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What do you think tripping really is?
    #23965103 - 12/29/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've heard so many different people opinions on the neurological activity that confuses scientists beyond the sensory triggering of electromagnetic pulses in certain areas of the mind and brain with the help of serotonin and dopamine. Not specifically related to one type of hallucinogen , but the connection we feel to be able to say the least categorize them into the sub of hallucinogens in the first place. , but what in your opinion would be the best way to explain destination A-B from dose to baseline without perceiving such phenomenon as a concept of time but more or less a fragment of constructed matter within another dimension that we retain in a source ever growing consciousness that we can even pull from this dimension into our minds and build off this by typing on our computers our own personal brain's energy into a community opinion with no right or wrong but an equal amount of resource to each others replies and such, to say the least I'm asking your undivided attention to this because of the subject that i basically expect peace and respect twords each other so no hate comments bashing others opinions or beliefs, thanks in advance.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: pokitman]
    #23965170 - 12/29/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Increased communication in the brain.  Some also believe communication with spirits and spirits of various things.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: pokitman] * 1
    #23965181 - 12/29/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know what they are, but I get the sense that the things I see and places I experience during a psychedelic experience are already there, I just didn't have the ability to perceive them without the substance. Like if you had sunglasses that only allowed you to see 2 or 3 colors but you lived in a million-color-world. Psychedelics kind of remove those sunglasses and let you peek into the field of infinite experience and creativity that our current experience is but a sliver of.

Like the world you experience is one record, playing consistently.
But we actually live in a record store, with every record possible.

But we only hear that one tune.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23965320 - 12/29/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Decreased activity in the brain, allows for a different perspective than you usually have as the brain pathways connect in a different and new ways. Obviously goes much deeper than that, tripping is no different from real life though. If that's what you mean


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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: pokitman]
    #23965504 - 12/29/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

An expansion of consciousness and a quieting of the biological filters. The perspective it gives you is outside of your biology and your humanness. It's viewing everything objectively and out of context. It's a lot of things.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23965576 - 12/29/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think at least some of it is your unconscious mind projecting on the outside world due to increased connections in the brain, then being taken back in through sensory input, and thus creating a crazy mental feedback loop.

What happens when audio feedback gets too loud? Blows the speaker, same in this respect, except we could use the speaker as an analogy for your ego. :laugh:


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #23965585 - 12/29/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I think at least some of it is your unconscious mind projecting on the outside world due to increased connections in the brain,




Yes, I think like dreaming your subconscious mind paints a picture for you on your external environment. At least during part of the trip. I think this tends to happen in the beginning and then consciousness tends to expand after your subconscious mind and conscious mind communicate.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #23966257 - 12/29/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

From a neurological perspective the molecules are similar to our own endogenous DMT (dream hormone) and interact with the same neuroreceptors.  :smile:

In this sense the psychedelic experience is similar to dreaming.  :ooo:

In fact Mckenna has observed that once you smoke DMT you occasionally get the breakthrough experience in the course of dreaming.  :thumbup:

Richard Bandler of NLP fame has observed that when you take any drug your body can recreate the effects in a trance state.  Hypnotists have been recreating drunkenness for hundreds of years, for example. :cool:


The psychedelic experts including Leary, Huxley, and Mckenna drawing from the general opinion of shamanism class the psychedelic experience as a shortcut to the kind of mystical experiences known across cultures as the domain of people who are exceptionally skilled at philosophy or religion.  :sun:

Instead of meditating for 20 years we now have the technology to have these experiences at will (assuming we have a functioning nervous system and the chemicals in question).  :stoned:

Maybe a good term for modern psychedelics like LSD, Shrooms, Mescaline, cannabis and DMT would be advanced shamanic technology. :rocket:


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: pokitman]
    #23966594 - 12/29/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think the sympathomimetic effects of the psilocybin in magic mushrooms over time causes the habituation of innate responses like the fight or flight response to allow us to step back from our instinct to become more rational.

Simply put I think tripping(on shrooms) is an experience of our minds overriding our innate instincts.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: sudly]
    #23966646 - 12/29/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I believe that we have memories locked away since the dawn of time, like conscious energy. I believe tripping  (shrooms specifically) breaks down the barriers in the brain allowing access to that infinite knowledge. Allowing us to also tap into the energy that surrounds us


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: pokitman]
    #23966681 - 12/29/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know. We'd need to know so much more about the brain to even begin to speculate. I think that different psychedelics have different effects.

For example, I like the early idea that LSD acts as a kind of mental or psychological amplifier, and that these amplified experiences can have large long term impacts on users compared to non-amplified experiences.

But I don't think psilocybin is a psychological amplifier at all. More like a scrambler. And certainly there is a degree of each in both.

For psilocybin I prefer the modern idea that it shuts down the default mode network and the brain's normal filtering systems and as a result enormous amounts of information that is normally filtered is actually presented. Or possibly misrouted. Recent brain scans have shown immensely increased connectivity between normally unconnected regions of the brain under the effects of psychedelics. Perhaps the system responsible for coordinating or preventing communication between different brain regions is somehow disrupted such that signals are misrouted to areas they were never intended to reach.

But this is all just pure wild speculation. The truth is we probably won't know within our lifetimes because research of psychedelics in humans is woefully difficult and extremely rare. And furthermore we don't even understand enough about the brain to begin with to even begin to truly understand the effects of psychedelics.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: nooneman]
    #23966824 - 12/29/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

During the peak of the experience, the mechanisms in your brain that sort and condition input based on learned responses are disabled. Instead of applying various algorithms and filters to input, the input is given directly to the mind.

The majority of the experience happens during the come up and the come down, and during those times there is a mix of processed information and direct information that is presented to the mind, and these are the times when the most bazaar thinking happens. You experience pure fascination as your mind juggles it's cliche'd, learned responses and the pure instincts that come from direct information.

Psychedelics put you in a state of fascination.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: nooneman]
    #23966886 - 12/29/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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But I don't think psilocybin is a psychological amplifier at all. More like a scrambler. And certainly there is a degree of each in both.




Well psilocybin certainly is a mental amplifier in some respects, maybe not as much as or directly as LSD which is essentially a magnifying glass on the mind. I think they can both cause "confusion" but it's like the confusion from LSD comes from things being scrambled and mixed up and loopy. On shrooms the confusion comes more from not understanding what the fuck is even going on around you. It's not as surreal and disorganized as LSD it's just more peculiar and less understandable. It's almost like a primal reversion in evolution followed by an acceleration in evolution.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23967002 - 12/29/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The other side of reality the government tries to hide from you.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23967020 - 12/29/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is Huxley talking about his mescaline experience...

"Reflecting on my experience, I find myself agreeing with the eminent Cambridge philosopher, Dr. C. D. broad, "that we should do well to consider much more seriously than we have hitherto been inclined to do the type of theory which Bergson put forward in connection with memory and sense perception. The suggestion is that the function of the brain and nervous system and sense organs is in the main eliminative and not productive. Each person is at each moment capable of remembering all that has ever happened to him and of perceiving everything that is happening everywhere in the universe. The function of the brain and nervous system is to protect us from being overwhelmed and confused by this mass of largely useless and irrelevant knowledge, by shutting out most of what we should otherwise perceive or remember at any moment, and leaving only that very small and special selection which is likely to be practically useful." According to such a theory, each one of us is potentially Mind at Large. But in so far as we are animals, our business is at all costs to survive. To make biological survival possible, Mind at Large has to be funneled through the reducing valve of the brain and nervous system. What comes out at the other end is a measly trickle of the kind of consciousness which will help us to stay alive on the surface of this particular planet."

So basically, our body acts as a funnel for consciousness so that we can have a human experience. When we ingest a psychedelic, we are climbing back up that funnel just a little bit and we are touching base with the Collective Us, with Mind at Large. That's how I like to look at tripping.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: Shroomyhead]
    #23967048 - 12/29/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The suggestion is that the function of the brain and nervous system and sense organs is in the main eliminative and not productive.




Yes!

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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23967286 - 12/30/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think there has to be a distinction though, between tripping in a darkened room and tripping in the outside world. Both have entirely different effects which although may be caused by the same mechanisms, i believe should be distinguished in any analysis.

If when tripping in a dark room, i have visions, experiences etc (call them what you will) where i am sitting at a table having a conversation i had several months ago with a friend BUT i am sitting in my friend's body, watching and experiencing myself talking and feeling what my friend was feeling in response to my words, then there is a connectedness - to everything and everyone.

This as opposed to the shut down of various mental processes which filter out visual and auditory information in the outside world, allowing us to experience reality literally in a whole new and curious sense(s). One feels like a curious child scientist akin to Harry Potter.

How this all happens is a mystery to me.

Has anyone actually asked the Shroom?


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: MushroomBilly]
    #23968392 - 12/30/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Terrence Mckenna often speaks about a theory regarding shrooms as an advanced alien race.  :mushroom2:

According to the theory they could have genetically engineered themselves into mushrooms (natures recyclers) and launched some of the spores into space.  :rocket:

Psilocybin mushroom spores could have drifted on inter-stellar currents and possibly landed on other planets (like ours).  :sun:

The mushrooms grow in rings of fruiting bodies with a vast interconnected network of mycelium underground. ::thumbup:

These mycelium are of course filled with psilocybin and psilocin. :mushroom2:

These two tryptamine based alkaloids are similar enough to our own neurotransmitter DMT to act on the same receptors in our brain (creating the psychedelic response at a chemical level).:stoned:

Mckenna points out that these giant webs of mycelium are filled with these "neurotransmitters." :cool:

This could lead us to reason that the shrooms could be an advanced alien race capable of interstellar travel (using only sustainable energy) and surviving on other living planets (as a decomposing/ recycling species) and possess giant underground brains (in the form of mycelium filled with psilocybin and psilocin).:blush:

Mckenna reasons that if this theory is true then the psychedelic experience on shrooms is contact with a largely beneficent alien race, with considerable more sensibility and intelligence then ourselves.  :heart:


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: psychedelicliz]
    #23968456 - 12/30/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Very interesting thread.

What I think has been said, more or less.

But I will add that I think there are definite levels, like there are definite levels to electron energy around a nucleus, in that you have to jump from one level to another coherent, stable level, that you can't just sit inbetween. REAL levels, in this DESIGNED, PURPOSEFUL world we exist in. You can get there on your own, to some of them, but mushroom trips and DMT trips take you way, way up into the really overwhelming levels.


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Re: What do you think tripping really is? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23968736 - 12/30/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ànother parallel dimension that accesses our neurological connections


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