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can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits?
    #23965331 - 12/29/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I fruited a few shrooms and everyone loved them except for one group of 3 people was upset with me saying no one felt anything at all. these people got the same stuff I gave everyone else from the same tub so my question is can a tub grow weak and strong shrooms can the strength go down after so many flushes or are these friends just trying to get more out of me by complaining they were weak when really they were just like the others Hella strong


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: more4u2c]
    #23965366 - 12/29/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Potency varies between flushes and tolerance varies between people.  Those are two immediate variables that will be encountered. If you homogenize these results somehow, perhaps by keeping flushes separate or mixing everything in one big batch, that might help the situation.  Personally, I'd keep flushes separate in this case and takes notes on variance.  Keep in mind others must have a clean tolerance to truly be judicial of its potency.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: Hekate] * 1
    #23965376 - 12/29/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Anytime you use spores as an inoculant you get very diverse genetics and these genetics can determine potency, and yes you can get wildly fluctuating potency in the same grow. A lot of times people say they felt nothing, they didn't take enough or didn't fast before dosing.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23965456 - 12/29/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Tmethyl said:
Anytime you use spores as an inoculant you get very diverse genetics and these genetics can determine potency, and yes you can get wildly fluctuating potency in the same grow. A lot of times people say they felt nothing, they didn't take enough or didn't fast before dosing.



:whathesaid: potentcy of a MS grow can vary from mushroom to mushroom, if you want consistent potentcy do some MS grows, take several clones, grow the clones out and test them for yeild and potency. Keep the most potent/best yielding via master slant.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23965896 - 12/29/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah ND, and about cloning, if you have a big fruit you can eat half of it beforehand to test the potency directly, then clone that one.
You only need a small piece to make a clone.
Just another way to ensure 100% that you will have potent grows from that clone.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23968382 - 12/30/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

so what yall are saying is its totally possible that I grew some that grow completely free of Psilocybin? Cuz these people all ate and eighth and said they felt nothing. I would imagine even if they were weak fruits u would feel something right?

also is the blue bruse really a sign of strength? Cuz some Hella brused blue while others didn't at all. I'm Hella worried about this I don't wanna be known as the girl that grows weak shit


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: more4u2c]
    #23968429 - 12/30/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)


Bluing dosen't tell you anything about potentcy. If you want to make sure it never happens again start working with agar or grow another species.

Cubes grown from multispore potentcy can be all over the place, your next grow should fair better.

Another thought were they completely cracker dry or bendy? And how did you dry them?


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23968592 - 12/30/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

They were completely cracker dry but then got a little bit bendy after all I live on the coast and humidity is really high here unless I put on a completely sealed container with a little dry bag they don't stay cracker dry for very long I use a dehumidifier to dry them but it's a very very weak dehumidifier doesn't get very hot takes about a day or two to get them cracker dry


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: more4u2c]
    #23968615 - 12/30/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

what's also kind of crazy is this isn't a MS this was from agar. now I don't think it was a hundred percent mono but I did only grab a little tiny bit from a single sector to knock up my grain so I'm assuming it was 99.9% mono if not 100%. gone thru like 3oz with no complaints then this lil 3/8 deal was a complete dud


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: more4u2c]
    #23968632 - 12/30/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is interesting, nice post op.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #23968941 - 12/30/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The people that said they didn't feel anything- how long after harvest did they eat their shrooms? What about the people whose shrooms were fine?

If this wasn't MS, then a very likely culprit is incorrect drying. When you say you were drying using a dehumidifier, did you actually mean a dehydrator? Because those are quite different, and the latter is the one that will actually preserve your fruits.

If you do have a dehydrator, does it have heat settings? If so, are yours turned all the way up? 24 hours at full capacity will help ensure proper drying. If that's exactly what you're doing, then storage is your issue. Have you been using plastic bags? They often allow low levels of moisture in with the shrooms. Glass jars are a safe bet for their lack of permeability.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: r.lutece]
    #23968970 - 12/30/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How many transfers off the original plate did you do? If it was less than
10, there is no way you were using an isolate or monoculture. Even if you
are using agar, unless you isolate down genetics you are still doing MS.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: r.lutece]
    #23971998 - 12/31/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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The people that said they didn't feel anything- how long after harvest did they eat their shrooms? What about the people whose shrooms were fine?

If this wasn't MS, then a very likely culprit is incorrect drying. When you say you were drying using a dehumidifier, did you actually mean a dehydrator? Because those are quite different, and the latter is the one that will actually preserve your fruits.

If you do have a dehydrator, does it have heat settings? If so, are yours turned all the way up? 24 hours at full capacity will help ensure proper drying. If that's exactly what you're doing, then storage is your issue. Have you been using plastic bags? They often allow low levels of moisture in with the shrooms. Glass jars are a safe bet for their lack of permeability.




1) the fine ones was a week or 2 after harvest. the ones that are complaining are grubbing like maybe a month old.

2) yes I meant a dehydrator lol and it doesn't have a temp setting on it. it just has one switch that turns it on. small baby fruits only need a hour or so to dry cracker dry, the phatties take a day to dry. I normally keep them in jars but these I had in a couple zip locks and they did get bendy sucked up some of my humid air :frown: does that mess them up? if so how come?

BTW this is the dehydrator I'm using
http://www.nesco.com/products/Dehydrators/Dehydrators/FD-37-Food-Dehydrator-Clear-Cover/


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23972011 - 12/31/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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How many transfers off the original plate did you do? If it was less than
10, there is no way you were using an isolate or monoculture. Even if you
are using agar, unless you isolate down genetics you are still doing MS.





yeah I'm still a major newbie when it comes to agar work I really don't know how many transfers I've done it originally was a clone of a big fruit from MS and then transfered it probably 3 or 4 times didnt really keep count, basically just did transfers until I got it to grow out into one even circle with big sectors then just cut out a tiny bit from the edge of the center of the biggest single sector :/

i now have this same clone sample transfered probably over 10 times now and am about to do another tub but I still see sectoring so maybe I should hold off until I get this transfered a few more times?


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: more4u2c]
    #23972275 - 01/01/17 02:39 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Check this out: this is Mushboy's comparison on how effective different dehydrating times are for actually producing cracker dry shrooms.

He gives a pretty good example of how what we might think is cracker dry at the time actually could probably use extra dehydrating time. That's the reason I asked about the mushrooms' ages: the shrooms probably weren't dried correctly. The two week old shrooms didn't have as much time to have their potency affected by the incomplete dehydration, but the shrooms that SAT around for an additional two weeks may have.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: r.lutece]
    #23973124 - 01/01/17 01:58 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

so excessive drying won't be a problem with lowering potency I heard Heat can lower or destroy the potency so I've only dehydrate until it's cracker dry but then they do Remoisten in the bags but they don't Remoisten when in jars so I've always thought the ones in bags are just sucking up moisture in the air I live in a very humid climate.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: more4u2c]
    #23973545 - 01/01/17 05:00 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

No excessive drying won't hurt potentcy, what does is any moisture content at all.  Better to over dry than under dry, I like the bag/jar combo (bag inside jar) or jars filled all the way up.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23973554 - 01/01/17 05:03 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I bought a bunch of silica packets off ebay and been using them inside to keep the moisture away. I totally forgot about these sacks I had and thatS why they were left out of the jars and we're able to suck uplease some humidity


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: more4u2c]
    #23973744 - 01/01/17 06:02 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Silica gel packets can't hurt, I still like to throw one in with my shrooms even if they've been in a dehydrator for a long time. For me it's less about knowing I dried them correctly and more insurance against environmental factors.


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Re: can a fruiting tub grow both strong and weak fruits? [Re: r.lutece] * 1
    #23973818 - 01/01/17 06:25 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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Silica gel packets can't hurt




Have you tried eating several of them?

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