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How can I keep these cakes from drying out?
    #23965221 - 12/29/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Currently have four in the chamber, with two more dunking right now to be added tomorrow. I'm having a hell of a time keeping them from drying out. Currently I'm misting around 8 times a day. No fans in the room. Humidifier doing the best it can. However, the heating runs near constantly. I'm only in this apartment until April, but the heating is so uneven that the sensor (in the hallway) just pumps dry air throughout the place in order to keep it at 65-70*F.

Right now, I'm struggling hardcore to keep these babies moisturized and was hoping someone could give me some advice.



SGFC, 2" grid of 1/4" holes on all six sides, elevated on half pint jars and spaced 8" from a wall. 4" of perlite, still moist.

BRF/verm cakes, in the chamber for two weeks (back two in the picture of four) and one week respectively.

Should I reduce the FAE by covering some holes? Introduce bottom watering prior to pinning?

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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: r.lutece]
    #23965276 - 12/29/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

In the winter since the air is so dry I like to run a humidifier in the same room as my grows, should help your problem and help your heating bill as well, humid air holds heat better than dry and makes it feel warmer.

Other than that make sure you have enough perlite and mist the perlite when you most the cakes


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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23965306 - 12/29/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I actually am running a humidifier (partly for the cakes, partly for us), but it doesn't seem to be able to keep up with the HVAC here. I'll start misting the perlite more heavily; mostly it's just been getting overspray.


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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: r.lutece]
    #23973716 - 01/01/17 05:56 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I just read about this bottom watering TEK. Maybe it might work for you.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23709670


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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: Spudveil]
    #23974025 - 01/01/17 07:42 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Dialing your FC by closing some holes (maybe with polyfill or micropore tape) might be a good idea.


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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: Tira]
    #23974173 - 01/01/17 08:46 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Change nothing. Set the dry cakes in a dish with a little water. They'll soak it up. Some more than others. They should feel like a cake does once it comes out of dunking, but a little lighter. Make it a thin layer of water as to not wash your verm off. They'll soak it up, they know what they need.

If you have 4 cakes, put them in the dish or pan or whatever for a couple hours then put them back in the chamber. If you don't see pins in a week do it one last time.

If cake 1 is super dry and light, and cake 2 is kind of dry, third is still sort of wet and fourth whichever it doesn't matter. They can only hold so much water and the network will decide how much it needs.

While your cakes are out of your FC, rehydrate your perlite and mix it around all fluffy and wet. Do not cover holes don't do anything else. Cakes in a thin layer of water a few hours, rehydrate, place cakes back inside. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also..

Put your cakes on jar lids (not rings), as you're depriving the cakes of a microclimate "casing" from your dunk/roll.. water cannot and will not evap evenly around the whole cake. Having those parts of the cakes shielded from the perlite only deprives them of one of the most important pinning triggers. Place them on the lid as close to the perlite as you can without touching.


If you're super concerned about them getting too dry, and this continues to happen, throw a tablespoon or two of wet verm on top of each cake and leave it alone.

Everyone's gonna disagree or whatever but it's stuff I've done that's worked well for me. Take it for what it's worth I guess.


Edited by Adden (01/01/17 09:51 PM)


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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: Adden] * 1
    #23974264 - 01/01/17 09:26 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

^Id take it, Adden's cakes are fkn killer.


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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23974295 - 01/01/17 09:38 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

:takingnotes:

Gonna be giving that a try for sure.


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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23974305 - 01/01/17 09:42 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Lol thanks ND. :hug: I really needed a pick-me-up today so I appreciate your kind words.

Yeah, lol, these all came from "never reroll a dying cake" and "never bottom water", or "there's no point putting wet verm on top of a cake that keeps drying out".





This guy had to be bottom watered once, then rerolled cuz it stalled (myc absorbed all the verm, no casing layer left), came out like this.



These 4 runts had to be rerolled. Obvious bacterial infection. But found a way to make it work.


People told me to throw these away, so I dunked/rolled, threw a tbsp of verm on top, and a couple days later produced.



^ You can see that even the ambient misting of other cakes caused these to become water logged.


None of this advice is by any means something anyone should do on the regular. But there are ways to fix things on a case by case basis.


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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: Adden]
    #23974338 - 01/01/17 09:56 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Oh. And don't forget. Wait 24 or 36 hours after your verm roll until you mist. They don't need any more water than they already have, and the verm will stick better. Let the myc hug it out with the verm for awhile. If you have a lot of stray verm on your perlite, you're doing it too soon or too hard. There will always be some. A proper roll with stuck verm is a bigger pinning trigger than misting something too hard that doesn't need to be misted.

I bet your foil has verm and standing water in it, and that's never a good thing, get them on lids after you rehydrate your perlite and bottom-water those cakes. Foil like that, or any standing water, is never a good thing.

The closer together cakes are, the better. They help keep each other in a nice microclimate environment, both from the perlite and from the 1mm microclimate via rolling.

I've toggled this as favorite so if you have any more questions throw them out there I hope I've been of some help.


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Re: How can I keep these cakes from drying out? [Re: Adden]
    #24000619 - 01/11/17 09:37 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

That makes sense. I kind of preemptively made the foil dishes in preparation for bottom watering, but I jumped the gun on that one. :\ I have been noticing a lot of verm knocked off, too, so that's probably not been helping things. Time to revisit CBK's writeup on dunking and rolling!


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