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Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..?
    #23965481 - 12/29/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi there,

I just wanted to know if it was possible to pasteurise coir/verm mix jars in a cooker with lid without having a meat thermometer..? I have a digital laser scanner thermometer but it would mean having to take off the cooker lid and scan the foil at the top of the jars.. Is there a way to do this without using a meat thermometer or bucket tek - as mixture is loaded into the jars already. Is there a preferred temperature I should turn up on the stove and time I should leave it to boil for..?

Any advice is appreciated :-)


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965487 - 12/29/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

pc it


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965489 - 12/29/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

may I ask how long for...? :-)


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965493 - 12/29/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

PC it for 15-30 minutes. Let it cool slowly.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965495 - 12/29/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

lets say 90min at 15psi?

EDIT: or 10-15. id go with enlightenment on this one... ive yet to pc coco:awesanta:


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965498 - 12/29/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Not neccessary but it works. Sometimes I PC coirwith grain jars.
I would heat coir because some brands seem to make their bricks in another way than other brands. A 15 min PC run would kill mold spores and this is what you want.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23965505 - 12/29/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

cheers :thumbup::cool:


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965506 - 12/29/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hi there,

I just wanted to know if it was possible to pasteurise coir/verm mix jars in a cooker with lid without having a meat thermometer..? I have a digital laser scanner thermometer but it would mean having to take off the cooker lid and scan the foil at the top of the jars.. Is there a way to do this without using a meat thermometer or bucket tek - as mixture is loaded into the jars already. Is there a preferred temperature I should turn up on the stove and time I should leave it to boil for..?

Any advice is appreciated :-)



You can take the lid off while your pasteurizing to take the temp with the laser scanner.  I just dont know how reliable that will be im not familiar with laser temp guages


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965508 - 12/29/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It will probably give an accurate reading of the foil or glass temperature but not the centre of the substrate in the jar :undecided:


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965519 - 12/29/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you need to know the heat at the center of your substrate mass not the outside of a jar.

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It will probably give an accurate reading of the foil or glass temperature but not the centre of the substrate in the jar :undecided:



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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965521 - 12/29/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's coir. Just bucket tek it or just add cold water to mix it up


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965523 - 12/29/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Only benefit to proper pastureization of coir is practice for when you need to pasturize something that actually requires it like manure/straw/peat ect.

Coir dosen't require proper pastureization, PC it, pour boiling water over it in a bucket, hydrate it with tap water, whatever. No need to monitor temps no beneficial microbes to preserve.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: azur]
    #23965527 - 12/29/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Azur... Try to tell this olskoolgrower :lol:


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23965535 - 12/29/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:grin:


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23965538 - 12/29/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

thank you :takingnotes: :thumbup:


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23965539 - 12/29/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Azur... Try to tell this olskoolgrower :lol:



You know really when it comes down to it.  If your going to go beyond pf tek then you are going to need to learn how to properly pasteurize.  Your telling ppl to bucket tek which breeds laziness which is a really bad condition to have growing shrooms.  Start cutting corners w pasteurization what other corners are you going to cut?


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965566 - 12/29/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's not cutting corners with CVG, there are NO benefitial microbes to preserve by monitoring temps:shrug:


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23965569 - 12/29/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

why do so many advise on not PC coir as it kills microbes needed to fight contaminants and other reasons ... ?


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965598 - 12/29/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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why do so many advise on not PC coir as it kills microbes needed to fight contaminants and other reasons ... ?



Thats the difference between past and sterilization.  Pasteurization kills all the bad bacteria while keeping all the beneficial bacteria.  Sterilization kills everything


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965603 - 12/29/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ive never heard anyone advise not to PC coir, maybe in some really old threads. Some people prefer it saying it further breaks it down making it more easily consumed by the myc.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965608 - 12/29/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yet what other ppl are trying to tell me which i already know is this.  That coir is made under really high temps which sterilizes everything in the coir.  So by pasteurizing after sterilization there is no beneficial bacteria to keep there to benefit your grow.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965618 - 12/29/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I see :-)

I noticed Roger Rabbit had told someone to pasteurise and not to Pressure cook for any amount of time a year or so back, if there would be no issue either way, then why would he and others say this...?


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965623 - 12/29/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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why do so many advise on not PC coir as it kills microbes needed to fight contaminants and other reasons ... ?




they lack knowledge. as stepp pointed out, coir has no microbes so you can really do
whatever you want with it..

for what its worth ive used month old bucket cvg that sat around. not one problem.
ive microwaved coco. baked it in the oven and never had issues with it. all your
problems come from dirty spawn when using coco. its that simple. if your coco
based tubs mold out its like 99% in your spawn.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965628 - 12/29/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I see :-)

I noticed Roger Rabbit had told someone to pasteurise and not to Pressure cook for any amount of time a year or so back, if there would be no issue either way, then why would he and others say this...?



Yep know you see my issue.  I guarantee you that RR would say pasteurize coir.  Ive seen him say it.  He does not approve of the bucket tek at all.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965635 - 12/29/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

okay, will get started now :dancer: I was concerned about killing any beneficial organisms living within the coir but for 15 minutes it shouldnt be a problem..? :laugh: anyways, thank you for the answers people!!


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965642 - 12/29/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

he doesn't approve of pressure cooking it either, but without a meat thermometer I am going to have to this time as everything is loaded into jars and cold water was used to soak the mixture :rolleyes:


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965643 - 12/29/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

dont take what :rr: says as gospel.

just sayin'

im about to pc my own batch of coco after reading a similar thread about awhile ago
when many of TCs and skilled growers alike shared examples of great grows using PCed coco.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965653 - 12/29/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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dont take what :rr: says as gospel.






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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965655 - 12/29/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

hahaha

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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965660 - 12/29/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Kasumi,

I'm just curious as to why you're doing this in jars...are you growing in them?


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965665 - 12/29/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

also to OP.. ive done this..

hydrated coco to play with field capacity and get a good feel for it.
toss it somewhere to dry and re-hydrate later


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23965669 - 12/29/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

no, pouring it into monotubs....... what did I do wrong :goat:


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965675 - 12/29/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Mycolorado

She wanted to do proper pasteurization like here.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965685 - 12/29/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing wrong...I just think it would be easier to do in one vessel as opposed to several small vessels.  Also, as has been thoroughly discussed, it's coir and we're talking pasteurization, so it's not like anything needs to be kept super tidy when it comes to inoculation time. Also, when you say "cooker", what exactly are you referring to?  I think some people envision a PC while others see an electric roasting pan (great for pasteurization).  I think your entire question (over both threads) has been made into a mountain from a mole hill.



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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965690 - 12/29/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Azur... Try to tell this olskoolgrower :lol:



You know really when it comes down to it.  If your going to go beyond pf tek then you are going to need to learn how to properly pasteurize.  Your telling ppl to bucket tek which breeds laziness which is a really bad condition to have growing shrooms.  Start cutting corners w pasteurization what other corners are you going to cut?



You must've not know who you're talking to.
I promise you this is the FIRST and ONLY time I've told someone to bucket it.
I'm one of the biggest proponents of proper pasteurization on this entire site.
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: azur]
    #23965702 - 12/29/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Nothing wrong...I just think it would be easier to do in one vessel as opposed to several small vessels.  Also, as has thoroughly discussed, it's coir and we're talking pasteurization, so it's not like anything needs to be kept super tidy when it comes to inoculation time. Also, when you say "cooker", what exactly are you referring to?  I think some people envision a PC while others see an electric roasting pan (great for pasteurization).  I think your entire question (over both threads) has been made into a mountain from a mole hill.



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Azur... Try to tell this olskoolgrower :lol:



You know really when it comes down to it.  If your going to go beyond pf tek then you are going to need to learn how to properly pasteurize.  Your telling ppl to bucket tek which breeds laziness which is a really bad condition to have growing shrooms.  Start cutting corners w pasteurization what other corners are you going to cut?



You must've not know who you're talking to.
I promise you this is the FIRST and ONLY time I've told someone to bucket it.
I'm one of the biggest proponents of proper pasteurization on this entire site.
Settle down.



So why would you then?  I just think its bad practice that will carry over and breed more bad practices.  Im like mike holmes "do it right"

"This is my FIRST and ONLY time."  Seems like your saying it just to be a dick.  IDK but thats how it comes across.  Why would you tell this poster to cut corners but not other's?


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965706 - 12/29/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I pasteurize or sterilize everything (depending on the sub)...I grow edibles first and foremost.  I think azur suggested it as it's noob friendly and this whole discussion is overblown (and not to be a dick, but, overblown by you).


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965709 - 12/29/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you are talking about spreading bad practices but in another thread you are all

'hey you dont need a sgfc for cakes, stay tuned for my shroomery smackdown tek'

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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965715 - 12/29/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its unnecessary to cut holes in monos.  Just like the tek posted.  Personally im sick of the question "why do you have totes in your house with pillow stuffing sticking out of it?"  Having monos with holes is bait and ppl ask too many questions.  I never said anything about a shroomery smackdown

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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965724 - 12/29/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Dude. I heard ya. And I agree that learning bad habits is not a good thing. But, as I've gotten older, arguing seems stupid.
Since it's coir (and anyone who knows me knows how I feel about coir), fuck it.
Open your mind and check this

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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: azur]
    #23965748 - 12/29/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Open your mind and check this

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22728535/fpart/all/vc/1



I completely agree i am older and arguing is stupid and ridiculous.

This post.  Ive done this.  It has worked for me too.  On an ms grow also.  You mention a strong culture in your OP so i take it you used an iso for this.  I just really think that if your gonna bucket tek DONT take the extra 5-10 minutes it takes to properly pasteurize.  Im going to spawn 4 PE mono's in a couple days.  Im going to try bucket tek again just because of all this BS.  It will probably work fine for me.  It might not.  I just think ppl should take the few extra minutes and do things as well as able and dont cut corners.  I really dont think there is anything wrong with this


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965754 - 12/29/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There is always more than one way to skin a cat, is properly pastureization of coir bad? Not at all, just completely unnecessary but it is good practice to get down your proper pastureization for subs that require it.  If a person is more comfortable doing it that way it's their choice.

Though I don't believe bucket tek breads laziness, it's just part of trimming the fat that happens as the hobby progresses. You won't have any better results with pastureization than sterilization or bucketed coir. Just because someone buckets coir dosen't mean they are going to bucket manure, stop working with agar or do open air g2g.


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965765 - 12/29/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18877993#18877993

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19936593#19936593

I hate coir and I laugh at the bucket tek. But it does work and you must remember where we are kindergarten


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: azur]
    #23965776 - 12/29/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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azur said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18877993#18877993

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19936593#19936593

I hate coir and I laugh at the bucket tek. But it does work and you must remember where we are kindergarten



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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23966232 - 12/29/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

first off oldschool you are full of it, RR has stated ovr n over for years coir is fine to sterilize bucket tek or pasturize because molds are not easily germinated on it period.

op just pc your coir and move on, once you get something that needs pasturizing then worry about temps for a minute, after two times on your stove you wont even need a thermometer ever again


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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: cronicr]
    #23967261 - 12/30/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man, all done ! :freewilly:


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