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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23976686 - 01/02/17 04:37 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

They have drunk too much trump koolaid


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: sweeper54]
    #23976703 - 01/02/17 04:44 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Because the establishment media says so?



http://time.com/putin-secret-agents/

http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/10/04/proof-of-putins-crime-within-a-crime-has-far-reaching-consequences-eidman-says/#arvlbdata

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-deadly-russian-toll-1425155183

List of journalist kill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2016/jan/04/does-vladimir-putin-kill-journalists/

He a real fucking humanitarian.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2016/jan/04/does-vladimir-putin-kill-journalists/


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/19/alexander-litvinenko-the-man-who-solved-his-own-murder

Intelligence Expert Explains Why Donald Trump is the Perfect KGB Recruit

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/17/intelligence-expert-explains-donald-trump-perfect-kgb-recruit.html


And just today

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-putin-russia-icc-20161116-story.html



Yup, that what I thought.  Because the establishment media says so (elax just beat me to it).  :smirk:

Granted, Wikipedia isn't establishment, but they also keep a List of journalists killed in the United States.




BUT WAIT there's a BIT of a difference. Only five (5) each have died while Putin-in-the-Donald's-mouth was in power.





Nah lil dick would be getting involved in a country that's literal translation is "on the border"


Ukraine is a proud and free state, durrr.

Ya bullshit. 1/3 of it was polish the rest is Russia.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #23976713 - 01/02/17 04:47 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I'm sure the us would be stoked if their little puppet state Canada joined the csto though.


Edited by elax420 (01/02/17 04:49 PM)


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23976723 - 01/02/17 04:51 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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What in that report proves that Russia was behind the election hacking? The report is a sham, you didn't read it and anyone who did would realize that it doesn't serve as evidence of Russia hacking Podesta.

Go and crawl back under your establishment media rock.

EDIT: the attacks actually originated from the Ukraine. But I mean Ukraine is close to Russia so it was definitely Putin himself :flowstone:



:thumbup:





Doesn't this statement support the Russian (hell broader Slavic) claim that Ukraine isn't a real country?
Lol


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23979502 - 01/03/17 05:42 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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I love Putin's response:

"Russia has reasons to respond in kind. Although we have the right to retaliate, we will not resort to irresponsible ‘kitchen’ diplomacy but will plan our further steps to restore Russian-US relations"



That called BAIT and lil'dick has already swallowed it.



So if Russia is nice, that means they're not to be trusted?
:dudewtf:



I hope you boys are right, but I will never count on it.



I'm not counting on it either.  We need to remain cautious.

All I'm saying is that just because Putin is behaving nicely doesn't automatically mean he's evil.  That's a ridiculous conclusion.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23979539 - 01/03/17 05:51 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Putin is not behaving nicely.  He's intelligently ornery.  Most subversive Russia has been ever.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23980019 - 01/03/17 09:02 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

maybe we'll get lucky and putin will annex a few more former soviet states.  russia can't handle 3 or 4 more chechnyas with a syria to boot; they're almost broke already.  Then again,  if Russia collapses from strategic overreach, there will inevitably be a period of some lessened oversight over her nuclear arsenal which is dangerous for everyone.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23980121 - 01/03/17 09:55 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Putin is not behaving nicely.  He's intelligently ornery.  Most subversive Russia has been ever.



Go on, defend what you just said...  :popcorn:


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23980324 - 01/03/17 11:52 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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maybe we'll get lucky and putin will annex a few more former soviet states.  russia can't handle 3 or 4 more chechnyas with a syria to boot; they're almost broke already.  Then again,  if Russia collapses from strategic overreach, there will inevitably be a period of some lessened oversight over her nuclear arsenal which is dangerous for everyone.





and there it is.


The stupidest post in the thread.



Annexation of Chechnya was in like 1850 dude.....


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #23980486 - 01/04/17 02:18 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

they're still fighting over it.  :shrug:
The chinese annexed Xinjiang in 1759.  Tell that to the Uyghurs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Qing_dynasty
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The Qing then freed the Afaqi Khoja leader Burhan-ud-din and his brother Khoja Jihan from their imprisonment by the Dzungars, and appointed them to rule as Qing vassals over the Tarim Basin. The Khoja brothers decided to renege on this deal and declare themselves as independent leaders of the Tarim Basin. The Qing and the Turfan leader Emin Khoja crushed their revolt and China then took full control of both Dzungaria and the Tarim Basin by 1759.




Any given country can only withstand so much internal pressure.  The limit may be different for various governments, but there is a limit.  Russia is going broke, they are making budget cuts, and wars, liberations, police actions, or whatever the kids are calling them these days, cost money.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23981213 - 01/04/17 11:58 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

No they actually aren't.

But facts don't matter


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #23981217 - 01/04/17 12:00 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Oh and please tell which part of Ukraine has a Sunni Muslim majority.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23981371 - 01/04/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Intelligence agencies are like the mafia.  Putin is a big player in the Russian mob.  Why would you trust the mob?  That is just stupid.  They will use you and take advantage.  You will just be a tool to them.  A disposable tool like a lady's tampon.  Do you want to be a tampax?  Putin's tampax?




you could very reasonably argue that the government is much like a mafia but even the mafia follow some rules. There is always the potential for enough trust for a particular function depending on the stakes and the balance of power.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: elax420]
    #23981378 - 01/04/17 12:55 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen%E2%80%93Russian_conflict#Ongoing_Chechen_insurgency
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Since the end of the Second Chechen War in May 2000, low-level insurgency has continued, particularly in Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan. Russian security forces have succeeded in eliminating some of their leaders, such as Shamil Basayev, who was killed on July 10, 2006.[34] After Basayev's death, Dokka Umarov took the leadership of the rebel forces in North Caucasus until his death owing to poisoning in 2013.[35]
Radical Islamists from Chechnya and other North Caucasian republics have been held responsible for a number of terrorist attacks throughout Russia,[36] most notably the Russian apartment bombings in 1999,[37] the Moscow theater hostage crisis in 2002,[38] the Beslan school hostage crisis in 2004, the 2010 Moscow Metro bombings[39] and the Domodedovo International Airport bombing in 2011.[40][41]




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Oh and please tell which part of Ukraine has a Sunni Muslim majority.




No part? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Ukraine#Ukrainian_Muslims_today
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Muslims make up only approximately 0.9% of the Ukrainian population, but as much as 12% in Crimea. According to the 2000 census Ukraine was home to 248,193 Crimean Tatars, 73,304 Volga Tatars, 45,176 Azeris, 12,353 Uzbeks, 8,844 Turks, 6,575 Arabs and 5,526 Kazakhs.[12]




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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: hostileuniverse] * 4
    #23981409 - 01/04/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Our whiney little bitch of a CIC can throw his hissy fit all he wants, the fact he is so determined to undermine an incoming president speaks volumes about him. History will not be kind to this douchebag.



He is the highest rated outgoing President in recorded U.S. history. The opinions of right wingers on the Shroomery can not change history.

But you don't believe in academics so there is no point in arguing.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23981440 - 01/04/17 01:18 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

We don't know what all covert actions have been taken.  I have heard that SOCOM has been very busy under Obama.  They don't exactly take out front page advertisements of what they are doing.

Trump wants war victory and he's going to find that difficult.  He may be the first President to lose massive amounts of civilians or the country itself.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: Morel Guy] * 3
    #23982055 - 01/04/17 05:31 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Covert actions are escalating. And it appears its not in our interest to have a "war victory," we like to draw these conflicts out.

There will be kids graduating high school next year who have never lived in a world where the US WASNT invading Afghanistan. Its normalized now. And "winning" isnt needed to keep the gears turning anymore.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23982112 - 01/04/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Since Korea there have been wars impossible to win.  To really win there needs to be political victory.  The US doesn't exterminate people based on politics or ethnicity.  That's probably the easiest way to win, extermination.  They seem to have difficult winning peoples minds with western culture.  It's like trying to get every Amish (if they were armed and violent) to jump the fence.  It's improbably that's going to occur.  Shit, they can't even win over cultures in America!


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23982775 - 01/04/17 11:03 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen%E2%80%93Russian_conflict#Ongoing_Chechen_insurgency
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Since the end of the Second Chechen War in May 2000, low-level insurgency has continued, particularly in Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan. Russian security forces have succeeded in eliminating some of their leaders, such as Shamil Basayev, who was killed on July 10, 2006.[34] After Basayev's death, Dokka Umarov took the leadership of the rebel forces in North Caucasus until his death owing to poisoning in 2013.[35]
Radical Islamists from Chechnya and other North Caucasian republics have been held responsible for a number of terrorist attacks throughout Russia,[36] most notably the Russian apartment bombings in 1999,[37] the Moscow theater hostage crisis in 2002,[38] the Beslan school hostage crisis in 2004, the 2010 Moscow Metro bombings[39] and the Domodedovo International Airport bombing in 2011.[40][41]




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Oh and please tell which part of Ukraine has a Sunni Muslim majority.




No part? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Ukraine#Ukrainian_Muslims_today
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Muslims make up only approximately 0.9% of the Ukrainian population, but as much as 12% in Crimea. According to the 2000 census Ukraine was home to 248,193 Crimean Tatars, 73,304 Volga Tatars, 45,176 Azeris, 12,353 Uzbeks, 8,844 Turks, 6,575 Arabs and 5,526 Kazakhs.[12]








Then why are you even mentioning Chechnya? There is literally no connection

They fought 2 wars. Their republic was completely and utterly destroyed over this. Moscow gave them billions to rebuild a modern glitzy capital. Kadyrov and putin are complete bros. end of story.

Dagestan is more of a probem but if history has taught us one thing Moscow will never let go of any of its land. Are you new?
Plus Dagestan has a shitload of oil.

Now stop talking about shit you know nothing about.


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Re: More sanctions against Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23982859 - 01/04/17 11:54 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

i think that perhaps you completely misunderstood the point of my post.

I was using chechnya as a placeholder for any prolonged insurgency, or revolt, or pacification, or whatever.

If history has taught us anything, it is that is extremely expensive, difficult, and eventually exhausting to hold territory that doesn't want to be held.  It can be done, for various lengths of time, but too much resistance, for too long, over too large an area leads to an inevitable collapse. 

This brings me to my original point, which is that Russia isn't going to try to recapture a bunch of former soviet states overtly any time in the near future because it would lead to several prolonged insurgencies that Moscow can ill-afford, or conversely, that if such an attempt were made, it would be to the U.S. advantage in a hypothetical Russia vs. The West scenario. 

Hence:
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maybe we'll get lucky and putin will annex a few more former soviet states.  russia can't handle 3 or 4 more chechnyas with a syria to boot; they're almost broke already.  Then again,  if Russia collapses from strategic overreach, there will inevitably be a period of some lessened oversight over her nuclear arsenal which is dangerous for everyone.




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