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Shrooms and significant others
    #23960939 - 12/27/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi, what's up everybody. I just joined this forum as I'm looking into researching mushrooms in the near future. I've actually thought about it for years but finally decided to do it after reading up on it some more.

As for my question, those of you who have wives/girlfriends and kids what do they think about it? I wondering if I'm stupid trying to start at this time in my life? I just want to hear some opinions of what you guys have to say. Thanks.


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Re: Shrooms and significant others [Re: Bluetang99]
    #23960964 - 12/27/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Keep it away from the kids as best as you can, they tend to talk without realizing what they're saying. Spouses/GF's, each one is different. My wife helps me out with my stuff, other people hide it from the s8gnificant others.


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Re: Shrooms and significant others [Re: thebug76]
    #23960992 - 12/27/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Could I keep the jars/tote in an armoire type of closet? That's the place I think would be safest although he's only two and we always keep an eye on him.


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Re: Shrooms and significant others [Re: Bluetang99]
    #23961091 - 12/27/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Keep them in a room with the door locked if you got kids running around, safest thing I can think of other than just not having them.


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Re: Shrooms and significant others [Re: thebug76]
    #23961149 - 12/27/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

OK sounds good.


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Re: Shrooms and significant others [Re: Bluetang99] * 3
    #23962099 - 12/28/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm married and grew a few batches while my kids were in their pre-teen years.  Then I switched to just buying novel lysergamides since it was eaiser, though I still might go back to growing if those go away.

I actually purchased a lot of things like pre-sterilized spawn bags so I didn't have to do nearly as much at home prep.  I also used modified monotubs with holes only in the backside.  They didn't flush as evenly as regular tubs, but they still worked well and when placed on a high shelf in my bedroom closet they looked like regular storage containers.

I was fortunate in that I've always been interested in these kind of things and my wife has even tripped a few times.  Even so, she would sometimes get a little bitchy and try to tell me what I was and was not allowed to do.  Then we'd have to have a big fight where I explained that I was more than just the family ATM, that if nobody actually cared about the things that are important to me, then I felt no obligation to care for the family.  Harsh but true, and women do sometimes have a double standard whereby you are expected to be supportive of them, but they think they are your mother.

Eventually I trained my wife in how to have a respectful relationship as equal adults.  After that it was as simple as explaining that something was important to me, and if it was important to me the family should try to at least allow me to pursue it.

In all honesty I probably would not stay with anyone who expected me to be a submissive, obedient, and law abiding citizen.  It isn't me, and anybody who expected me to act differently than I truly am obviously does actually love or care about me, but instead only cares about what I can do for them.  Of course, like I've said, I've always been this way and my wife was well aware of it before we got married.  She fucked up a little bit by assuming I might eventually grow up and be happy as a normal person and obedient citizen.  Though we eventually worked it out and now I can do almost anything I want.

As far as my kids go, they were too young to really understand or catch on to my growing operation.  A lot of people might have said that such things put my whole family in jeopardy and could have ruined my kids lives if their father went to prison.  On the other hand I feel like it is important to teach my children that we shouldn't be afraid to pursue our interests, and we should not just fold and follow the orders of our overlords out of fear for what might happen.

Had I gotten in trouble it would have been a valuable lesson in the ways of the world.  To see an obviously kind, caring, and peaceful person, somone they loved and trusted hauled away for exploring prohibited states of mind could have shown my children things about our society that most adults still do not understand.

Now, as my kids enter their teenage years I'm trying to allow them to find their own way.  If they want to take a more conventonal path through life I will support that.  If they want to become rebellious and troublesome little bastards, I'd secretly be happy.

What I won't do is allow the be compeltely oblivious to the state of our nation.  When opportunities arise I make sure to point out the ways in which we like to talk about freedom, yet our government still attempts to control and influence us.  Whether or not they choose to experiment with psychedelics, they will have a more realistic understanding of the issues than conventionally raised children do.

I mean pretty much every movie ever, when the government gets involved it makes things worse.  I make sure to point that out, along with explaining that the typical rebel vs. evil empire/overlord dynamic has some similarities with our world today.  I encourage them to always listen to themselves instead of just following standard practices or rules and regulations.

Basically my kids know that I side with the outlaws.  They hopefully also see that I have always been quite fair and supportive of them.  They should be able to understand that our civil wars aren't waged on disposalable "bad guys" but rather on human beings, people very much like their own father.

My kids and I have actually had many adventures and done lots of interesting things that many other kids never get to do.  They know that I am a little bit unique and not afraid to color outside the lines of life.  As they become teenagers themselves, hopefully they will realize that campaigns for law and order are often attempts to force unique invididuals under the umbrella of normal behavior and officially sanctioned approaches to life.  They should know that imiting people's freedom affects people like their dad who was always a fun,and dare I say cool person to hang around.

Basically, I did my best to shape my family into a group of well informed and respectful human beings.  Because of that, they had better never judge myself or anyone else for mostly harmless lifestyle choices like using psychedelics.

My wife and kids probably have it better than most people.  Not only do I support them finacially, but I am also very fair and supportive of them personally.  Deep down they sort of realize this, and therfore won't give me shit when I decide to order some more paper products or break out my old monotubs.


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Re: Shrooms and significant others [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23962267 - 12/28/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Drugs are bad mkay?!


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Re: Shrooms and significant others [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23962269 - 12/28/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I was fortunate in that I've always been interested in these kind of things and my wife has even tripped a few times.  Even so, she would sometimes get a little bitchy and try to tell me what I was and was not allowed to do.  Then we'd have to have a big fight where I explained that I was more than just the family ATM, that if nobody actually cared about the things that are important to me, then I felt no obligation to care for the family.  Harsh but true, and women do sometimes have a double standard whereby you are expected to be supportive of them, but they think they are your mother.

Eventually I trained my wife in how to have a respectful relationship as equal adults.  After that it was as simple as explaining that something was important to me, and if it was important to me the family should try to at least allow me to pursue it.





so what you're saying is that you had no concern for the safety and well being of
your kids, you had no respect for them or your wife because you wanted to trip and
your own desires should be placed above your responsibilities and obligations

had something happened and you ended up caught with the mushrooms, growing them no
less, where would your wife and kids be? did you not think about them and placing
them above your own desire to get high


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Re: Shrooms and significant others [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23962490 - 12/28/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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AllGreyThumbs said:
I was fortunate in that I've always been interested in these kind of things and my wife has even tripped a few times.  Even so, she would sometimes get a little bitchy and try to tell me what I was and was not allowed to do.  Then we'd have to have a big fight where I explained that I was more than just the family ATM, that if nobody actually cared about the things that are important to me, then I felt no obligation to care for the family.  Harsh but true, and women do sometimes have a double standard whereby you are expected to be supportive of them, but they think they are your mother.

Eventually I trained my wife in how to have a respectful relationship as equal adults.  After that it was as simple as explaining that something was important to me, and if it was important to me the family should try to at least allow me to pursue it.





so what you're saying is that you had no concern for the safety and well being of
your kids, you had no respect for them or your wife because you wanted to trip and
your own desires should be placed above your responsibilities and obligations

had something happened and you ended up caught with the mushrooms, growing them no
less, where would your wife and kids be? did you not think about them and placing
them above your own desire to get high




So what you are saying is that you think it is ok for one spouse to dictate what the other is permitted to be interested in?  Are you also saying that you would want your kids to be little pushovers that always follow all the rules, even if the rules are wrong, and drop to their knees when big scary men go, "Boo."

I want a fair, respectful, and equal partnership with my wife.  I want to teach my kids how to live the lives the truly want, and not be controlled fear.  I also want them to understand that we live in a land that talks about freedom, but then oppresses people for exploring unapproved states of mind.

Nothing would make that more clear than to witness first hand what this war on psychedelics are all about.  A less than ideal way to teach that lesson, but one that would forever shape them and everything they did on their own lives.  They would know the bullshit of the war on drugs, the oppression of the counterculture, and they would carry that knowledge into every single interaction and voting booth in their entire lives.

If some kid's dad is a soldier and dies in a fight for everyone's freedom, how is that any different than a guy who refuses to submit to oppression and goes to prison for it.  I care so much about the human race that I would probably die or go to prison rather than let people be oppressed.  My family should be proud of and respect that.  If they don't, that is their misunderstanding, and I can't allow it to be a factor in my own subservience.

A family's possible suffering should not be the leverage by which the entire human race is held in check.  That's how they control us.  They make everybody too afraid to do anything but go along with the oppression.  Many people see the problem, but who will be the ones to put themselves at risk to challenge the system?  I, as a leader in the family cannot allow us to be so selfish that we place our petty interested above the good of every other human being.

Seriously, read my signature.  I swear to god, a large part of the reason I'm even involved in drugs is because they are prohibited.  I feel like if I am obligated to resist this oppression and participate in the culture that our overlord would love to stamp out of existence.

Besides, what is the point of raising kids just to see them enter into a world where people are essentially oppressed economic slaves and don't even know it.  It's like taking care of the plantation so your children know where they will live versus causing trouble and trying to win real freedom.

I'm actually a very selfless person.  This is hard to explain, but by allowing my wife and kids to disregard the things that I want I was allowing them, or teaching them to be self serving in other aspects of their life.  I can't teach them that it is normal to completely disregard what another member of the family wants or needs to do.

Everybody counts, Mom, kids, and yes even crazy old free thinking and rebellious dad.  I make sacrifices every day for them.  I would expect that if I need to do something, something I feel is important, they would consider my needs.

I mean if my family actually stops and says, "I wonder what dad wants?" then nine times out of ten I'll probably just say, "Whatever."

On the other hand if they don't even pause to think of me at all, then I have to call them on it.  Not for me, but because that is training them to be disrespectful to other people.  I mean if you don't want me to do drugs or anything else the best thing that you can do is to allow me to do them.  Then I'll think, “Wow, these folks really care about me, which make me care even more about them.  Maybe I should be careful not to hurt them.”


On the other hand, tell me I am not allowed to do something and I'll just say, “Yea, fuck you.  No human being has a right to tell another how to live.  So now I have to do this thing just to know that I am free.”

I doubt you will believe me, but a lot of what I do has very little to do with my own selfish desires, and everything to do with holding in place a little corner of the world where freedom actually means something, and everyone, including me is treated fairly.  In my home you can see a little glimpse of what an ideal world would look like.  Everybody is treated fairly and respected, and we are all free to explore life in whatever ways call to us.  It wasn't easy to achieve this, but I'm modestly successful.  I'm holding a place of true peace and civility amongst the swirling tides of human shit and self interest.

Actually the more I think about it the more I'm a little bit ashamed for you.  You hang around a psychedelic forum, but then you advocate teaching children and families to live in fear and allow that to dictate how they live their lives.  There are more important things than keeping your single ass out of prison, or placing your tiny idea of a "family" over the larger human community that needs to be allowed to explore and evolve.

Are you afraid they might destroy you if you step out of line?  Then that is exactly why we must step out of line and throw them a big middle finger.  If my kids learn that lesson I will be a proud father, and maybe just maybe you will someday enjoy a freer world that people other than yourself and your family took risks to build.

I mean how many dumb ass cliche movies and stories tell kids to be themselves, live true to their convictions, and/or stand up for what is right?  Then I'm supposed to tell them by my own actions, "Oh no, nevermind all that.  Just live in fear, always play it safe, and do what is expected."

I'm sorry but I care too much to do that to them.  In many ways I grew for them.  I grew to defend their passions and freedom as much as mine, and for the hope of a more free, peaceful, and sustainable world for them to someday inherit.


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