Flake (R-Arizona) is Obama’s eighth cousin, three times removed
Al Franken (D-Minnesota) is Obama’s second cousin eight times removed’s wife’s husband’s second cousin five times removed’s husband’s second cousin
Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is Obama’s 17th cousin
Kay Hagan (D-North Carolina) is Obama’s 15th cousin
Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) is Obama’s ninth cousin, thrice removed
Tim Kaine (D-Virginia) is Obama’s seventh cousin’s ex-wife’s third cousin’s husband
Angus King (I-Maine) is Obama’s ninth cousin twice removed’s wife’s first cousin once removed
Mary Landrieu (D-Louisiana) is Obama’s sixth cousin four times removed’s husband’s third great niece’s husband’s uncle’s granddaughter
Mike Lee (R-Utah) is Obama’s 10th cousin, once removed
John McCain (R-Arizona) is Obama’s 11th cousin, twice removed
Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky) is Obama’s eighth great aunt’s first cousin thrice removed’s husband’s fifth great nephew
Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland) is Obama’s 10th great aunt’s brother’s wife’s sixth great niece’s ex-husband’s aunt’s husband’s first cousin once removed’s wife’s niece’s husband’s first cousin
Bill Nelson (D-Florida) is Obama’s 14th cousin, once removed
Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) is Obama’s fifth cousin five times removed’s husband’s third cousin five times removed
Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas) is Obama’s 12th cousin
Harry Reid (D-Nevada) is Obama’s 15th cousin, once removed
James Risch (R-Idaho) is Obama’s eighth cousin once removed’s wife’s first cousin’s wife’s nephew
Pat Roberts (R-Kansas) is Obama’s 13th cousin, four times removed
Jay Rockefeller (D-West Virginia) is Obama’s 12th cousin
Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama) is Obama’s 12th cousin, thrice removed
Richard C Shelby (R-Alabama) is Obama’s 17th cousin, once removed
Mark Udall (D-Colorado) is Obama’s 10th cousin, once removed
Tom Udall (D-New Mexico) is Obama’s 11th cousin, once removed
David Vitter (R-Louisiana) is Obama’s first cousin seven times removed’s wife’s great niece’s husband’s second cousin thrice removed’s wife’s third cousin
Elizabeth Warren (D - Massachusetts) is Obama’s ninth great aunt’s third great nephew’s wife’s second great niece
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island) is Obama’s 14th cousin, five times removed




http://www.dailyyonder.com/presidency-obamas-genes/2008/08/20/1527/
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For example, Obama is closely related to at least six individuals who have resided in the White House: Jane Means Appleton Pierce, wife of President Franklin Pierce; Ronald Reagan; Elizabeth Virginia “Bess” Wallace Truman, wife of President Harry Truman; President Jimmy Carter and Angelica Van Buren, daughter-in-law of President Martin Van Buren who took over White House as hostess following the death of Van Buren’s wife.
A recent article in the Atlantic Monthly revealed that during the Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton was advised to attack Obama’s heritage, but she declined.
Maybe it’s because she wanted to take the moral high road. Or maybe it’s because she is Obama’s cousin. Obama’s shares a 10th great grandmother, Ann Sutton (1589-1654) with Clinton.
Obama’s political bona fides started with the Declaration of Independence. Francis Lightfoot Lee of Virginia, Caesar Rodney of Delaware, Pennsylvanian Robert Morris and Georgia’s Button Gwinnett were all signatories to the declaration and are all ancestors of Obama’s. He is related to at least three men who came to America on the Mayflower.
There is also a high probability that he is related to Queen Elizabeth of England, since they both descend from Dorothy Ann Tracy (1563-1612).





http://www.cbsnews.com/news/surprising-link-found-in-obamas-family-tree/
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It's already been learned that Mr. Obama is related, however distantly, to people as diverse as Warren Buffett, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and George W. Bush.




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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23994325 - 01/09/17 02:51 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Mary Landrieu (D-Louisiana) is Obama’s sixth cousin four times removed’s husband’s third great niece’s husband’s uncle’s granddaughter


yeah pretty distant dude


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #23994727 - 01/09/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your relatives.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: sweeper54]
    #23994763 - 01/09/17 10:19 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Ya a lot of those are pretty god damn tenous.


Shit I bet I'm 16th cousins with obama


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #23994784 - 01/09/17 10:26 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I'll bet you aren't.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23994812 - 01/09/17 10:40 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Implying it makes a difference either way


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #23994823 - 01/09/17 10:43 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

why mention it then?


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23994844 - 01/09/17 10:55 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Well he's related to Orin hatch


Hatch is utahs senator. Utah was founded by polygamists with 100s of wives. Hatch is an extremely common surname here.  Chances are I have some distant relation to hatch are pretty good.





I don't get your point of how this super distant relationship between powerful people means anything


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #24007137 - 01/13/17 01:10 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

OK we're going to get to the bottom of this Russian threat now, lil'dick has 'HIS' people on it 'and we'll have an answer in 90 days.'


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: sweeper54]
    #24008607 - 01/14/17 12:56 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Russians are mostly female and they are hot as fuuuuuuuck!


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