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olskoolgrower
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965608 - 12/29/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yet what other ppl are trying to tell me which i already know is this. That coir is made under really high temps which sterilizes everything in the coir. So by pasteurizing after sterilization there is no beneficial bacteria to keep there to benefit your grow.
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965618 - 12/29/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see :-)
I noticed Roger Rabbit had told someone to pasteurise and not to Pressure cook for any amount of time a year or so back, if there would be no issue either way, then why would he and others say this...?
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
#23965623 - 12/29/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kasumi said: why do so many advise on not PC coir as it kills microbes needed to fight contaminants and other reasons ... ?
they lack knowledge. as stepp pointed out, coir has no microbes so you can really do whatever you want with it..
for what its worth ive used month old bucket cvg that sat around. not one problem. ive microwaved coco. baked it in the oven and never had issues with it. all your problems come from dirty spawn when using coco. its that simple. if your coco based tubs mold out its like 99% in your spawn.
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olskoolgrower
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
#23965628 - 12/29/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kasumi said: I see :-)
I noticed Roger Rabbit had told someone to pasteurise and not to Pressure cook for any amount of time a year or so back, if there would be no issue either way, then why would he and others say this...?
Yep know you see my issue. I guarantee you that RR would say pasteurize coir. Ive seen him say it. He does not approve of the bucket tek at all.
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
#23965635 - 12/29/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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okay, will get started now I was concerned about killing any beneficial organisms living within the coir but for 15 minutes it shouldnt be a problem..? anyways, thank you for the answers people!!
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965642 - 12/29/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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he doesn't approve of pressure cooking it either, but without a meat thermometer I am going to have to this time as everything is loaded into jars and cold water was used to soak the mixture
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
#23965643 - 12/29/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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dont take what says as gospel.
just sayin'
im about to pc my own batch of coco after reading a similar thread about awhile ago when many of TCs and skilled growers alike shared examples of great grows using PCed coco.
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
#23965653 - 12/29/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: dont take what says as gospel.
 I think too many people rely on only rr's word for things
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
#23965655 - 12/29/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hahaha
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
#23965660 - 12/29/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey Kasumi,
I'm just curious as to why you're doing this in jars...are you growing in them?
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
#23965665 - 12/29/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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also to OP.. ive done this..
hydrated coco to play with field capacity and get a good feel for it. toss it somewhere to dry and re-hydrate later
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Mycolorado]
#23965669 - 12/29/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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no, pouring it into monotubs....... what did I do wrong
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
#23965675 - 12/29/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mycolorado
She wanted to do proper pasteurization like here.
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: Kasumi]
#23965685 - 12/29/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nothing wrong...I just think it would be easier to do in one vessel as opposed to several small vessels. Also, as has been thoroughly discussed, it's coir and we're talking pasteurization, so it's not like anything needs to be kept super tidy when it comes to inoculation time. Also, when you say "cooker", what exactly are you referring to? I think some people envision a PC while others see an electric roasting pan (great for pasteurization). I think your entire question (over both threads) has been made into a mountain from a mole hill.
Edited by Mycolorado (12/29/16 02:16 PM)
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965690 - 12/29/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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enlightenment said: Azur... Try to tell this olskoolgrower 
You know really when it comes down to it. If your going to go beyond pf tek then you are going to need to learn how to properly pasteurize. Your telling ppl to bucket tek which breeds laziness which is a really bad condition to have growing shrooms. Start cutting corners w pasteurization what other corners are you going to cut?
You must've not know who you're talking to. I promise you this is the FIRST and ONLY time I've told someone to bucket it. I'm one of the biggest proponents of proper pasteurization on this entire site. Settle down.
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: azur]
#23965702 - 12/29/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Nothing wrong...I just think it would be easier to do in one vessel as opposed to several small vessels. Also, as has thoroughly discussed, it's coir and we're talking pasteurization, so it's not like anything needs to be kept super tidy when it comes to inoculation time. Also, when you say "cooker", what exactly are you referring to? I think some people envision a PC while others see an electric roasting pan (great for pasteurization). I think your entire question (over both threads) has been made into a mountain from a mole hill.
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enlightenment said: Azur... Try to tell this olskoolgrower 
You know really when it comes down to it. If your going to go beyond pf tek then you are going to need to learn how to properly pasteurize. Your telling ppl to bucket tek which breeds laziness which is a really bad condition to have growing shrooms. Start cutting corners w pasteurization what other corners are you going to cut?
You must've not know who you're talking to. I promise you this is the FIRST and ONLY time I've told someone to bucket it. I'm one of the biggest proponents of proper pasteurization on this entire site. Settle down.
So why would you then? I just think its bad practice that will carry over and breed more bad practices. Im like mike holmes "do it right"
"This is my FIRST and ONLY time." Seems like your saying it just to be a dick. IDK but thats how it comes across. Why would you tell this poster to cut corners but not other's?
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965706 - 12/29/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I pasteurize or sterilize everything (depending on the sub)...I grow edibles first and foremost. I think azur suggested it as it's noob friendly and this whole discussion is overblown (and not to be a dick, but, overblown by you).
Edited by Mycolorado (12/29/16 02:22 PM)
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965709 - 12/29/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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you are talking about spreading bad practices but in another thread you are all
'hey you dont need a sgfc for cakes, stay tuned for my shroomery smackdown tek'
albinos coming your way they are
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: mushboy]
#23965715 - 12/29/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its unnecessary to cut holes in monos. Just like the tek posted. Personally im sick of the question "why do you have totes in your house with pillow stuffing sticking out of it?" Having monos with holes is bait and ppl ask too many questions. I never said anything about a shroomery smackdown
1 more post til ur 0 shroom rating too then
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Re: Pasteurising coir in cooker without thermometer..? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965724 - 12/29/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude. I heard ya. And I agree that learning bad habits is not a good thing. But, as I've gotten older, arguing seems stupid. Since it's coir (and anyone who knows me knows how I feel about coir), fuck it. Open your mind and check this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22728535/fpart/all/vc/1
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