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Jigs
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Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids?
#23964316 - 12/28/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just wanted to clear something up here. I hope you can help me with this quick question.
Im going to make some lids to avoid the verm layer. For a higer succesrate. Lost 3/4 of my last batch to contam. The last one is still colonizing. I have some clues about what went wrong, just want to ensure myself much as possible. And I'm going to make that last juice in my syringe count, so that I can get a flush and do a print. Then the real experiments can begin and also in the future moving on from PF.
Been heavily reasearching here for the last 2 days.
I see some people permanently attaching their Ez felt or Tyvek/combo of those, to their lids. However, I understand that they do not hold for very long and has to be replaced. SFD's are hard to find/get in my area.
So how would you seal these alternative GE filters to your jars?
Ez felt/Tyvek with a couple of strings of micropore tape over it? A sandwich maybe?
Thought was to do a 1/4 hole in the middle for the GE filter and ofc the 3-4 1/8 innoc points with silicone.
Can't get Kerr or Ball jars here, so I use 230 ml widemotuh jars with screw lids. So can't use the double layer pf lid tek.
Hope you can clear this up for noobie me. Hard to find this exact info. Been trying. Ty!
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Jigs]
#23964325 - 12/28/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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really really Good TC called Gr0wer made this video...just click to start it...tells you what you want to know...exactly what.
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Edited by Mycologist217 (12/28/16 11:38 PM)
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23964344 - 12/28/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Growers videos are the shit dude
Honestly imo he may be the best mush farmer youtuber.
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Jigs
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23964371 - 12/28/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice video. Would have been the solution if not only my lids weren't made of metal. hehe. Should have mentioned that. But thx for your answer!
Edited by Jigs (12/29/16 12:04 AM)
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Jigs
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Jigs]
#23964415 - 12/29/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Going to do something like this:

Only If the alternative GE filters are not durable and only lasts for 2-3 cycles through the PC, it would'nt be very convenient to seal them on permanently like that.
I have seen contradictory posts about the durability of these alternative GE filters. Hard to know what is up and down. :/
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Jigs]
#23964421 - 12/29/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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invest in the plastic lids...they are cheap and far superior to metal
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Jigs
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23964442 - 12/29/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I guess I could look out for some plastic lids, that fits my jars.
I just ordered another batch of them, lol.
They look like this:

If you guys have any other suggestions to what I'd might do, it would be highly appreciated!
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Jigs]
#23964767 - 12/29/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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IME plastic lids suck balls you need to use something where the thread is at so that it seals 100%.
The answer to your question is RTV. High temp gasket sealer. I have lids made with ez felt and rtv that have been through 1000's of pc cycles
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23964777 - 12/29/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
olskoolgrower said: IME plastic lids suck balls you need to use something where the thread is at so that it seals 100%.
The answer to your question is RTV. High temp gasket sealer. I have lids made with ez felt and rtv that have been through 1000's of pc cycles
How 1000s of cycles. Even slurry your spawn and reused the same jar to pc every 3 days your still talking about it working same in pc for ten years. Even sfd dont last that long in consistent use and spore load
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: tump]
#23964793 - 12/29/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
tump said:
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olskoolgrower said: IME plastic lids suck balls you need to use something where the thread is at so that it seals 100%.
The answer to your question is RTV. High temp gasket sealer. I have lids made with ez felt and rtv that have been through 1000's of pc cycles
How 1000s of cycles. Even slurry your spawn and reused the same jar to pc every 3 days your still talking about it working same in pc for ten years. Even sfd dont last that long in consistent use and spore load
Ive been growing over 25 years. I grow alot. Yes 1000's of cycles. Consistent use yes spore load no. IDK about you but I personally dont get spores until after I fruit. Me and my friend ran a small oyster farm for about a year or so. Now that was sporeload we had to go out and clean out everything weekly cause our room would get so covered in spores that the fans would start clogging up.
 The lids on the bottom i made in '01-02 the ones on the top were just made several months ago. Bottom ones are sfd material rtv'd while the top ones are ez felt
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Jigs
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965689 - 12/29/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice to know! This is what i have been talking about. Seen experienced growers advocating both sides of this. Some say that their EZ felt lasts very long and some say they have to be replaced after a couple of times in the PC, because the pores close, hindering GE. hehe.
Well lids aint that expensive if something goes wrong anyway, after a couple of times through the PC. The whole idea is to get a good first flush going. But having durable lids would be a bonus. Do you think you could just seal the Ez felt with micropore tape?
How thick is your EZ felt?
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Jigs]
#23965692 - 12/29/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Jigs said:
How thick is your EZ felt?
I believe its 2 mm
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Jigs
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965708 - 12/29/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aight, good to know. Thx bud!
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Jigs]
#23966666 - 12/29/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't want to call anyone out persay but you are giving people credit for being experienced growers that don't really have the credentials here to back the claim....there is a rating system on this forum where people can give ratings based on quality of contribution to the forums and the experience they share...just because someone wants to say they have 25 years cultivation experience after getting called put about a bogus 1000PC cycle lid....but that's coming from a user who registered this week and has no ratings or grow log history here...qualify people for the experience they claim to have...dont just take it for granted they are being honest....and if I had been using a product for 25 years....there would be no "I believe" about it...but rather...its definitely this...
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23966671 - 12/29/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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PS...i have metal lids that have only been through 4-5 PC cycles that look way more worn down then his 15 year old lids above...
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23966753 - 12/29/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Mycologist217 said: I don't want to call anyone out persay but you are giving people credit for being experienced growers that don't really have the credentials here to back the claim....there is a rating system on this forum where people can give ratings based on quality of contribution to the forums and the experience they share...just because someone wants to say they have 25 years cultivation experience after getting called put about a bogus 1000PC cycle lid....but that's coming from a user who registered this week and has no ratings or grow log history here...qualify people for the experience they claim to have...dont just take it for granted they are being honest....and if I had been using a product for 25 years....there would be no "I believe" about it...but rather...its definitely this...

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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: cronicr]
#23967021 - 12/29/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Since you mentioned you are using a verm layer I take you are using BRF cakes with a layer of verm on top. I hate to say it but if you are having problems with the BRF/verm a different lid may not help. Are you using a SAB? A jar with an upside down lid will work just fine without all the fancy.... How do you think your contam got in?
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Jigs
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Orbit]
#23969049 - 12/30/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, doing BRF cakes with verm layer on top.
As of today I have lost my fourth jar. So sad.. There were such good colonization going on.. All the contamination occured on the top layer, where sub and verm met. I used an SAB, flamed the needle, the whole thing, wiped with iso etc.
I believe the cause for my contaminations were because the cakes, oddly enough, shrunk. This caused the verm layer to descent at the edges of the jar, exposing the sub. Thats 1 theory.
The second theory, is that the verm layer got a little wet after the PC, even though i used foil tightly wrapped over the lids.
I believe the first theory to be the thing here, because after PC'ed I noticed dry bits of verm had fallen down the sides.
But, now i have nearly gathered all those materials for 3-4 RTV SHIP's and GE tyvek filter in the middle.
Would you recommend a tyvek GE filter, similar to that of Hamloaf's? Tyvek - micropore tape - tyvek - micropore tape. Or maybe just one layer tyvek and micropore tape?
Also going to do a couple of jars with verm layer and micropore tape over the innoc holes, then PC, then adding a fresh piece to cover the innoc wound. I am going to be absolutely sure this time. Also going to use the top half of the tyvek coverall when innoccing. 
Feedback highly appreciated! Ty guys!
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Jigs
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23969110 - 12/30/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I get your point. I'm just happy to recieve answers though. If any of you experienced shroomers out there got some advice for me, I would be very happy.
Finding plastic lids, which are autoclaveable and fits my lids, will be a hard task. So I am going to stick with the metal lids for now.
I just want to make this work, so I can do a damn print.. Then there will be more room for testing and error.
Edited by Jigs (12/30/16 08:12 PM)
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Jigs]
#23969132 - 12/30/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mycologist217 gave the best answer with the video from Gr0wer.. Gr0wer grows edibles that he sells to restaurants so he needs lids that work and a jar lost to contams due a faulty lid is money out of his pocket..
Plus lids are cheap.. If you do a run and don't like them then try something new.. Or you can always rip off the felt and go with the good old ball of polyfil
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Jigs
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: keifnnugs]
#23969161 - 12/30/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aye, but.. Read my earlier comment about plastic lids. 
Id'll be metal lids for now.
Can't find polyfil around here either, so it'll be Tyvek from a Tyvek coverall or EZ felt.
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Jigs]
#23969461 - 12/30/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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your theory on your dry verm layer being wet is probably spot on...make sure you dry your jars lips with a paper towel before putting the dry verm layer in...past that you shouldnt need a modified lid for PF tek...i recommend reading my PF tek grow logs linked in my sig...they will help you!
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23969463 - 12/30/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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the only thing you do for PF tek is the dry verm layer...if you do it right it is all the filter you need....
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Jigs
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Re: Proper sealing of EZ Felt or Tyvek GE Filters onto jar lids? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23969567 - 12/30/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aight thx, Mycologist! I will take a look at them. I followed Roadkill's instructions to start with.
I think i'll be doing a new batch, and then i'll apply some Micropore tape.I bought it soo.. It'll help keep out big particles and ofc i'll also add a dry verm layer. Right now, I want to be super strict. I know the ordinary verm layer is usually OK. But as i said; Need dat print. 
I'll do a couple of fancy lids also though, with Hamloaf's filter tek, since i've shopped for it now. hehe.
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