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Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help...
#23958997 - 12/26/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The last two times I did mushrooms they did next to nothing for me.
3 weeks ago....6g. Of cyans
1week ago 6g. of tried and true cubes from a batch that we've been eating off of since June and tripping hard as f*** every single time....
We wrote the cyans off as bunk they were given to us by a friend and we had no idea of knowing how authentic they were.
Then a friend that we gave some to reported to us that he tripped harder than he ever had in his life off the very same mushrooms?
I'm not sure what's up with the cubensis? We ate 6 grams and 6 hits of acid one month ago and it was literally the most intense trip me and my Bro's life!... just awesome!
I'm not sure exactly what is going on. I don't think that we have lost the magic because we've only been doing things every two weeks and treating it with respect and I can't see how things would go off a cliff and then all the sudden we get absolutely nothing from what is normally a solid to massive type dose.
Plus, what is the likelihood that me and my friend would lose the magic at the exact same time?
The other obvious option is that the mushrooms are bunk but it just seems odd with how we trip super hard on the cubes like 1 month ago and that our friend got off super hard on the cyans...
Or a third option that we've been speculating on is that we smoked DMT after the last good mushroom trip and somehow the DMT has made it so we won't trip on mushrooms anymore? Although I feel this is unlikely. Especially because LSD seems to work just fine....
I'm thinking about eating 7 grams of the cubes maybe during the day the next couple days just to see if they work or not.
Can mushrooms go from Super potent to nothing and one month's time? Is it possible to lose the magic instantaneously and go from getting super tripped-out to absolutely nothing from one trip to the next?
Opinions please....
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Edited by voodoochild1000 (12/27/16 09:44 AM)
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Depends on the psilocin verses psilocybin content. Those very from culture to culture. Might be very potent fresh and have no shelf life verses having a lot of shelf life.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23959046 - 12/26/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The cubes have been Rock Solid every couple weeks for months and months. Very reliable. We were very surprised when we both got no magic at all!
Can we go from extremely potent and 4 Weeks Later have no potency? They were cut in a sealed plastic bag in a closet and not exposed to high temperatures or anything like that.
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Psilocin breaks down very easily. Freezing would be best but everything other than that breaks it down. Air, light, even room temp breaks it down.
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voodoochild1000 said: The last two times I did mushrooms they did next to nothing for me.
3 weeks ago....6g. Of cyans
1week ago 6g. of tried and true cubes from a batch that we've been eating off of since June and tripping hard as f*** every single time....
We wrote the cyans off as bunk they were given to us by a friend and we had no idea of knowing how authentic they were.
Then a friend that we gave some to reported to us that he tripped harder than he ever had in his life off the very same mushrooms?
I'm not sure what's up with the cubensis? We ate 6 grams and 6 hits of acid one month ago and it was literally the most intense trip me and my Bro's life!... just awesome!
I'm not sure exactly what is going on. I don't think that we have lost the magic because we've only been doing things every two weeks and treating it with respect and I can't see how things would go off a cliff and then all the sudden we get absolutely nothing from what is normally a solid to massive type dose.
Plus, what is the likelihood that me and my friend would lose the magic at the exact same time?
The other obvious option is that the mushrooms are bunk but it just seems odd with how we trip super hard on the cubes like 1 month ago and that our friend got off super hard on the cyans...
Or a third option that we've been speculating on is that we smoked DMT after the last good mushroom trip and somehow the DMT has made it so we won't trip on mushrooms anymore? Although I feel this is unlikely. Especially because LSD seems to work just fine....
I'm thinking about eating 7 grams of the cubes maybe during the day the next couple days just to see if they work or not.
Can mushrooms go from Super potent to nothing and one month's time? Is it possible to lose the magic instantaneously and go from getting super tripped-out to absolutely nothing from one trip to the next?
Opinions please....
Speaking from first hand experience I can tell you long term psilocybin tolerance is a real thing. I took off 2 months from shrooms and still couldn't have a full on trip. Am now abstaining for a lengthy period of time it's now been 5 months and I may wait till next summer until I do them again as if it's not a full on trip it's just not worth it.
People on this very forum tried to tell me long term tolerance doesn't exist they are very wrong as I've confirmed with the same batch of shroom's that I got nothing from fucking up other friends of mine.
Last time I tried I dosed with 5 grams which is supposedly enough for a level 5 trip( full on psychedelic) and other than the come up and some kinda cool CEV it was a dud trip which ended in less than an hour.
My advice to you is to take a few months off and when you go into it again don't have any expectations. Also not sure if you take any medications be sure that these aren't interacting with the shrooms and somehow lessening the trip
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Dabrit]
#23959068 - 12/26/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Potency caries widely among shrooms. I would never expect five grams to be a level 5 or anything. It totally depends on actives. My best trip came the day after a misfire. Same shrooms, just ate a lot more and fasted.
Aside from the science of potency and tolerance (which is a set), I find shrooms to be shamanic and that allows for disciplined. It's an art, science and religion.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Dabrit]
#23959257 - 12/26/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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voodoochild1000 said: The last two times I did mushrooms they did next to nothing for me.
3 weeks ago....6g. Of cyans
1week ago 6g. of tried and true cubes from a batch that we've been eating off of since June and tripping hard as f*** every single time....
We wrote the cyans off as bunk they were given to us by a friend and we had no idea of knowing how authentic they were.
Then a friend that we gave some to reported to us that he tripped harder than he ever had in his life off the very same mushrooms?
I'm not sure what's up with the cubensis? We ate 6 grams and 6 hits of acid one month ago and it was literally the most intense trip me and my Bro's life!... just awesome!
I'm not sure exactly what is going on. I don't think that we have lost the magic because we've only been doing things every two weeks and treating it with respect and I can't see how things would go off a cliff and then all the sudden we get absolutely nothing from what is normally a solid to massive type dose.
Plus, what is the likelihood that me and my friend would lose the magic at the exact same time?
The other obvious option is that the mushrooms are bunk but it just seems odd with how we trip super hard on the cubes like 1 month ago and that our friend got off super hard on the cyans...
Or a third option that we've been speculating on is that we smoked DMT after the last good mushroom trip and somehow the DMT has made it so we won't trip on mushrooms anymore? Although I feel this is unlikely. Especially because LSD seems to work just fine....
I'm thinking about eating 7 grams of the cubes maybe during the day the next couple days just to see if they work or not.
Can mushrooms go from Super potent to nothing and one month's time? Is it possible to lose the magic instantaneously and go from getting super tripped-out to absolutely nothing from one trip to the next?
Opinions please....
Speaking from first hand experience I can tell you long term psilocybin tolerance is a real thing. I took off 2 months from shrooms and still couldn't have a full on trip. Am now abstaining for a lengthy period of time it's now been 5 months and I may wait till next summer until I do them again as if it's not a full on trip it's just not worth it.
People on this very forum tried to tell me long term tolerance doesn't exist they are very wrong as I've confirmed with the same batch of shroom's that I got nothing from fucking up other friends of mine.
Last time I tried I dosed with 5 grams which is supposedly enough for a level 5 trip( full on psychedelic) and other than the come up and some kinda cool CEV it was a dud trip which ended in less than an hour.
My advice to you is to take a few months off and when you go into it again don't have any expectations. Also not sure if you take any medications be sure that these aren't interacting with the shrooms and somehow lessening the trip
...but to go from best ever to nothing?....idk....
I just can't imagine the magic just disappearing....right after my greatest trip?
...I feel like I need a fresh batch to know.......
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Same boat, the only thing that still works to some degree is MJ, none of the tryptamines seem to work anymore. Will be abstaining for 6 months or better, but over a month between trips and still nothing isn't very encouraging.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#23959955 - 12/27/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: Same boat, the only thing that still works to some degree is MJ, none of the tryptamines seem to work anymore. Will be abstaining for 6 months or better, but over a month between trips and still nothing isn't very encouraging.
What led up to it?.... why are you tripping an extreme amount of times? Like I said we've been trippin on these mushrooms every two weeks for months even 1 week intervals for a one month. And it just kept getting deeper and deeper and super trippy and then all the sudden in one month's time it turns to absolutely nothing?
... it just doesn't seem probable or possible?
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I've noticed a lot of people are starting to have problems with their trips including myself
One day I'll have a high level 3, the next time with a similar dose I'll get next to nothing and just leaves me shaking my head
I remember back in the summer some guy came on here with a "message from the shrooms" saying that they were pissed at us for using it like a party drug when they are the great teachers warning us to stop
As silly as that post looked at the time, I'm startin to wonder..
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Eywa_devotee said: Same boat, the only thing that still works to some degree is MJ, none of the tryptamines seem to work anymore. Will be abstaining for 6 months or better, but over a month between trips and still nothing isn't very encouraging.
I don't think this is gonna work either
I waited 5 fuking months last spring just to have one of the worst trips of my life
I think I'm going back to the way the ancient indians aztecs etc. used to eat them. Not weighing the dose at all and instead just munching on them, slowly, until the body says "stop"
I feel like so many of us are trying to force strong trips, and the shrooms are like "up yours."
I took 5.5 grams on christmas and it was the worst christmas of my life. I'm done trying to force strong trips
Edited by cube talk (12/27/16 08:41 AM)
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: cube talk]
#23959983 - 12/27/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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cube talk said: I've noticed a lot of people are starting to have problems with their trips including myself
One day I'll have a high level 3, the next time with a similar dose I'll get next to nothing and just leaves me shaking my head
I remember back in the summer some guy came on here with a "message from the shrooms" saying that they were pissed at us for using it like a party drug when they are the great teachers warning us to stop
As silly as that post looked at the time, I'm startin to wonder..
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Eywa_devotee said: Same boat, the only thing that still works to some degree is MJ, none of the tryptamines seem to work anymore. Will be abstaining for 6 months or better, but over a month between trips and still nothing isn't very encouraging.
I don't think this is gonna work either
I waited 5 fuking months last spring just to have one of the worst trips of my life
I think I'm going back to the way the ancient indians aztecs etc. used to eat them. Not weighing the dose at all and instead just munching on them, slowly, until the body says "stop"
I feel like so many of us are trying to force strong trips, and the shrooms are like "up yours."
I took 5.5 grams on christmas and it was the worst christmas of my life. I'm done trying to force strong trips
I have a feeling I'm not going to get an answer to my question LOL!
I just don't understand how I can go from the most intense trips ever to absolutely nothing?... some "lose the magic posts" seem to refer to losing their magical introspective part but they still claim to be tripping so to say?
I just don't see how I could take 6 grams of the cyans and feel absolutely nothing? Or the cubes?
Has anyone experienced this from one trip to the next I mean getting super high one time and then getting absolutely nothing the next?
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cube talk said: I've noticed a lot of people are starting to have problems with their trips including myself
One day I'll have a high level 3, the next time with a similar dose I'll get next to nothing and just leaves me shaking my head
I remember back in the summer some guy came on here with a "message from the shrooms" saying that they were pissed at us for using it like a party drug when they are the great teachers warning us to stop
As silly as that post looked at the time, I'm startin to wonder..
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Eywa_devotee said: Same boat, the only thing that still works to some degree is MJ, none of the tryptamines seem to work anymore. Will be abstaining for 6 months or better, but over a month between trips and still nothing isn't very encouraging.
I don't think this is gonna work either
I waited 5 fuking months last spring just to have one of the worst trips of my life
I think I'm going back to the way the ancient indians aztecs etc. used to eat them. Not weighing the dose at all and instead just munching on them, slowly, until the body says "stop"
I feel like so many of us are trying to force strong trips, and the shrooms are like "up yours."
I took 5.5 grams on christmas and it was the worst christmas of my life. I'm done trying to force strong trips
I have a feeling I'm not going to get an answer to my question LOL!
I just don't understand how I can go from the most intense trips ever to absolutely nothing?... some "lose the magic posts" seem to refer to losing their magical introspective part but they still claim to be tripping so to say?
I just don't see how I could take 6 grams of the cyans and feel absolutely nothing? Or the cubes?
Has anyone experienced this from one trip to the next I mean getting super high one time and then getting absolutely nothing the next?
There is no answer
You have zero tolerance at the rate you were doing them, that's beyond debatable
You have already provided evidence they are without a doubt not bunk
So at this point it comes down to the shrooms themselves, they have a spirit you know
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: cube talk]
#23960140 - 12/27/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cray cray... not shure what to make of it.....
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I've been there and it sucks. Only thing that I haven't noticed this on was DXM but i don't like to take those 3rd and 4th level platue dxm trips that often anymore
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: cube talk]
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cube talk said: I've noticed a lot of people are starting to have problems with their trips including myself
One day I'll have a high level 3, the next time with a similar dose I'll get next to nothing and just leaves me shaking my head
I remember back in the summer some guy came on here with a "message from the shrooms" saying that they were pissed at us for using it like a party drug when they are the great teachers warning us to stop
As silly as that post looked at the time, I'm startin to wonder..
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Eywa_devotee said: Same boat, the only thing that still works to some degree is MJ, none of the tryptamines seem to work anymore. Will be abstaining for 6 months or better, but over a month between trips and still nothing isn't very encouraging.
I don't think this is gonna work either
I waited 5 fuking months last spring just to have one of the worst trips of my life
I think I'm going back to the way the ancient indians aztecs etc. used to eat them. Not weighing the dose at all and instead just munching on them, slowly, until the body says "stop"
I feel like so many of us are trying to force strong trips, and the shrooms are like "up yours."
I took 5.5 grams on christmas and it was the worst christmas of my life. I'm done trying to force strong trips
I have a feeling I'm not going to get an answer to my question LOL!
I just don't understand how I can go from the most intense trips ever to absolutely nothing?... some "lose the magic posts" seem to refer to losing their magical introspective part but they still claim to be tripping so to say?
I just don't see how I could take 6 grams of the cyans and feel absolutely nothing? Or the cubes?
Has anyone experienced this from one trip to the next I mean getting super high one time and then getting absolutely nothing the next?
There is no answer
You have zero tolerance at the rate you were doing them, that's beyond debatable
You have already provided evidence they are without a doubt not bunk
So at this point it comes down to the shrooms themselves, they have a spirit you know
I disagree the whole notion of as long as you wait two weeks there should be zero tolerance only applies to temporary short term tolerance.
I truly believe if there has been a period where you may have done them multiple times within a two week period then there's a chance you can develop long term tolerance to the shrooms. That's what happened to me anyway I had a 3 gram trip then less than a week later did a 7 gram trip which was the most amazing trip of my life but ever since then even taking one to three months off I still could not acquire a full on " magic " trip and this was dosing on shrooms known to be potent to other people I know.
I have a feeling if you do them too frequently and that includes waiting two weeks that there maybe some residual binding of psilocin in the 5HT2A receptor sites that for whatever reason isn't being fully flushed out which would explain the long term tolerance. According to wiki it binds to tightly to the 5HT2A serotonin receptor and mimics the serotonin effects at that site this would explain the euphoria felt.
It is shown to bind less tightly to the 5-HT1A, 5-HT1D, and 5-HT2C Add to the receptors and has a mild effect in these regions but does still have some effect on them in terms of mood and motivation.
I'm not sure if there's a way to flush out the said receptor which in turn could eliminate all tolerance. Someone had suggested to me that maybe having a breakthrough dose of DMT could do the trick but this seemed like speculation as wasn't backed up with a credible source.
MDMA dosing will not work I know that much as it works on a different set of receptors( TAAR1 and VMAT2) and basically acts as a reuptake inhibitor allowing more serotonin to flood the brain and produce it's effects.
My guess is the only thing that will restore the magic so to speak will be time. and more than a month off I'd aim for 6 months or longer.
The fact that you dosed on any multiple grams of Pan Cyan's should raise a red flag as they are said to be 5 x stronger than regular cubes and the amount you took should have left you almost catatonic that's an insane amount to take for Pans.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Dabrit]
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I agree about the cyans.... the only other person that Adam said he had the best trip of his life!.... I just can't believe I felt literally nothing?... I mean I felt the come up part but when I should have emerged into Mass euphoria it just never happened.
That does should have totally wrecked me
I'm thinking about doing seven or eight grams of the cubes on Thursday to see if it does anything for me?....
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I'm just trying to determine when people say they lost the magic if that means they felt literally nothing or that it just was missing the quote and quote magical part but they still felt extremely psychedelic and tripped out?
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I just figured that if I was going to lose the magic it wouldn't happen all of a sudden that it would gradually decrease over several trips
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voodoochild1000 said: I agree about the cyans.... the only other person that Adam said he had the best trip of his life!.... I just can't believe I felt literally nothing?... I mean I felt the come up part but when I should have emerged into Mass euphoria it just never happened.
That does should have totally wrecked me
I'm thinking about doing seven or eight grams of the cubes on Thursday to see if it does anything for me?....
Honestly I'd advise against it man give your brain a break and a chance to refresh itself. If you do 7 grams then you're just hitting restart on the tolerance clock in my mind.
Like I said I tried taking high doses to compensate for the tolerance and all that happened was like you said the come up felt normal but then boom the trip disappeared. So now this meant that even though I'd waited two months I was back to 0 days since last dosing adding more time on to when I would be able to trip again.
I get the want and need to trip for me they are the most fantastic substance known to man they make me feel more like me than I do sober if that even makes sense. Free of ego and self doubt more connected than ever to loved ones and the feeling of joy being restored in the world each and every time if they do in fact " work properly" But if they don't frustration just sets in which is not what you want.
Take the winter off, think forward to the summer and how much more awesome it will be to have a dope ass trip in the middle of the summer starring up at the night sky in awe of just how magical this universe truly is. It'll be worth it sir.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Dabrit]
#23960556 - 12/27/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm feeling you Bro... I'm just totally Blown Away now it just completely stopped working!... I never saw this coming... when we did mushrooms weekly for a month the trips just got more and more intense not less
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I just feel like I really need to know if it's the mushroom or me?
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voodoochild1000 said: I just feel like I really need to know if it's the mushroom or me?
Likely you I'm sorry to say. Unless you have a friend handy who hasn't dosed in a long time who can try the same batch you likely won't be able to confirm 100%.
My advice remains the same. Take an extended absense the amount you were trying to dose with is extreme and if that wasn't even working then perhaps this is a sign for you to focus your attention elsewhere.
Start some new projects
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Dabrit]
#23961156 - 12/27/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is the mushrooms. Almost everyone here seems to be unaware that mushrooms vary from one to the next. It doesn't matter if they grew from the same cake, you found them in the same patch, w/e. Unless you have an isolate then you will have varience. I've had mushrooms from a bag I grew where 3g would send me to the moon and another 3g would literally do nothing at all, totally bunk. I've also tripped an uncountable number of times.
I've tripped many days in a row numerous times, I've tripped for almost 2 weeks straight once.. Or maybe it was 3? Regardless I am affected by them just as much as I ever was, if anything I would say they even have a reverse tolerance in the long term.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: krypto2000]
#23961179 - 12/27/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's for you sir. Everyone is different for most people short term tolerance applies meaning if you dose one day if you do them again the second day you need to do on average 3 x the original dose to have the same effect. There is a tolerance calculator somewhere posted on this site. And then even still for some two weeks will not be enough to baseline and long term tolerance can occur as it has for me. I have tried several different batches waiting a couple months between at times and every time since last summer I have not been able to trip properly. I highly doubt 8 batches in a row of shrooms would be bunk especially when people I know who did some from the same bag got high as fuck.
Reverse tolerance is real though and does happen for some people but that is more the exception than the rule
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Dabrit]
#23961217 - 12/27/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can't say you're wrong but it just seems like there's a more likely explanation than a sudden tolerance that very few people report. You two are the only ones I can even remember having claimed this in my decade of membership. It also seems very strange that it would go from full blown mystical experience to "I can't trip" as opposed to, "well, that wasn't as enjoyable as I'm used to" and degress from there. Mdma is known for that and even those users do not experience such a rapid loss. Again I'm not saying you're wrong or it's impossible but it just doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: krypto2000]
#23961237 - 12/27/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me it wasnt as sudden as for the OP but was significant. Basically now all I get is come up butterfly and very mild visuals that's about it no matter the dose
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Dabrit]
#23961357 - 12/27/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Definitely not the shrooms going bad to be sure. A buddy of mine took 3 grams and was gone for over 5 hours. Ended up giving him the rest of my stash. I hope my brain isn't what's going bad.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#23961395 - 12/27/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You shouldn't have given up that fast
You should have taken a mild dose around a week later and tested the waters again
6 grams AND 6 hits of acid?
son..
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: cube talk]
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cube talk said: You shouldn't have given up that fast
You should have taken a mild dose around a week later and tested the waters again
6 grams AND 6 hits of acid?
son..
slow the fuk down
We were up to 9n9 at one point.....
It's just doesn't make sense... I don't think my brain can just make it "not happen"
These shrooms are the most potent I've ever had...there is no way my brain could just decide to ignore that level of psilocybin...
I just gonna do some more on Thursday....if They don't work I'll still be confused and will have to wait for new batch.
If the new batch doesn't work....maybe it is my brain....
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dont weigh out the dose this time
Instead just munch on them slowly until you start to fill filled and then stop
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: cube talk]
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cube talk said: dont weigh out the dose this time
Instead just munch on them slowly until you start to fill filled and then stop
I'm not sure how this is going to answer my question as far as the potency of the shrooms
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cube talk said: dont weigh out the dose this time
Instead just munch on them slowly until you start to fill filled and then stop
I'm not sure how this is going to answer my question as far as the potency of the shrooms
It likely won't. Like I said I'd recommend getting a new batch and then find someone you know who does trip occassionally but doesn't do them regularly like yourself, have them dose and have them report back( human guinea pig) if possible ask if they can find a large sized fruit that could be split up between the two of you and have them dose. If they trip no problem then you eat the other half of the larger sized fruit and can't trip then you have your answer.
I've got to be honest though I have been taking magic mushrooms since the age of 17 and would often trip weekly during those first few years. Never had I not tripped off shrooms until 2015 when I was 34 then all of a sudden I couldn't have a full on trip, like I said trying multiple times with different batches from different sources and sources I know sell tried and tested clones.
Sometimes I'd wait two weeks other times waiting 2 months and nada, just a very mild stone. I hardly think that I could go over 15 years being able to trip each and every time then all of a sudden in one year I get 8 or more bunk batches of mushrooms in a row but in the previous 15 years had none....It's likely me as it is likely you sir unfortunately.
But like I said you could try and find a guinea pig to confirm.
Just out of curiosity you aren't taking any prescription medications are you? Or perhaps over the counter meds like 5HTP or St Johns Wort?
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Dabrit]
#23962558 - 12/28/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are you taking any medications or life changes that happened when psilocybin stopped working for you?
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Psychonott]
#23963045 - 12/28/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No drugs or life changing events....
Like I said we hypothesize that the little bit of DMT we smoke made it so we couldn't trip on mushrooms but I have never heard that and it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense...
..what do u guys think?
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voodoochild1000 said: No drugs or life changing events....
Like I said we hypothesize that the little bit of DMT we smoke made it so we couldn't trip on mushrooms but I have never heard that and it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense...
..what do u guys think?
The DMT would be an irrelevant factor unless you tried to dose with the shrooms within one hour of doing a hit of DMT as there is cross tolerance between the two as there is cross tolerance between most psychedelics. It only takes 1 hour to completely baseline yourself though from The DMT where you would no longer have any residual tolerance left in fact you would be ready for another breakthrough dose if you wanted to. And could dose on the shrooms, the opposite would be true of the shrooms though, if you had dosed on the shrooms first and were still high in the middle of your trip it would affect the ability to be able to breakthrough on the DMT and for a longer period than an hour. Likely you would not be successful until the psilocybin is fully out of your system and it may take up to two weeks to be able to have a full on DMT breakthrough without upping the regular dose.
In Dr Rick Straussmans book " DMT The Spirit Molecule" he refers to psilocybin as orally active DMT. They are almost identical from a molecular structure.
In summary I doubt the DMT had anything to do with it.
Find yourself a human guinea pig already lol
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Psychonott]
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Psychonott said: Are you taking any medications or life changes that happened when psilocybin stopped working for you?
No in fact when it occurred I was in a very good place in my life, however a few months later the roller coast that is life took a dive and all kinds of problems arose, I ended up getting chronic insomnia which led to increased anxiety and depression, that's when I started becoming addicted to sleeping pills and right now am on the journey to recovery.
In the midst of all the turmoil I did try and dose on shrooms a few times as they are known for their anti depressant effects, but like before they just wouldn't work. This could also be do to the Klonopin in my system along with the long term tolerance I had already acquired prior.
I will not be trying to dose again likely until next summer and I'm off all pharmaceutical drugs and will have been a good year since my last dose more than enough time I think for the magic to return.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: Dabrit]
#23963306 - 12/28/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe they don't have anything to show you? Cyans are supposed to be Sttteerrrronnng too.. Weird..I'd have to say the same about the tolerance break. But you're right NOTHING at all IS weird...
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: AstralAndrew]
#23963369 - 12/28/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well...gonna try that same bag tomorrow... if nothing I'll wait for next batch...if that doesn't work I'll break till summer!
Still so weird.....
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23963864 - 12/28/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The last two times I did mushrooms they did next to nothing for me.
3 weeks ago....6g. Of cyans
1week ago 6g. of tried and true cubes from a batch that we've been eating off of since June and tripping hard as f*** every single time....
We wrote the cyans off as bunk they were given to us by a friend and we had no idea of knowing how authentic they were.
Then a friend that we gave some to reported to us that he tripped harder than he ever had in his life off the very same mushrooms?
I'm not sure what's up with the cubensis? We ate 6 grams and 6 hits of acid one month ago and it was literally the most intense trip me and my Bro's life!... just awesome!
Well, much of what been's said might apply. I've had times where in the middle of heavy experiences literally nothing - NOTHING - happens. And then that's over and it's back to normal. I've tripped multiple days in the week, weeks on end, until reaching max tolerance (about 5-6 X what an ordinary baseline dose is) and when I've done that the "NOTHING" part doesn't ever happen. When I got the big brushoff I had to think about what I was doing and why. But you're doing that. If I had shrooms right now I'd send ya some bro. But I'm only just getting back to cultivation.
Get another supply, find another batch of cyans (wild are extremely variable), go into the next experience with humble shamanic expectations only asking to be shown what's needed, you might be surprised... 
FWIW I've never had the mushrooms consistently hold any part of my attitude or approach or intentions against me except to show better paths I might be following. None of those include a complete shutdown of psychedelic effect though...
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Hi,
I'm not sure if this is still relevant, but I was thinking that perhaps your extensive history with high doses of powerful psychedelics, that maybe your tolerance is such that the mushrooms have no effect on you, regardless of their potency. I would suggest maybe taking 2 months off from all psychoactive substances (including cannabis) and then try taking a similar dose?
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: FWIW I've never had the mushrooms consistently hold any part of my attitude or approach or intentions against me except to show better paths I might be following. None of those include a complete shutdown of psychedelic effect though...
^^^^^This.
Gonna try same batch this morning...if nothing will wait for new batch. It seems as though the consensus is that cubensis mushrooms don't go from Super potent to absolutely nothing in 30 days time.
I'm going to get to the bottom of this...
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help... [Re: voodoochild1000]
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help... [Re: PrimalSoup]
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So I ate some more mushrooms out of that saying that as well as my friend and neither of us felt jack s***....
.. I'm still going with it has to be the mushrooms have gone totally bunk. I just can't see how myself, let alone my friend, would both stop feeling the effects entirely at the same time.
I will wait for a new batch and then try that and if it doesn't work then I would be willing to believe it's in my head. I just don't understand how my brain could just shut down 7 grams of good mushrooms
.....anyways.... looks like acid for the next couple trips
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#23967846 - 12/30/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you just got your answer then.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help... [Re: voodoochild1000]
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voodoochild1000 said: So I ate some more mushrooms out of that saying that as well as my friend and neither of us felt jack s***....
.. I'm still going with it has to be the mushrooms have gone totally bunk. I just can't see how myself, let alone my friend, would both stop feeling the effects entirely at the same time.
I will wait for a new batch and then try that and if it doesn't work then I would be willing to believe it's in my head. I just don't understand how my brain could just shut down 7 grams of good mushrooms
.....anyways.... looks like acid for the next couple trips
Could be the shrooms THIS TIME but you said you had tried a few different batches prior and none of them had worked no? If you're on here I'm wondering if you have your own projects on the go or are about to. If so maybe hitting up someone in the market place for some trusty prints might be an idea and then you could try your experiment again this time within controlled parameters.
I'm just of the opinion that pretty much any substance you do on a regular basis eventually will lead to tolerance and this even includes weed. For most people weed helps them sleep but if you smoke a gram joint before bed each and every night and rely on it eventually it will stop helping you sleep...I know this from first hand experience.
I've developed tolerance to weed, shrooms, acid, Ashwaghanda, over the counter sleep aids, melatonin, benzos etc etc etc. Too much of anything usually leads to tolerance most of the time it's short term but some times it's not.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help... [Re: Dabrit]
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voodoochild1000 said: .. I'm still going with it has to be the mushrooms have gone totally bunk. I just can't see how myself, let alone my friend, would both stop feeling the effects entirely at the same time.
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23978528 - 01/03/17 11:21 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Update....
... so we have two people that have tried the cubes that we felt nothing on and they both say they had decent trips!
...oh man.... I just don't see how I can trip every two weeks for 2 years and then all the sudden mushrooms that have kicked my ass for 6 months just totally turn to nothing?
..... I f****** love mushrooms and I just want to keep having the awesome experiences that I've been having and I don't understand how they can go to total s*** like that for me or how my brain just refuses to process what has previously been an ass-kicking amount of psilocybin
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Re: Last 2 mushroom trips didn't work! WTF? Please Help... [Re: voodoochild1000]
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voodoochild1000 said: Update....
... so we have two people that have tried the cubes that we felt nothing on and they both say they had decent trips!
...oh man.... I just don't see how I can trip every two weeks for 2 years and then all the sudden mushrooms that have kicked my ass for 6 months just totally turn to nothing?
..... I f****** love mushrooms and I just want to keep having the awesome experiences that I've been having and I don't understand how they can go to total s*** like that for me or how my brain just refuses to process what has previously been an ass-kicking amount of psilocybin
So you have your answer then. You're like me dude you were just doing them too much and doing them in too high a dose. Just take a few months off I'd say 6 try again in the summer I'm sure you'll be gravy by then as I will.
If you really wanna trip in the meantime maybe DMT? I've never heard of long term tolerance with that stuff
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... so we have two people that have tried the cubes that we felt nothing on and they both say they had decent trips!
...oh man.... I just don't see how I can trip every two weeks for 2 years and then all the sudden mushrooms that have kicked my ass for 6 months just totally turn to nothing?
..... I f****** love mushrooms and I just want to keep having the awesome experiences that I've been having and I don't understand how they can go to total s*** like that for me or how my brain just refuses to process what has previously been an ass-kicking amount of psilocybin
So you have your answer then. You're like me dude you were just doing them too much and doing them in too high a dose. Just take a few months off I'd say 6 try again in the summer I'm sure you'll be gravy by then as I will.
If you really wanna trip in the meantime maybe DMT? I've never heard of long term tolerance with that stuff
... I have some OKC embark that we need to get into but I just been enjoying this shroom trip so much I keep putting it off but I guess now it's time. It's crazy though because LSD seems to work just fine and it's basically affecting the same receptors so I don't feel like I'm having receptor problems per se....
Hi I just still cannot understand how my brain could just say no to that amount of ass-kicking mushrooms. I mean at least sort of the week but to get absolutely nothing and then be able to trip on LSD it's such a f****** Enigma to me and it's kind of just driving me nuts. I'm fine and I'll wait or grow some mushrooms and try it again a few months in the future. But it still makes no sense to me how I've been doing them for two years every two weeks and now all the sudden there's an issue and not just a regular issue like complete loss of potency
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... so we have two people that have tried the cubes that we felt nothing on and they both say they had decent trips!
...oh man.... I just don't see how I can trip every two weeks for 2 years and then all the sudden mushrooms that have kicked my ass for 6 months just totally turn to nothing?
..... I f****** love mushrooms and I just want to keep having the awesome experiences that I've been having and I don't understand how they can go to total s*** like that for me or how my brain just refuses to process what has previously been an ass-kicking amount of psilocybin
So you have your answer then. You're like me dude you were just doing them too much and doing them in too high a dose. Just take a few months off I'd say 6 try again in the summer I'm sure you'll be gravy by then as I will.
If you really wanna trip in the meantime maybe DMT? I've never heard of long term tolerance with that stuff
... I have some OKC embark that we need to get into but I just been enjoying this shroom trip so much I keep putting it off but I guess now it's time. It's crazy though because LSD seems to work just fine and it's basically affecting the same receptors so I don't feel like I'm having receptor problems per se....
Hi I just still cannot understand how my brain could just say no to that amount of ass-kicking mushrooms. I mean at least sort of the week but to get absolutely nothing and then be able to trip on LSD it's such a f****** Enigma to me and it's kind of just driving me nuts. I'm fine and I'll wait or grow some mushrooms and try it again a few months in the future. But it still makes no sense to me how I've been doing them for two years every two weeks and now all the sudden there's an issue and not just a regular issue like complete loss of potency
....ugh
Makes no sense to me either that after 17 years of being active with participating with shrooms on a weekly basis at first for months that after this long I developed long term tolerance. It is what it is though try not to get frustrated and don't do them again you'll only be mad at the fact they didn't work and now you've had to hit reset again on the waiting period.
If you can trip on acid and enjoy it do it. Personally I think LSD sucks compared to shrooms way too long of a trip no euphoria far more confusion and just overall doesn't feel natural to me.
DMT However both terrifies me and excites me beyond belief. When you micro dose with it it has amazing anti anxiety properties
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