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donaldmalisof
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ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus?
#23960686 - 12/27/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Habitat: Southern Louisiana. Two clusters of mushrooms, one clearly growing out of oak tree roots, the other 10 feet from trunk of tree, perhaps growing out of tree roots under soil. (Though it appears from photo to be growing in winter grass). Far away cluster is composed of much younger mushrooms.
Gills: Color: orange-brown in older specimens, yellower in younger specimens
Stem: Length: 1-10cm, diameter: 1-3cm, color: yellowish, texture: some vertical striations, from younger bunch are thick but hollow, older stems seem to be less hollow. Young mushrooms have obvious ring below gills. Older mushrooms have mush less obvious ring.
Cap: Quite large in older cluster, perhaps up to 15 cm or so, and wavy in shape, also were scaling on top. Younger cluster had more typical rounded, convex caps, that were fairly smooth. Color was yellow to orange brown, uniform in younger specimens, while darker in the middle of scaly older caps.
Spore print color: Still early but appears dark yellowish. Can photo later.
Bruising: Unsure of yet, nothing too obvious however.
Weather has been wet, old bigger mushrooms are starting to decay a bit from recent light rains. Younger mushrooms are in much better shape. I'm happy to answer any further questions and take more photos. Thank you for any information.
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donaldmalisof]
#23963424 - 12/28/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am not positive that the two clusters of mushrooms above are in fact the same species at different stages. Unfortunately, upon picking one of the smaller mushrooms, the entire cluster came out of the ground, together with a chunk of mycelium (perhaps there was an oak root under there they were growing from). It was my intention to let a few mature a bit to see how their appearance changed with time. Given their seemingly similar appearances and habitats, I assumed both were the same, potentially a gymnopilus variety. I have many more photos, which I am unfortunately not in a position to upload at the moment, but will get to it later.
I have noticed some greenish tints at places where the caps are broken. I have seen in previous posts that others have found gymnopilus on oak in the south... Anyone from Louisiana with gymnopilus experience? I'm far from convinced what these are, but seen similar pictures on the forums in the past, in which the opinion was gymnopilus. Quite a departure from the panaeolus I've found in the past around southeast louisiana that turn blue when you look at them.
Photos forthcoming. All comments appreciated.
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donaldmalisof]
#23963473 - 12/28/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They sure look like Gyms to me!
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: pouihi]
#23963479 - 12/28/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have a great spore deposit on the ring in your 4th pic, so spore print should be rusty brown.
If you are considering consuming them for enlightment purposes you should wait for a TI though, I wouldn't eat them but I'm very suspicious of Gyms
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Edited by pouihi (12/28/16 06:17 PM)
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donaldmalisof]
#23964811 - 12/29/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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All appear to be gyms and some beauties in the bottom row and personally I love them - a gift from the gods. Enjoy - nice find. G
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: gman]
#23978126 - 01/03/17 07:59 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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I wanted to add some additional photos of these two clusters of mushrooms. I am pretty confident they are gymnopilus, any input on the species? Again, they appeared to be growing out of a living live oak's roots. I noticed that the area above the ring on the stem and below the cap turned a bit green the day after they were picked.
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donaldmalisof]
#23978416 - 01/03/17 10:42 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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I'm not an expert, but my cousin picked some that looked pretty similar to this last year around November (South Georgia) and they turned out to be Gymnopilus Luteus. The spore print on those were more yellowish though. I would say with your reddish brown spore print and your location they could possibly be Gymnopilus Junonius.
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Thanks for the input. I just went back to the tree where they were found, and there are some pins coming up from nearby spots along the roots. Will upload some more photos later.
How were you able to positively identify the species from S. Georgia? Did anyone eat these Luteus or otherwise analyze them? I am very curious as to the content of these (indoles and other compounds) and other gymnopilus, they seem a bit of a mystery and somewhat understudied. Need a lab, really.
Thanks again, more photos forthcoming of pins....
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donaldmalisof]
#23978572 - 01/03/17 11:35 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Well when he found them we didn't really mess with shrooms around that time just weed. But his buddy (whos dad owned a cattle company and lots of land) had already found some gyms and some cubes and told us that they were luteus. So we did a spore print and it matched, and researched them. So they (myself excluded) tried them and sure enough they produced a trip. But even with that being said I'm still not a hundred percent that's what they were. I just don't know anything else that would of matched that closely.
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Gymnopilus Junonius
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donjonson420]
#23980738 - 01/04/17 07:58 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks again for the input. It sounds like everyone is confident they are gymnopilus, perhaps junonius species... Anyone ever eat these from Louisiana? The reports seem contradicting on the net, with many suggestions of chemicals not present in the classic psilocybin species.
These are pictures of two more clumps from the same tree, coming up as pins from the previous days rain. Haven't noticed any obvious bluing in the pins, once picked, only a trace of green tint.
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donaldmalisof]
#23981561 - 01/04/17 02:12 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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You can't eat them if you tried. The prefered method is a tea or hot water extraction. I chop into tiny pieces, place in my pressure cooker and pour in boiling water, close the lid and wait an hour and a half. Drink or freeze until rdy.
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donjonson420]
#24021471 - 01/18/17 09:32 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I wanted to report back regarding the gymnopilus species pictured above (probably G. Junonius), growing out of oak in louisiana. These were *quite* active. In reading about gymnopilus varieties there was quite a bit of variation in the reports on potency, with many reporting 10 g dry as a typical dose (ie., maybe 5 times less potent than cubensis). Also, there are anecdotal reports and a couple publications that I am aware of dealing with the possibility that active compounds other than psilocybin/psilocin are present in these mushrooms. I found that several fresh mushrooms (probably ~100g, wet), after being chopped very finely and boiled (hard) for ~15 minutes produced a dark tea with a strong but bearable flavor. Approximately 1/5th of this beverage, ie, a couple sips (perhaps equivalent to 1-3 g dry), produced a strong reaction. The effects included typical tryptamine effects, but, subjectively speaking, another dissociative-type element was also present. Of course, psychedelics generally are unpredictable, even with the same drug and dosage, so its difficult to say if there was something else going on with these. But I would say there very likely is. The effects were so unexpectedly strong, that a paranoid feeling was also present during the come-up. This faded during the plateau, replaced by an almost overwhelming sense of expanded consciousness. Very grateful more wasn't consumed...
For those in the gulf south - be cautious with these big beauties.
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donjonson420]
#24026207 - 01/20/17 04:48 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
donjonson420 said: You can't eat them if you tried.
a percentage of the population has been found to have relatively higher concentrations of chitinase in their digestive systems and as such can metabolize the generally indigestible chitin found in mushrooms much better than average. for those people, dicing them and doing a basic toss n wash easily gets the job done unless one has an especially low tolerance for bitter flavors passing over the tongue (not chewing them, just swallowing).
i've done the dicing and washing em down before with no more negative effect than a typical dose of cubes (which for me is typically almost nil). i was able to chew and wash down my first portion, but just swallowed the rest as diced bits. we have at least one long time shroomerite who has eaten them many, many times with no ill effect.
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: relic]
#24026232 - 01/20/17 04:57 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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nice gyms, donaldmalisof.
BTW, you'll rarely notice a really distinct bluing in gyms like you're used to seeing in those copelandia you find because of their base color being yellow-orange (i suspect). like we all learned in childhood when coloring a blue sky around a yellow sun with crayons, yellow & blue make green.
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: relic]
#24026299 - 01/20/17 05:14 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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the bruising looks more green in gyms and it is more prominent in younger mushrooms especially pins
these gyms were quite active(well for gyms that is)
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: nhobidy]
#24026347 - 01/20/17 05:30 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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i really like gyms they are a special mushroom for sure, and look like a gift from the sun god. few know their warm embrace
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: nhobidy]
#27289489 - 05/01/21 05:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I went back the spot where these were growing last winter (three years later), and they were still there growing. I did not pick any, but I really want to take a spore sample and grow these for further study. I am particularly interested in the possibility of distinct psychoactives in this variety. Subjectively, I felt at the time psilocybin was not a complete explanation for the effects.
I saw a post from Alan Rockefeller regarding the Junonius phylogeny, specifically that Junonius don't exist in N. America - so I am not sure what subspecies these are, perhaps spectabilis?
I am glad to see these are being studied in greater detail...
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donaldmalisof]
#27289868 - 05/02/21 02:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is an example of how to wake an old thread with a style and when it's actually relevant. I will paraphrase what has already been said by authorities in the field, but also add an opinion of mine on the matter.
The mushrooms you have been calling Gymnopilus junonius in North America fall into five species - the previously described Gymnopilus subspectabilis, G. luteus, Gymnopilus ventricosus, and the newly named Gymnopilus voitkii and Gymnopilus speciosissimus. Only G. speciosissimus is mentioned as staining green in the paper*, but some or all of the others definitely also contain psilocybin. The species can be difficult to tell apart macroscopically, but are easy to separate with a microscope or via DNA sequencing.
*The paper that investigate this topic into details: https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/100286/1/cjb-2020-0006.pdf
I would add what I have already said a few times before - it is tricky calling junonius inactive. First of all it's species complex in USA, and most of the species in this complex (if not all) are active. This thread goes to show that. Of course there are different species involved, and sampled gym from this thread is not sensu stricto G.junonius, but by identification by sight one can not distinguish them. Few will proceed to microscopy or/and sequencing.
Also, European gyms are understudied. European sensu stricto G.junonius is at the moment considered inactive. I am not really convinced junonius is not species complex in Europe as well. Further research is needed on European Gymnopilus, not only active ones, but all of them. Finds of strange Gymnopilus are reported from Norway recently, possibly active ones, but not identified with extremely high confidence.
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Gymnopilus strike me as understudied everywhere. I'm interested because the organisms fruit year after year and so should provide relatively easily-acquired study subjects.
I haven't looked really closely, but when I was exploring the questions of Gymnopilus potency, one of the few papers I found was a nearly 50-year old paper from the DDR (East Germany) that pointed towards what I believe characterizes their alkaloid content: low total %-age of which a high %-age is psilocin and perhaps other non psilocybin compounds.
One of my projects before my coming Gymnopilus season (mid-September to mid-November) is to figure out how best to capture the active compounds from a large mass of Gymnopilus (perhaps as much as 1,500g) and render them into a single dose.
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: LeafRaker]
#27290077 - 05/02/21 08:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Correct, they are abundant in some places, but all mycologists that are into actives are studying almost exclusively Psilocybe. But despite that, my impression is that there is strong advance in study of North American Gymnopilus spp.
I am as well fascinated by Gyms but also with bluing Inocybe, Galerina, Pluteus...
Unfortunately, Gyms are not in abundance where I live, Psilocybe as well are few and far between here. I still have not found any active Gym, but tbh my "career" in MH&I does not span over one year, hopefully I will find many different active Gyms in the future and submit some of those for sequencing. I plan to do some microscopy on those European species as well, but that's a long way to go.
It is interesting reading about gymnopilin and other strange chemicals that could possibly influence trip experience. I'm interested to see how your extraction working with mass amount turns out. Keep us updated !
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Re: ID Request, Louisiana, Gymnopilus? [Re: donaldmalisof]
#27401635 - 07/25/21 01:07 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Check out g. Subspectabilis and Allen Rockefeller’s 2020 gymnopilus thread
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