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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965218 - 12/29/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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trolling indeed



Bad choice of words you need to post to troll.  Yesterday was my first post ever.  Ive just always visited and read the forum

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965229 - 12/29/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Haha no major improvements have happened in the last 10 years? :justno:

Talk about walking all over the people's hard work on here.. and no you don't need to past a coir sub. That was also hard work figured out by the good people on here. Noobs every day use the bucket tek with success. If you don't believe them, get clean spawn and try it again.


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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965236 - 12/29/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Ive been growing for over 25 years.  I have a pretty good idea of what I am doing.




:knowwhatnevermind:

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23965242 - 12/29/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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sterilzation w iso's.




i still wanna know what that means...

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965249 - 12/29/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965257 - 12/29/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Haha no major improvements have happened in the last 10 years? :justno:

Talk about walking all over the people's hard work on here.. and no you don't need to past a coir sub. That was also hard work figured out by the good people on here. Noobs every day use the bucket tek with success. If you don't believe them, get clean spawn and try it again.



Its been the same teks over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and again.  Show me something new of substance in the last decade and ill show you its just the same or a slight change to something that has already been done.  Really the only thing really new that i have seen is violet's (Who is either anne halonium or learned from her) PP5 pom tek.  If you think that is a new and good tek then :facepalm:
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sterilzation w iso's.




i still wanna know what that means...



What i meant is I sterilized coir in a pc and then properly pasteurized coir and ran them side by side using an isolate to see which performed better.  Guess your gonna tell me that is the wrong way to test something in mycology....

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965280 - 12/29/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

As already mentioned, coir really doesn't need pasteurization. I likely end up with partially sterilized  coir as I heat it in a pot, probably very un-evenly. One thing I'd like to mention as I've seen it brought up in other threads before, zoo med coco coir is shit. Get Exo Terra or Cannacoir  instead.

Everything went green before the first flush when I temporarily switched to zoo med coir.  I left out the worm castings, tried pasteurization vs. sterilization, no visible contaminants in my spawn, etc... I lost 13 tubs in a row, fuck zoo med.

@olskoolgrower, nobody that has been growing 25 years grows in tinfoil pans like in your avatar. Look at the bottom of the pan after your grow...With the link between Alzheimer's and aluminum, I wouldn't eat them.

Edited by Invader Zim (12/29/16 11:23 AM)

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: Kasumi]
    #23965304 - 12/29/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Hi Shroomery community,

I need to pasteurise my substrate but only have regular quart jars and not wide mouth, would this be an issue when I need to pour out the substrate mixture once cooled from the cooker? I have a cotton pillow case, but no roasting bags or wide mouth quart jars :undecided:




I would pasteurize in something besides jars...what a pain in the ass.  If I do "bucket tek", I do it in a large pot with lid and then throw in the oven at 170F for 15min, turn off the oven and let it sit for another 15min and remove.

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: Invader Zim]
    #23965314 - 12/29/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not talking about the teks. I'm talking about the study of mushrooms. We've vastly changed the ideas of what's ideal for them.

Humidity is not as important as people made it out to be back then. Coir doesn't need to be pasteurized, that was within the last 5 years. Open air growing was sparse and people would be too scared to mist their subs/pins, FAE is much more important than humidity, surface hydration is where it's at, and that's just to name a few things. If you're looking for teks there's bottle tek, there's LI, there's spawn and fruiting at the same time, to name a few.

If you actually have been here on the front lines you'd have seen the stupid questions and quotes people pull from even 5 years ago. The teks don't need to be changed because they're the perfect starting tool to understand what ideal conditions are so you can grow in pretty much any environment for a very cheap price.

Besides what more teks need to be made? It's not hard. Clean spawn, good sub, a good grower, a tub, done. Beats tubes and gh's, and it beats constantly refilling humidifiers. Shit really can't get much easier.


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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23965336 - 12/29/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not talking about the teks. I'm talking about the study of mushrooms. We've vastly changed the ideas of what's ideal for them.

Humidity is not as important as people made it out to be back then. Coir doesn't need to be pasteurized, that was within the last 5 years. Open air growing was sparse and people would be too scared to mist their subs, FAE is much more important than humidity, surface hydration is where it's at, and that's just to name a few things. If you're looking for teks there's bottle tek, there's LI, there's spawn and fruiting at the same time, to name a few.

If you actually have been here on the front lines you'd have seen the stupid questions and quotes people pull from even 5 years ago. The teks don't need to be changed because they're the perfect starting tool to understand what ideal conditions are so you can grow in pretty much any environment.

Besides what more teks need to be made? It's not hard. Clean spawn, good sub, a good grower, done.



Yes I agree with you that our understanding of mushrooms has changed alot but that hasnt trickled over into the grow yet.  Not alot has changed since TMC was written 30 years ago.  Things have improved but not really any changes have been made with this new knowledge.  Ok we soak and boil our grain before sterilizing instead of adding dry grain and water into your jar then pc'ing but really thats just an improvement on the same idea.  LI? liquid inoculant?  Dont tell me thats annes idea again of an agar slurry used to innocluate? :facepalm:

Its all just slight variations of the same thing.

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965397 - 12/29/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well it was these slight variations that made us understand them more, and there's still more work to be done on the study of them. The teks haven't changed because they were made for high FAE in mind, and with almost no cost. When designing them they actually noticed better growth with more fae than humidity and for some reason that really didn't translate to higher fae is better until more recent years for some reason. RR actually made the SGFC with 3/8" holes and noticed better fruiting, but decided on 1/4" holes so people don't need to mist as much. Nothing really beats a tub lol. Idk what could possibly be cheaper and better than tubs tbh. You could drill holes in many different places just fine, and you can even still grow like a boss without drilling any holes.

But besides all this, you are correct too that the teks themselves haven't changed much.

Anyways for you and for the OP, try the bucket tek, literally thousands of people use it every single day with no issues. It can't just be a coincidence.


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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965441 - 12/29/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What i meant is I sterilized coir in a pc and then properly pasteurized coir and ran them side by side using an isolate to see which performed better.  Guess your gonna tell me that is the wrong way to test something in mycology....




people do not usually abrivate a word like 'isolate' when iso's is 2 chars shorter then isolate ...anyway usually it means isopropyl alcohol.
you made it seem like you sterilized cvg with iso.

you are rather touchie for someone whos been doing this for years n years.
the mushrooms should of cured you of that by now.

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: mushboy]
    #23965499 - 12/29/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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without drilling any holes.




This is the way ive done mono's for about 6 years now.  I got so sick of holes and poly that I just said fuck it and grew with out them. Well its almost the same.  I dont bother with a liner.  Im glad you showed me this cause I was about to rewrite this tek cause i hadnt seen anyone else do it.

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What i meant is I sterilized coir in a pc and then properly pasteurized coir and ran them side by side using an isolate to see which performed better.  Guess your gonna tell me that is the wrong way to test something in mycology....




people do not usually abrivate a word like 'isolate' when iso's is 2 chars shorter then isolate ...anyway usually it means isopropyl alcohol.
you made it seem like you sterilized cvg with iso.

you are rather touchie for someone whos been doing this for years n years.
the mushrooms should of cured you of that by now.



Years ago iso was used commonly as an abbreviation for isolate :shrug:

I didnt think i was getting touchy :shrug2:

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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: olskoolgrower]
    #23965515 - 12/29/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I don't grow with a liner too. It's all about the surface conditions haha.

I'm not sure why the OPs post got deleted but 4 1" holes on a 20 qt tub is plenty, as long as there's 2 on the bottom near the surface of the substrate, and 2 on the top. It's more about dialing it in than the holes tbh


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Re: Pasteurising coir/verm/gypsum in regular quart jars? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23965522 - 12/29/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

thank you ! I thought it might be too many holes and affect the grow, I deleted it just because it seemed silly to post my query in the wrong topic, did not realise it had been seen :-D


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