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Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake?
#23960936 - 12/27/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey there, I'm about a month into my first grow. With help from a more experienced partner and research on shroomery we decided to use spawn bags instead of jars for the first time. We made 6 bags for our first run using cooked rye berries with gypsum. Spores used were F+, Z strain, and fat ass. We inoculated on the 2nd of December.
About 10 days in one bag was found with very early signs of trich (just two or three rye berries had a green tip); removed and disposed of.
About 17 days in we decided to shake up two of the remaining bags to see how it would alter growth. The two we shook up had VERY strong, almost ball like growths that only grew outwards, and my thought process was that if we broke it up and introduced more surface area it would grow faster (is this right? does this harm the mycelium? does this increase the chance of contam?)
About 25 days in (today) I noticed one of the bags that I shook up had signs of trich when none were present before - lots of strong white growth up until this point.
I have a closet totally dedicated to this grow and it's very clean (tarped down, sanitized walls, etc) and I take extra precaution to be clean where I can. This isn't to say that I'm as clean as can be, but we both agree that getting trich this late in colonization is strange.
Now for the questions: are there any obvious things I am missing out on, should change, or should know? I have a tower heater that blows warm air (not on the incubation chamber itself) in the room to keep it at a constant 78. I've heard that moving air from the heater is bad?
Any words of advice would be greatly appreciated - and I can supply pics or more info if necessary. I look forward to being part of this community!! Thanks
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olskoolgrower
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: Average]
#23960967 - 12/27/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Average said: About 17 days in we decided to shake up two of the remaining bags to see how it would alter growth. The two we shook up had VERY strong, almost ball like growths that only grew outwards, and my thought process was that if we broke it up and introduced more surface area it would grow faster (is this right? does this harm the mycelium? does this increase the chance of contam?)
 I typically shake at 25-30% and within 1-3 days after that my jar or bag is fully colonized. Also shaking helps me cause if something comes back after its been shaken it is very unlikely that it contains any contams. In the past ive not shaken and I swear it can sometimes harbor contams that I dont know about in my grain and then once I spawn im fuct.
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23960981 - 12/27/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well you left out the most important things!
Your whole sterile technique.
How did you prepare you grain?
Did you use a SAB?
How did you seal your bags?
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23961125 - 12/27/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I typically shake at 25-30% and within 1-3 days after that my jar or bag is fully colonized.
I would say I shook at about 10-15%... I will hold off in the future. So it's been about 8 days since then and it's showing signs of light colonization in about 60% of the bag.
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How did you prepare you grain?
Did you use a SAB?
How did you seal your bags?
probably should have included this we used Frank's spawn bag method almost to a T- only difference is we inoculated directly into the bags instead of from master grain. We did a double tape port, inoced in a SAB, sealed the port, then the bags were sealed with an electronic bag sealer. Hope this helps, and thanks for the info
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: Average]
#23961155 - 12/27/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You could just start more shit and have fully colonized spawn before you are even prepared for it, and just say fuck babysitting some spawn bags.
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: Kenetic]
#23961207 - 12/27/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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kenetic said: You could just start more shit and have fully colonized spawn before you are even prepared for it, and just say fuck babysitting some spawn bags.
We're hitting about 6 new bags a week, but obviously the first wave is furthest along and since we don't know much about the bag process we're trying our best to watch it learn! Babysitting isn't the plan but we don't feel confident enough yet to just let them go unwatched (I check in on them once a day).
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: Average]
#23961210 - 12/27/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nice
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: Kenetic]
#23961434 - 12/27/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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master jars are mostly used to speed up the colonization. if you're doing six bags a week you may want to take the step into just a little more grain prep for grain masters. one quart can go to six bags (->6x 66qt monos) or for faster speed/ more spread risk you could do one quart to one bag or inbetween. you could make twenty masters, store in the fridge once colonized, removing one to innoc bags weekly. thats about half a year of grain masters. something to consider if you're gonna grow a lot of tubs consistently I haven't seen the majority of bulk growers using spore syringes to knock bags (probably for a good reason).
78 is too hot especially for bags, bring it down to 72 or so
check out this video on jar to bag grain transfer, this is how it's done. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14813389#14813389
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Edited by filthyknees (12/27/16 09:48 PM)
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: filthyknees]
#23961655 - 12/28/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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cant wait
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: Theblingbling]
#23962609 - 12/28/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used rye spawn bags with GT strain. Innoc from a spore syringe. Busted them up and shook them at about 30-35% and they really took off!!
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: CapnZ]
#23962879 - 12/28/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you inoculate using a spore syringe or LI/LC?
That may be why you are seeing trich so late in the process. Syringes are rarely clean and trich myc is white too Just a thought cause I didn't see where it said how you were inoculating them
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23965617 - 12/29/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Did you inoculate using a spore syringe or LI/LC?
Our first and second round (the one getting trich) we used spore syringes, but we setup LC and now rounds 3+ will all be done using LC. We're talking about master grain jars too, just gathering as many opinions as possible!
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: Average]
#23965633 - 12/29/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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no agar? ms to lc to master grain is gambling a whole lot.
like going out and banging a bunch of sluts and hoping your dick wont rot off.
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: mushboy] 1
#23965657 - 12/29/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: no agar? ms to lc to master grain is gambling a whole lot.
like going out and banging a bunch of sluts and hoping your dick wont rot off.
Could you explain? I get the dick falling off part, but why is ms -> lc -> master grain gambling?
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: Average]
#23965666 - 12/29/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cause LC's are imperfect. They commonly harbor contam
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Re: Beginner using spawn bags - to shake or not to shake? [Re: olskoolgrower]
#23965673 - 12/29/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LCs will harbor contams just as well as the myc you are trying to grow.
spores are dirty. assume they are all dirty. you will be better off.
you HAVE to test on agar first. its such a risk. agar is your condom ...sorta.
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