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What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ?
#23960942 - 12/27/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I bought truffles from a site and I notice that they are different from mushrooms etc. What's the difference?
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Aleks]
#23960960 - 12/27/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lucky, they say truffles are more potent and easier too digest.
They grow differently, they grow subterrainally or in the substrate.
Truffles are illegal in US.
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Deemstar]
#23960965 - 12/27/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They have the same substance so it's all good )) My 2 first trip were on truffles, and they were awesome 
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Warrior_Monk] 1
#23961165 - 12/27/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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truffles grow underground, mushrooms grow above ground.
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23961281 - 12/27/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushrooms most generally means cubensis. commercial psychedelic truffles are a different species: mexicana.
most commonly truffles are sold as 15 grams fresh for one dose and cubensis are sold as 3.5 grams dry for one dose.
the difference in trips between cubensis and sclerotia (truffles) is significant. cubensis are IME more mindfucky and can really take someone down a psychedelic worm hole any more than a few grams above 3.5g dry. while truffles contain different percentages/ratios of psychedelic compounds, meaning a fundamentally different trip, I would say is way more forgiving even in higher doses up to the 20 gram range and only approaches comparable "level 3 (~~3.5g cubes)" (if you have to put it to those terms) at over 30g fresh, IME.
(tl;dr: 3.5g dry cubensis could be equated to 30 fresh grams truffles (but this as a rough comparison as the trips are inherently different))
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: filthyknees]
#23962325 - 12/28/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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filthyknees said: mushrooms most generally means cubensis. commercial psychedelic truffles are a different species: mexicana.
most commonly truffles are sold as 15 grams fresh for one dose and cubensis are sold as 3.5 grams dry for one dose.
the difference in trips between cubensis and sclerotia (truffles) is significant. cubensis are IME more mindfucky and can really take someone down a psychedelic worm hole any more than a few grams above 3.5g dry. while truffles contain different percentages/ratios of psychedelic compounds, meaning a fundamentally different trip, I would say is way more forgiving even in higher doses up to the 20 gram range and only approaches comparable "level 3 (~~3.5g cubes)" (if you have to put it to those terms) at over 30g fresh, IME.
(tl;dr: 3.5g dry cubensis could be equated to 30 fresh grams truffles (but this as a rough comparison as the trips are inherently different))
Would you be able to expound upon experiences with sclerocia.. I am very interested to know the differences.
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Acquario]
#23962333 - 12/28/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will try to bro
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Aleks]
#23962434 - 12/28/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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filthyknees said: mushrooms most generally means cubensis. commercial psychedelic truffles are a different species: mexicana.
most commonly truffles are sold as 15 grams fresh for one dose and cubensis are sold as 3.5 grams dry for one dose.
the difference in trips between cubensis and sclerotia (truffles) is significant. cubensis are IME more mindfucky and can really take someone down a psychedelic worm hole any more than a few grams above 3.5g dry. while truffles contain different percentages/ratios of psychedelic compounds, meaning a fundamentally different trip, I would say is way more forgiving even in higher doses up to the 20 gram range and only approaches comparable "level 3 (~~3.5g cubes)" (if you have to put it to those terms) at over 30g fresh, IME.
(tl;dr: 3.5g dry cubensis could be equated to 30 fresh grams truffles (but this as a rough comparison as the trips are inherently different))
I've only used cubensis a couple times but to me they seem very similar. I did feel like the cubensis trips came more in waves, at least a bit more so than with truffles.
Just a word of caution before people start taking 30 grams, potency can vary a lot depending on the strain and on how long the grower let the truffles mature. 30 grams could potentially be much stronger than 3.5g cubes.
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: CosmicPenguin]
#23962453 - 12/28/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicPenguin said:
Just a word of caution before people start taking 30 grams, potency can vary a lot depending on the strain and on how long the grower let the truffles mature. 30 grams could potentially be much stronger than 3.5g cubes.
Do heed this warning.
I was conditioned to consume 20g or so on a frequent basis when they were sold legally in the U.K., but tried only 5g of a much longer maturing truffle and it was something else entirely. Not too enjoyable. Double vision, sickness and underlying concern. Educational though, so good in its own sense.
The Old type in the U.K. Was a stimulating, social feeling whereas the matured truffle was a complete introversion to the strength of around 4g dried mushrooms.
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Acquario]
#23962471 - 12/28/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Acquario said:
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filthyknees said: mushrooms most generally means cubensis. commercial psychedelic truffles are a different species: mexicana.
most commonly truffles are sold as 15 grams fresh for one dose and cubensis are sold as 3.5 grams dry for one dose.
the difference in trips between cubensis and sclerotia (truffles) is significant. cubensis are IME more mindfucky and can really take someone down a psychedelic worm hole any more than a few grams above 3.5g dry. while truffles contain different percentages/ratios of psychedelic compounds, meaning a fundamentally different trip, I would say is way more forgiving even in higher doses up to the 20 gram range and only approaches comparable "level 3 (~~3.5g cubes)" (if you have to put it to those terms) at over 30g fresh, IME.
(tl;dr: 3.5g dry cubensis could be equated to 30 fresh grams truffles (but this as a rough comparison as the trips are inherently different))
Would you be able to expound upon experiences with sclerocia.. I am very interested to know the differences.
I've tried sclerotia doses such as mirco dose, 5g, 7g, 10g, 15g, 20g, 22g, 25g, 30g fresh. to me all below the 30g fresh was far more easily managed (more able to socialize and not have reality be totally torn away) than cubensis trips where an eighth on an empty stomach with zero tolerance can sweep me off my feet (no matter how many dozens of eights I've eaten).
I've grown a fair amount of sclerotia over the years and have tripping parties where I have five to ten or so friends over and dose them, for these social aspects although I would say sclerotia may not bring someone to as deep of an experience they are great for 1) noobies who might loose their shit if you give them an eighth of cubes and 2) experienced trippers who like to interact socially. I started total psychedelic noobies on 22g fresh sclerotia and all had a great time and asked to go higher next time
rodgerrabbit and stonesun are two big names in the cultivation boards and both say their favorite species to eat is sclerotia.
here's a link to a large slcerotia cultivators assessment of the dose ranges https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15375097#15375097
thats about as specific as I feel like being right now, waking up..
dude above me says 5g truffles was like 4g dried cubes... riiiiiiiight 'old style' 'uk' truffles are different don't listen to him hes a bible freak. 'do heed this warning'
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: filthyknees]
#23962621 - 12/28/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think talking about grams is meaningless unless you know what strain you are talking about. 22 grams of a weaker variety can make for a fun, social trip but 22 grams of the strongest varieties is a whole another story. Unless you count conversations with your living room plant as social interaction.
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: CosmicPenguin]
#23962724 - 12/28/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah lets just never mention gram dosage comparison again cause it's pointless.
psych....
anyone who has any experience beyond total novice tripper knows the range of effects even doses from the same genetic can give to different people in different environments. it's never as simple as 4 units of one = exactly the effects of 7 grams of another, there's no need to spell it out because it's obvious. we're talking generalities, to give someone a general sense.
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: filthyknees]
#23962757 - 12/28/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im talking about Psylocibe Alien Truffles thats how they are called and its said they are very strong
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Aleks]
#23962766 - 12/28/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah dude that's a brand name, it's not an actual species.
it's like calling it 'stargazer' or 'dream weaver' or whatever, it's doesn't change that it's mexicana sclerotia, you just got played by some marketing ploy like yeah man this 'alien' shit is really strong.
there's no such thing as 'alien truffles'
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: filthyknees]
#23962772 - 12/28/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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filthyknees said: yeah dude that's a brand name, it's not an actual species.
it's like calling it 'stargazer' or 'dream weaver' or whatever, it's doesn't change that it's mexicana sclerotia, you just got played by some marketing ploy like yeah man this 'alien' shit is really strong.
there's no such thing as 'alien truffles'
didn't shrooms came from outer space tho?
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Warrior_Monk]
#23962795 - 12/28/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh yeah. much love and light zen cosmic brother traveler these alien shrooms are realz from the mother cosmos -- that'll just be 45 bucks and 20 for the trans-nebula import tax
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: filthyknees]
#23965359 - 12/29/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are a bunch of 'varieties' like that. Alien, Utopia, Hollandia to name a few. Although the marketing is gimmicky you can expect them to be two to three times stronger than the standard mexicana truffles.
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: CosmicPenguin]
#23965571 - 12/29/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can expect that but I wouldn't
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Re: What's the difference between TRUFFLES and MUSHROOMS ? [Re: Aleks]
#23974081 - 01/01/17 08:01 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Interesting thread...
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I bought truffles from a site and I notice that they are different from mushrooms etc. What's the difference?
Like Peyote Road says, "truffles grow underground, mushrooms grow above ground."
Or to be a bit more specific, this is the way I understand it:
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Mushrooms grow above the ground (where they can release spores to allow reproduction), but the majority of the fungus they form part of is actually underground, looking like thin white plant roots, in a fibrous mat called a mycelium. With certain types of mushroom, sclerotia can form underground within the mycelium. Sclerotia store nutrients in a hard, compact ball shape. During environmental conditions that are not good for the mycelium (e.g a dry summer), the sclerotia can survive underground and re-start growth when conditions improve.
(that's from an old Sclerotia FAQ I posted on another website).
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filthynees wrote: commercial psychedelic truffles are a different species: mexicana.
Not all truffles are mexicana - galindoi and tampanensis are separate species, but all are within the "section mexicanae":
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Stonesun wrote: Mexicanae is a section in the Psilocybe genus. Some species in this section produce sclerotia, like P. mexicana, P. tampanensis and P. galindoi, just to name the "infamous three". When you refer to "ATL#7" it is actually P. galindoi, so yes, that's part of the Mexicanae too. A/B/Jalisco are variants of P. mexicana.
(from Noteworthy differences, if any, between Galindoi (ATL #7) and Mexicana sclerotia)
Having said that, most other names for sclerotia are just made-up for commercial reasons like filthyknees says, although there are genuine differences in potency between different products...

Back to the original question - the most important difference between truffles (sclerotia) and mushrooms when you are tripping is that the potency of sclerotia varies a lot. If someone says "I ate 3.5g cubes" you have a reasonable idea what kind of trip they are talking about. If someone says "I ate 15g sclerotia" they could be talking about a very weak or a very strong trip (or more likely something in-between).
I think some of the sclerotia species may tend to be more potent than others, also there is a probably a certain amount of random variation in potency within the same species. The length of cultivation time is very important - the commercial varieties marketed as being the strongest are generally cultivated for longer than average (and then given new made-up names.....).
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filthyknees wrote: most commonly truffles are sold as 15 grams fresh for one dose and cubensis are sold as 3.5 grams dry for one dose.the difference in trips between cubensis and sclerotia (truffles) is significant. cubensis are IME more mindfucky and can really take someone down a psychedelic worm hole any more than a few grams above 3.5g dry. while truffles contain different percentages/ratios of psychedelic compounds, meaning a fundamentally different trip, I would say is way more forgiving even in higher doses up to the 20 gram range and only approaches comparable "level 3 (~~3.5g cubes)" (if you have to put it to those terms) at over 30g fresh, IME.
Interesting. I think the main difference here is not that cubensis are any more 'mindfucky' but simply that 15g of typical commercial sclerotia is very unlikely to contain the same underlying dose as 3.5g of decent cubes. I suspect the differences ultimately boil down to the amount of psilocin in your bloodstream more than anything else.
It's difficult to accurately compare the potency of sclerotia to cubes; I made a stab at it by devising a kind of potency variation chart:
1g cubes = 3g ultra strong sclerotia 1g cubes = 4g very strong sclerotia 1g cubes = 5g strong sclerotia 1g cubes = 6g medium+ sclerotia 1g cubes = 7g medium- sclerotia 1g cubes = 8g mild sclerotia 1g cubes = 9g weak sclerotia 1g cubes = 10g very weak sclerotia
(posted in this thread about truffle dosage).
I suspect a lot of generic commercial sclerotia is at the medium/mild end of the spectrum, although there is some decently strong stuff about judging from some of the reports on hollandia e.t.c.
I would agree that it's not uncommon to need 30g+ of sclerotia for a strong trip, but it's possible to cultivate sclerotia which is significantly stronger - on rare occasions 15g can be enough to provide a scarily intense trip (e.g An Indirect Way to Experience Egypt). The same product nowadays is a lot milder, you might even say it was inherently different, but it's just that the potency has dropped....
I wouldn't necessarily say there was no difference at all between cubes and sclerotia, but if you are consuming a comparable amount of actives, the differences are fairly subtle. If you take a decent dose of either you will go down the same rabbit hole!

My normal way of tripping on sclerotia is to split the dose; perhaps 22g high hawaiians followed by 15g dragon's dynamite 90 minutes later for a decently long, strong trip. There is a sudden drop off where a small increase in dosage can make a big difference to the trip, and it can be difficult to judge. I wouldn't recommend this kind of dosage to anyone who wasn't already a fairly experienced tripper, as 30g+ is putting you on the brink of a very heavy delusional mindfuck.
A few months back I tried 20g dragon's with a redose of another 20g which started off surprisingly mild and then produced some nice OEV and a pleasant high just when I thought I was wasting my time. The next trip I tried 22g of high hawaiians followed by 20g dragon's for the redose.........complete mindfuck where I got mixed up in a film I'd watched a few days previously and thought I was going back in time to 1945. Not especially pleasant.
22g of the hawaiian's on their own usually gives me a fairly dreamy, soporific experience which is strong but fairly short-lasting, like falling half-asleep and melting into some kind of alien superstructure within my CEV. It's obviously stronger then the dragon's, but less pleasant to eat (if I had to guess I'd speculate it was gnarly old tampanensis, with dragon's being ATL#7).
There's a massive difference to the trip as you increase the dose which dwarfs any difference I noticed between sclerotia, cubes and even pans cyans (although I've not had enough trips on mushrooms to make a proper comparison).
I've also had strong differences between different trips on sclerotia, as if a different batch was almost a different drug. Ultimately it's very difficult to be sure of genuine qualitative differences when significant quantative differences in dose may be present, and you are tripping on a psychedelic drug.
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