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makes me really 
World wildlife 'falls by 58% in 40 years' Cheetahs heading towards extinction as population crashes 20% of the amazon lost in 40 years, 20% to be lost in the coming two decades
we are effectively seeing the extinction of the giants on our planet as well as the smaller animals that inhabit our world. I watched a documentary recently on the mass killings of elephants in Africa due to the ivory trade that traces back to China... humans really are a disgusting species. I was also thinking about how things looked different as a kid, that there were more birds and animals around when i was a kid and today there seems to be less and less. 5-10 years ago we used to see groups of sandhill cranes walking through our yards and what not, and that's been an increasingly scarce occurance. we used to see ibises and ducks and all sorts of birds but i rarely see many anymore in the lakes and ponds near by. sure, they are still around, but not in the numbers they once were
i see a lot of development in my area too. entire swaths of forests get cut down and apartment complexes and houses go up, and there's less and less natural environment to enjoy.
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inb4 "hurr durr you cant prove that we're directly responsible for their extinction". This is going to turn into another shit political thread. I can already tell.
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it's only one reply deep two now, i guess
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You are correct on that one sir.
Happy to be in b4 that nonsensical talk. The world is fucked, but honestly I think most people won't give a shit until it's too late
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: 404] 1
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Sounds like you live in FL, like me. Always seeing large swaths of forest wiped out to build more houses and useless commercial buildings. I would be lying if I said I was optimistic about humanity pulling it's head out of it's ass and seeing the light, I only see people becoming more and more enveloped in consumerism. And I feel so helpless about doing anything about it.
Do we just enjoy the planet while it lasts? Where would we even begin if we wanted to try and fight the entire world to protect them from themselves?
What would it really take for such a large amount of people to suddenly gain respect for the ground they walk and depend on? A big fucking meteor?
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#23959693 - 12/27/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Really, the only reassurance I hear from the other end is "the earth has been here for billions of years. It goes on without us", which is exactly whats going to happen, and we deserve it. I guess I'm just not as ready for mass extinctions as they are
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#23959696 - 12/27/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Too much television distracts people from the environmental issues at hand.
trash that boob tube and get in with life. hehe
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Tmethyl]
#23959698 - 12/27/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You knew i lived in fl i thought? talked about hanging out but it never happened. we live about an hour away from each other. I've gotten really big into hiking and exploring the natural parts of this state, so if you ever change your mind drop me a line and let's go. Withlacoochie state park has been on my list for a while...
honestly, i don't know if there's a whole lot we can do, (avg human) as we are outnumbered vastly by people who don't care about the world they live in or are destroying, and maybe it's not even like that for some - many are just trying to get by and fix their own lives first and foremost. i dunno man.
what is promising is that solar is vastly outpacing fossil fuels in terms of cost more and more... and there are solutions to carbon emission problems... but there's a lot. a LOT. that needs to be done and realized to slow this stuff down. the people policing the logging industry need to cut out the corruption and be giving adequate resources to fight it for instance.
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: 404]
#23959706 - 12/27/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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in the grand scheme of things it really doesen't matter
the universe you all live in is a simulation within a simulation to a massive order. At any instant one of the simulations above us could be stopped from rendering and thus our universe would be instantly converted from "existence" to "non-existence"
do and try and enjoy the machinations
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: sh4d0ws]
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: czech]
#23959765 - 12/27/16 03:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So why dont you kill yourself? Rob a bank? Go out in a blaze of glory. Does anything matter?
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: 404]
#23959766 - 12/27/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its tragic, and the next few generations may witness the existinction of the ecosystem (of which humans are only a small part), but it wont be an end to life itself.
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Repertoire89]
#23959796 - 12/27/16 04:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP should go hug more trees
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: SpaaaceFace]
#23959818 - 12/27/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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it sucks to lose cuddly looking animals but mass species die offs arent necessarily a bad thing
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#23959824 - 12/27/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you take out one species the species that relied on that species for whatever reason gets more strain on it to survive.
But, for the sake of argument, what makes you say that?
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: 404]
#23959827 - 12/27/16 05:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't worry OP, all these people who don't care now are going to start caring soon, when it's too late. No ecology, no economy. Simple simon.
Aside from the burgeoning population of yet more useless eater humans, anyone paying much attention surely has noticed the fake clouds the planes flying back and forth leave. Sadly, many have been so asleep or brainwashed, they think these planes are "normal".
Between the aerosol program combined with the EMF that is pretty much everywhere now, combined with radiation from Fukushima etc. that is pretty much everywhere now, we are pretty much fucked.
How can somebody not notice the difference between a spray day, and a no spray day? Is it because they are that stupid, that ignorant, or just don't care? It amazes me.
Well, cancer is epidemic, autism is epidemic, alzheimers is epidemic, people are not in fact living longer when one cancels out infant mortality. Vaccination is soon to become mandatory for everyone based on the notion that it actually is doing good instead of poisoning.
The information is out there, probably not for long given recent legislation.
Those who can't see the trees dying, the bird population drop off, and the recent dramatic drop off in insects, need to turn off their phones and look around, ffs.
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#23959829 - 12/27/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think human civilization as we all know it will soon collapse
Perhaps not in our lifetimes though, but certainly within the next few hundred years
It is sad to think about how much natural beauty has been defaced and destroyed in such a short period of time though, but as they say, karma is a bitch
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: 404]
#23959831 - 12/27/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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404 said: If you take out one species the species that relied on that species for whatever reason gets more strain on it to survive.
But, for the sake of argument, what makes you say that?
it's a natural cycle. species diversity increases over long periods of time, spikes exponentially over a short period, then drops sharply in mass die offs, making way for new levels of complexity/diversity
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#23959872 - 12/27/16 06:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the big picture here is not our eventual wiping out, but the stages leading up to it: Exorbitant prices for shelter, food, not being able to hike 10 miles away to acquire another food source or shelter, not being able to eat out of our oceans, breathe our air, resist the sun with the ever depleting ozone layer, etc...imagine the chaos...way before we are dead.
Although graphs and research show this is a recurring natural thing, the problem in 2016 is the huge population that the earth cannot sustain. I find these arguments as funny as the global warming ones that show how this has happened in the earths history several times before and it is a perfectly natural occurrence. Only problem now is that we are 7+ billion deep, and hunting and gathering skills have switched from traditional methods to a sort of survival that requires the hunting and gathering of money as a token to feed and shelter ourselves.
When shit really starts to hit the fan, rich people will seem to be ok because they can pay for their survival. But when the masses rip them to shreds for a bite out of their $50 burgers, or a roof where not 4 but 40 people could be sheltered, then we'll have a clear-er picture of the cut throat planet we live on.
PS I ll be moved out of Florida long before its under water...which will be relatively soon (probably in my lifetime) anyone who doesn't agree should check out our king tides along the coast line and our clubbing hot spot South Beach ankle deep in water. Its slowly but surely goin under...see ya!
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Universaleyeni]
#23959891 - 12/27/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was shocked to find out how big of a problem poaching is in my area. Sadly a lot of people have the attitude that if they see a deer they should just shoot it... doesn't matter if its a doe or even a fawn. People shoot a lot of different creatures on sight. There's this attitude that there's plenty of them out there. But I hike a lot and have for years. It seems like over time I see less and less animals.
All the development is a huge problem. More thought needs to be given to how wildlife uses the land before it is developed. And so many people offroad all over wild places and leave trash.
I keep just keep trying to push further and further back into the hills on my hikes to get away from it all. Seems like there's no stopping the destruction. In fact the pace is increasing from what I see.
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#23959923 - 12/27/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Universaleyeni said: I think the big picture here is not our eventual wiping out, but the stages leading up to it: Exorbitant prices for shelter, food, not being able to hike 10 miles away to acquire another food source or shelter, not being able to eat out of our oceans, breathe our air, resist the sun with the ever depleting ozone layer, etc...imagine the chaos...way before we are dead.
Although graphs and research show this is a recurring natural thing, the problem in 2016 is the huge population that the earth cannot sustain. I find these arguments as funny as the global warming ones that show how this has happened in the earths history several times before and it is a perfectly natural occurrence. Only problem now is that we are 7+ billion deep, and hunting and gathering skills have switched from traditional methods to a sort of survival that requires the hunting and gathering of money as a token to feed and shelter ourselves.
When shit really starts to hit the fan, rich people will seem to be ok because they can pay for their survival. But when the masses rip them to shreds for a bite out of their $50 burgers, or a roof where not 4 but 40 people could be sheltered, then we'll have a clear-er picture of the cut throat planet we live on.
PS I ll be moved out of Florida long before its under water...which will be relatively soon (probably in my lifetime) anyone who doesn't agree should check out our king tides along the coast line and our clubbing hot spot South Beach ankle deep in water. Its slowly but surely goin under...see ya!
your premise that the Earth can't support 7+ billion people is just plain wrong. while our approach to the harvesting of natural resources has been fairly thoughtless until now, humans are perfectly capable of recognising problems and adapting to changing environments (it's like, what we do) when we realised we were overfishing Atlantic cod, for example, we put limits on the amount of fishing that could be done, and hence cod populations are recovering. with careful planning and management the Earth can (and will) support many more than 7 billion people.
i think these ideas of a anthropogenic ecological colapse/Malthusian correction come from some deep seated anarcho-primitivist/Luddite leanings that arose out of the 60s countercultural & new age movements and were perpetuated by people like Terence McKenna (and dare I say it, Ted Kaczynski)... they seem very popular here.
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23959940 - 12/27/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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OhMrJohnson said: I think human civilization as we all know it will soon collapse
Perhaps not in our lifetimes though, but certainly within the next few hundred years
It is sad to think about how much natural beauty has been defaced and destroyed in such a short period of time though, but as they say, karma is a bitch
Karma doesn't like being called a bitch...
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Universaleyeni said: I think the big picture here is not our eventual wiping out, but the stages leading up to it: Exorbitant prices for shelter, food, not being able to hike 10 miles away to acquire another food source or shelter, not being able to eat out of our oceans, breathe our air, resist the sun with the ever depleting ozone layer, etc...imagine the chaos...way before we are dead.
Although graphs and research show this is a recurring natural thing, the problem in 2016 is the huge population that the earth cannot sustain. I find these arguments as funny as the global warming ones that show how this has happened in the earths history several times before and it is a perfectly natural occurrence. Only problem now is that we are 7+ billion deep, and hunting and gathering skills have switched from traditional methods to a sort of survival that requires the hunting and gathering of money as a token to feed and shelter ourselves.
When shit really starts to hit the fan, rich people will seem to be ok because they can pay for their survival. But when the masses rip them to shreds for a bite out of their $50 burgers, or a roof where not 4 but 40 people could be sheltered, then we'll have a clear-er picture of the cut throat planet we live on.
PS I ll be moved out of Florida long before its under water...which will be relatively soon (probably in my lifetime) anyone who doesn't agree should check out our king tides along the coast line and our clubbing hot spot South Beach ankle deep in water. Its slowly but surely goin under...see ya!
your premise that the Earth can't support 7+ billion people is just plain wrong. while our approach to the harvesting of natural resources has been fairly thoughtless until now, humans are perfectly capable of recognising problems and adapting to changing environments (it's like, what we do) when we realised we were overfishing Atlantic cod, for example, we put limits on the amount of fishing that could be done, and hence cod populations are recovering. with careful planning and management the Earth can (and will) support many more than 7 billion people.
i think these ideas of a anthropogenic ecological colapse/Malthusian correction come from some deep seated anarcho-primitivist/Luddite leanings that arose out of the 60s countercultural & new age movements and were perpetuated by people like Terence McKenna (and dare I say it, Ted Kaczynski)... they seem very popular here.
My dear friend, im with you as far as the earth being able to sustain us with careful planning, etc...
The problem is that the earth we live on is not governed by careful, thoughtful people.
For example, what good are fishing restrictions on cod, when oil accidents pump millions of barrels a day into our oceans, destroying habitats and poisoning one of our food sources? Or what good is it to have lobster and snapper season, when Fukushima is actively leaking radioactive waste into our oceans?
What im sayin is, humans are not all so careful and thoughtful in their actions, and taking that into account, we will deplete our oceans, or the life in them will be inedible. Our air is more polluted by the minute, and our soil as well. Depletion of forests, huge ecological habitats...etc...so while you and i might come together and work out a practical solution, the elite who profit off the exploitation of the earth will never, as long as theres a profit to be made.
As for your second paragraph...too many big words ya lost me there! But no love lost, ever.
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#23959981 - 12/27/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The bit about radiation from fukushima is less dire than ypu may think it seems. Yes it's bad, however, the ocean is incredibly vast and the radiation is very diluted and will continue to dilute until a certain point.
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404 said: The bit about radiation from fukushima is less dire than ypu may think it seems. Yes it's bad, however, the ocean is incredibly vast and the radiation is very diluted and will continue to dilute until a certain point.
Its cool to downplay things, i understand your logic. Perhaps its the same logic used by businessmen to defend ongoing destructive activities. Im not ragging on you at all, i know it may seem hard to tell from reading text.
You gotta understand that the demand for places like fukushima to exist, our harsh consumerism, is what puts our earth at risk.
If fukushima were a single isolated incident, i'd agree its not THAT big a deal. But when coupled with everything else going on, its an extra needle on the haystack.
I'll play with you and say that the ocean doesnt have a fresh water intake system or a man made replaceable filter system, or a place other than itself to absorb and digest the radiation, oil, plastic, etc.
The filter is actually the plant life coated in poison, absorbed by ocean life that ingests it, ultimately eaten by us. or evaporated into clouds to then rain down on our crops.
Also, the vastness of the oceans, and the critical currents and movements of water, are the crucial factors in the oceans' involvement in our existence. 70 percent of our bodies are water? Where do we draw the line?
Anywhosers, its all good im sure. The universe has no opinions. It is what it is.
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This is so stupid. This is the natural cycle of things, we are nature. I do hope we don't completely destroy the rainforest based on the linier projections decades out.
Liberals make too much about the environment though. It has actually had much more carbon in the atmosphere, for example.
I must admit, cheetahs going extinct is nice. Tigers first though, fuck monsters. I don't get why people like monsters so much. Is there some sort of evolutionary advantage to people that like tigers or enjoy disaster movies where everyone dies?
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But, for the sake of argument, what makes you say that?
it's a natural cycle. species diversity increases over long periods of time, spikes exponentially over a short period, then drops sharply in mass die offs, making way for new levels of complexity/diversity

This seems about right, though now we get to be the cause and not the victem
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: 404]
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404 said: i see a lot of development in my area too. entire swaths of forests get cut down and apartment complexes and houses go up, and there's less and less natural environment to enjoy.
is your area a cheetah habitat?
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specialpeopleclub said: This is so stupid. This is the natural cycle of things, we are nature. I do hope we don't completely destroy the rainforest based on the linier projections decades out.
Liberals make too much about the environment though. It has actually had much more carbon in the atmosphere, for example.
carbon really isn't THE issue. carbon is an issue because of mass-clearcuts all around the world (amazon rainforest, california/washington rainforests, etc...) and general habitat destruction for an ever-growing and consuming human population which reduces the vegetations' overall ability to process CO2. exponentials in both directions
methane is the real issue, atmospherically. and other compounds play a role as well.
i'm going to make a blanket statement here, so i hope everyone can forgive me: any intelligent, informed person should be able to discern the difference between naturally occurring climate change, global-warming/global-cooling cycles as visible through geologic archaeology, and human-influenced climate change. in our present time, we were already on the verge of entering into the next ice-age, as part of the natural cycle of climate change. ice-ages are preceded by periods of warming. however, since the industrial revolution, humans have rapidly increased the rate of which the warming is coming on, which, in turn, is likely to reduce the time before the cooling-cycle begins. volcanic activity is what commonly and naturally aids the CO, CO2, and CH4 levels in the atmosphere, as well as other compounds. presumably, meteoric activity within the atmosphere can also have minor effects as well.
all that being said, fresh-water systems are growing more and more toxic, as well as the land-base.
all these things will add up within the current and/or next generation to the point that the effects are no longer undeniable by anyone
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There's nothing natural about 4 meltdowns dumping radiation into the Pacific Ocean for 5+ years, with absolutely no end in sight. No technology to clean up the mess, ever.
There's nothing natural about 20 million tons of alumina etc. being sprayed into the atmosphere every year. Now the latest proposal by Dr. David Keith the famous geoengineering scientist, is to spray calcium carbonate instead of alumina. Less "risk" according to Dr. Keith.
There's nothing natural about the salmon number acute drop off in 2016. It was predictable after Fukushima, salmon go to sea for 5 years. Those numbers will continue to drop off in 2017 as even admitted recently by NOAA.
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LunarEclipse said: There's nothing natural about 20 million tons of alumina etc. being sprayed into the atmosphere every year. Now the latest proposal by Dr. David Keith the famous geoengineering scientist, is to spray calcium carbonate instead of alumina. Less "risk" according to Dr. Keith.
DAH KIMTRALEZ!!!!
my how that conspiracy drivel has changed from the extermination of the population to geoengineering
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: LunarEclipse]
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We are in an ice age right now.
Your post about intelligent people is so pretentious. I've heard scientists make arguments against this that seem pretty valid, along with that the disaster predictions of the late 90's not coming true.
Rohan had Cancel Carlson on and he had a whole thing about how cooling is so much worse.
I think alot of this is fearful liberals that hear something like 'ocian acidification' and can use arguments from authority trying trying to have a cause to yell about Like pronouns, gay marriage, racism
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LunarEclipse said: There's nothing natural about 20 million tons of alumina etc. being sprayed into the atmosphere every year. Now the latest proposal by Dr. David Keith the famous geoengineering scientist, is to spray calcium carbonate instead of alumina. Less "risk" according to Dr. Keith.
DAH KIMTRALEZ!!!!
my how that conspiracy drivel has changed from the extermination of the population to geoengineering
Where I live, planes sprayed a pesticide that is illegal in Europe, all over Miami Beach to kill mosquitos that may be transmitting Zika. Like all over residential neighborhoods, parks, etc more than 4 times I think. Really smart.
Conspiracy or not...
Humans, lol! 
I love that demiu5...yea I was gonna mention the methane but I dodged a brainiac saying: "yea bruh cow farts are causing climate change" 
And as you and lunar point out, there is nothing natural about this shit. It's all our human doing.
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Universaleyeni]
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at least the air in cities is dramatically cleaner than it was in the 80's & 90's
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specialpeopleclub said: We are in an ice age right now.
Your post about intelligent people is so pretentious. I've heard scientists make arguments against this that seem pretty valid, along with that the disaster predictions of the late 90's not coming true.
Rohan had Cancel Carlson on and he had a whole thing about how cooling is so much worse.
I think alot of this is fearful liberals that hear something like 'ocian acidification' and can use arguments from authority trying trying to have a cause to yell about Like pronouns, gay marriage, racism
hence why i acknowledged it was a blanket statement.
i didn't mention anything about time frames.
the fact that you mention politics and "political/social issues" shows how ignorant you and others are on this matter. this is not a political issue. this is an issue that has the potential to affect every living thing on this planet now and in the future
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: demiu5]
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Alot of possibly intake things have the potential to effect everything. Of course it's political. You think people in power won't use a panic filled issue like that to their advantage, true or not?
I've watched alot on it, and really, I'm not convinced it's what liberals seem to say.
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Yeah basically the entire problem is humanity is a mass of greedy selfish fucktards.
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Life and current society really isn't that bad, I used to think life sucked, then I realized I was just depressed and stupid and that everything is cool and awesome. We live in a pretty self-aware society, full of people who think everyone except for them is dumb.
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I think everyone is dumb period.
That's not. The full extent of my ideology of humanity. Not remotely. But I know that if I would have stuck with my pipe dreamed career path of environmental conservation I would most certainly ended up committing suicide.
Awareness is an ever shifting concept. IME most times people are unaware of things because they don't want to be, because they don't want to pay attention to the downers, and in this case I don't blame them. Not alot individuals can do. Nothing I can do but try to be happy with the hand I've been given.
What does bother me though is how people say and convince themselves and others that the problem does not exist because there's nothing we can do about it. It's like saying cancer doesn't exist because we can't cure it.
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Sheekle]
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No one mentioned life sucking. But its a great thing you are feeling better these days.
I think CookieCrumbs is on the money.
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You should blame people that avoid downers. They are some of the worst people of all.
It isn't like cancer. Cancer is a set of mutation based diseases, well the environment!sent is still here despite all the screaming by fearful people.
What can we do though? Do you people want a centralized power to make changes without regards to the economic implications
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>says inb4 it turns into a political thread >no one talks about politics whatsoever >posts with language such as "other end" and "they are." >clearly trying to provoke political banter
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there are things that can be done, people are working on a cure for cancer, just like people are working on curbing environmental polution and safer nuclear energy. these things can't be corrected/perfected overnight. humanity always goes through a turbulent learning period before it comes to a solution.
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Mad_Larkin said: there are things that can be done, people are working on a cure for cancer, just like people are working on curbing environmental polution and safer nuclear energy. these things can't be corrected/perfected overnight. humanity always goes through a turbulent learning period before it comes to a solution.
it's not doomsday. it's training day. 
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it's not doomsday. it's training day. 
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Economics is highly arbitrary and won't exist as our resources are depleted. Go ask commercial fisheries about how badly their catches have fallen off in the last 30 years. Unless we try to do things with sustainability in mind instead of profit then industries like that are going to continue to fall off.
Environmental deterioration is alot like cancer (even tho it was an off-hand statement). It is a mutation that often occurs naturally but can be caused and worsened by poor choices. Climate change occures naturally. Extinction occurs naturally. But there is absolutely no question that we can and do make it worse.
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it's not doomsday. it's training day. 
Thank you Larkin that was the point I had in mind. People have much better life expectancy with cancer today thanks to the people that acknowledge and address the problem. But I do think the greed for profit is inhibiting improvements there too.
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I stopped reading at your first sentence. I'm not gonna write a paragraph, Economics is the science of distributing limited resources. If we ran out, everything would be over
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I've watched alot on it, and really, I'm not convinced it's what liberals seem to say.
just because someone uses an issue politically, does not mean it is a political issue
also, what does "possibly intake things...." mean?
grammar, lol
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I meant fake, not intake. Spelchecked
Now, the what is handling economics arbitrarily? It's a really poor statement that means nothing. Countries and people are out for themselves. We aren't a hive mind. The government creates an illusion that it controller the economy by printing money, taxes, terrifs, economic policy, but really they just get in the way of resources naturally flowing where they need overtime and create inefficiency.
Prices are skewed from this. Something like meat and dairy should be far more expensive because of labor intensity, but due to terrible government policy we subsidize the industry.
It couldn't stop something like peak oil. We would be awear if we were close to out of a major resource
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CookieCrumbs said: I think everyone is dumb period.
That's not. The full extent of my ideology of humanity. Not remotely. But I know that if I would have stuck with my pipe dreamed career path of environmental conservation I would most certainly ended up committing suicide.
Awareness is an ever shifting concept. IME most times people are unaware of things because they don't want to be, because they don't want to pay attention to the downers, and in this case I don't blame them. Not alot individuals can do. Nothing I can do but try to be happy with the hand I've been given.
What does bother me though is how people say and convince themselves and others that the problem does not exist because there's nothing we can do about it. It's like saying cancer doesn't exist because we can't cure it.
"how people say and convince themselves and others that the problem does not exist"
Why is it a problem, what's the ultimate goal? Isn't survival for today a goal? Doesn't that take precedent over the potential that it could cause harm to my survival years from now?
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CookieCrumbs said: I think everyone is dumb period.
That's not. The full extent of my ideology of humanity. Not remotely. But I know that if I would have stuck with my pipe dreamed career path of environmental conservation I would most certainly ended up committing suicide.
Awareness is an ever shifting concept. IME most times people are unaware of things because they don't want to be, because they don't want to pay attention to the downers, and in this case I don't blame them. Not alot individuals can do. Nothing I can do but try to be happy with the hand I've been given.
What does bother me though is how people say and convince themselves and others that the problem does not exist because there's nothing we can do about it. It's like saying cancer doesn't exist because we can't cure it.
Yeah, people are so dumb, that's why we have the ability to instantaniously message each other from hundreds upon hundreds of miles away despite never having ever met each other.
The reason why a mass-organization of food, products, shelter, and waste removal exists is because we're just a bunch of stupid monkeys. Humans didn't even invent brain surgery, rocket science, modern medicine, musical instruments, the ability to travel into space, mathematics, the ability to record videos and take pictures, and every other miracle we're faced with on the daily.
Alien overlords are responsible for all the cool shit in the world Cookie, humans didn't make any of this. They're too dumb.
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Sheekle]
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I'll let ya chew on this. I think really people as a whole general thing are so impressively stupid because we are so genuinely intelligent.
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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in the words of the great demiu5
Humans, lol
Yea sheeks i dont think thats the kinda dumb, the Crumb was talkin about

This thread really makes me laugh...in a microcosm kinda way
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Universaleyeni]
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damn "microcosm" youre so intellectual save the whales for the rest of us
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Everything is on track.
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Sheekle said: damn "microcosm" youre so intellectual save the whales for the rest of us
Aw come on don't be like that man. I wasn't messin with ya. If only you knew me, I'm such a fool hehe the furthest from intellectual I think...
By microcosm I meant: the range of responses the thread received (microcosm) are about what you'd get if you polled the whole US (macrocosm). Just fancy words for a larger scale type of deal. My vocab sucks so I throw out a few fancy words when I can 
What do ya say? Let's save the whales together!
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"Solar power at 1¢/kWh by 2025 – “The promise of quasi-infinite and free energy is here”"
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Thierry Lepercq, head of research, technology and innovation at the French energy company Engie SA, said in an interview at Bloomberg that he sees a potential for the cost of solar electricity to fall below $10-megawatt hour (1¢/kWh) in the sunniest climates by 2025. Lepercq believes “solar, battery storage, electrical and hydrogen vehicles, and connected devices are in a ‘J’ curve (of upward growth potential).” One consequence of this new energy economy is that, “the price (of oil) could drop to $10 if markets anticipate a significant fall in demand.”
“The promise of quasi-infinite and free energy is here.”
The key argument being pushed regarding renewables by Lepercq is price – nothing to do with environmental concerns at all. From a business perspective, Engie is hoping to grow into the microgrid market in the coming years – as can be noted by the combination of technologies and studies from the article:
In France, Engie recently conducted a “very deep modeling” of the Provence-Alpes-Cote d’Azur region of 5 million inhabitants, showing it could run entirely on renewables by 2030 for as much as 20 percent less cost than the current energy system, Lepercq said. Solar, wind, biogas, large-scale battery storage and hydrogen would be key elements.
As we’ve seen in the past year, the price of utility scale solar electricity in sunny climates has plummeted. This has led to significant thought about what the results of “quasi-infinite and free energy” could lead toward. Israel has solved water problems in a desert with the largest solar desalination plant on the planet. China has suggested a $50 trillion global HVDC electricity grid to take advantage of global renewable energy resources. Not to mention that a massive build out of solar power would add tens of millions of jobs globally.
In order to cover all basis, there are even efforts, like the Land Art Generator Initiative (pictured above), that hope to prove to us that ‘renewable Energy can be beautiful.”
Electricity prices on the German (wholesale) spot market are negative today: not enough flexibility to cope with extreme wind energy output. pic.twitter.com/LoPOAbSSDD
— Kees van der Leun (@Sustainable2050) December 26, 2016
Those forward-looking ideas are of course countered by the hard economics hitting business and people today. Other forms of energy are requesting economic support (coal & nuclear) while we transition away from them toward cheaper sources. In Germany, where wholesale pricing of energy sometimes go negative (due to wind – pictured above – or solar), the nuclear industry has won compensation for its shut down. While the nuclear shutdown wasn’t directly due to the low price of renewables – the general population had a gut feeling that they can support this shutdown due to the ongoing energy revolution. The above-noted coal industry in the United States got plenty of attention in the recent Presidential election for its less than 200,000 jobs that are at risk.
There will be real world long-term consequences – $10/barrel oil might be one – for these coming low energy prices. What a surprise of course – most of the naysaying has been that renewables were too expensive, soon we’ll hear about how they’re too cheap.
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Universaleyeni] 1
#23964319 - 12/28/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LunarEclipse said: There's nothing natural about 20 million tons of alumina etc. being sprayed into the atmosphere every year. Now the latest proposal by Dr. David Keith the famous geoengineering scientist, is to spray calcium carbonate instead of alumina. Less "risk" according to Dr. Keith.
DAH KIMTRALEZ!!!!
my how that conspiracy drivel has changed from the extermination of the population to geoengineering
Where I live, planes sprayed a pesticide that is illegal in Europe, all over Miami Beach to kill mosquitos that may be transmitting Zika. Like all over residential neighborhoods, parks, etc more than 4 times I think. Really smart.
marijuana is illegal in the US and in most of europe, that must mean it's deadly
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Sheekle] 3
#23964334 - 12/28/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I think everyone is dumb period.
That's not. The full extent of my ideology of humanity. Not remotely. But I know that if I would have stuck with my pipe dreamed career path of environmental conservation I would most certainly ended up committing suicide.
Awareness is an ever shifting concept. IME most times people are unaware of things because they don't want to be, because they don't want to pay attention to the downers, and in this case I don't blame them. Not alot individuals can do. Nothing I can do but try to be happy with the hand I've been given.
What does bother me though is how people say and convince themselves and others that the problem does not exist because there's nothing we can do about it. It's like saying cancer doesn't exist because we can't cure it.
Yeah, people are so dumb, that's why we have the ability to instantaniously message each other from hundreds upon hundreds of miles away despite never having ever met each other.
The reason why a mass-organization of food, products, shelter, and waste removal exists is because we're just a bunch of stupid monkeys. Humans didn't even invent brain surgery, rocket science, modern medicine, musical instruments, the ability to travel into space, mathematics, the ability to record videos and take pictures, and every other miracle we're faced with on the daily.
which of those things are you responsible for creating?
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Re: human destruction of earth's fauna and flora [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23965839 - 12/29/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: marijuana is illegal in the US and in most of europe, that must mean it's deadly

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