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What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex?
#23958627 - 12/26/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been curious about how the Shroomery breaks down on this issue but for some reason it only just occurred to me to make a poll.
I'm sure that most of us are against stiff sentences for minor drug offenses and such, but how about the philosophy of incarceration as a whole? Do you believe it betters our communities and society to lock people up for crimes both minor and severe? If so, do you think it's fine the way it is, or do the correctors need correction?
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23958637 - 12/26/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Admiral Ackbar - "It's A Trap!"

That pretty much sums it up
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: musiclover420]
#23958680 - 12/26/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Should be expanded beyond prison.
Sentences should include more community service. More education and less interaction with other criminals. I you lock a thief with other thieves, they're all gonna become super theives. Locking him up with a murderer helps nothing.
It's not con college for nothing. Keep the criminals away from other criminals. Limit the criminal knowledge they can gain while serving a sentence. In fact it's the opposite that should be done. Criminals should be implanted in low crime and high respect areas so it can brush off on him.
If he's a psychopth though, we still don't have a pill for that yet, so lockem up
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23958686 - 12/26/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: I've been curious about how the Shroomery breaks down on this issue but for some reason it only just occurred to me to make a poll.
the penal system needs some adjustments, the legal system needs a fuckload of adjustment
now by "abolish the penal system" does that mean we start executing convicts regardless of their crime?
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Patlal]
#23958700 - 12/26/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The justice system is a practice of hate and social cleansing. Cause and affect are not part of the equation, unless to blame individuals. Poor people and people from broken families are a huge part of prison and jail. They gotta force there views on convicts. A lot of us will never be able to live a clean life. The perminant records will always make the easy money of crime a way out of societies constraints.
It all backfired. Criminals are romanticized in culture, from music to movies. Criminals drugs are incredibly attractive to young people looking to rebel. So many people's views are counter to the law makers and those that enforce rules.
Mostly, jails and prisons warehouse the mentally ill and drug addicted. Society see's no better option on how to treat the misfits.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23958704 - 12/26/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Too many stupid lengthy sentences, too much probation, too many prisoners and all illegals who commit a crime should be DEPORTED instead of milking the US taxpayer.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23958705 - 12/26/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It could mean that, or it could mean finding alternative means of rehabilitation for crimininals, or anything else that would entail the cessation of incarceration altogether.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23958720 - 12/26/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: It could mean that, or it could mean finding alternative means of rehabilitation for crimininals, or anything else that would entail the cessation of incarceration altogether.
so let's say someone walks into a bar in florida, shoots a hundred people, kills 50 of them, what should be done with him?
let's say someone is robbing a lady at gun point, he's nervous and shoots her , what should be done with him?
a lady decides she's done with her marriage but she wants the husband's money, she has someone murder him, what should be done with her?
a man rapes and kills a woman, what should be done with him?
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: qman]
#23958730 - 12/26/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said: Too many stupid lengthy sentences, too much probation, too many prisoners and all illegals who commit a crime should be DEPORTED instead of milking the US taxpayer.
If it's federal or a felony, they do get deported after their sentence is served. Some as you break a law in another country, you serve your time then get deported.
The system rarely heals. Not everyone can change their life. Some drugs and lifestyles have a powerful grip nobody ever breaks completely. They also make it really hard to be a citizen after doing time. Society has a lot of criminals never caught and those people shun hose that have been caught. They won't hire you but they will smoke your weed with you.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23958734 - 12/26/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: It could mean that, or it could mean finding alternative means of rehabilitation for crimininals, or anything else that would entail the cessation of incarceration altogether.
so let's say someone walks into a bar in florida, shoots a hundred people, kills 50 of them, what should be done with him?
let's say someone is robbing a lady at gun point, he's nervous and shoots her , what should be done with him?
a lady decides she's done with her marriage but she wants the husband's money, she has someone murder him, what should be done with her?
a man rapes and kills a woman, what should be done with him?
There are sentencing guidelines as well as jury and judges discretion. Lot's of states have death penalties.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23958748 - 12/26/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had been in the funny farm 3 or so times. Some pro criminal shrink said I was legally sane because I did drugs. Didn't matter that someone got me wet and didn't tell me.
The lack of analysis amongst most criminal cases is disturbing. It's a system with slaughterhouse mechanics and process.
They would of saved me a lot of money, jail time and hostipitol stays if they got me on the right med the first time.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23958835 - 12/26/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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all criminals should be deported to an island where they have to work and monitor their own economy untill they're released
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Konyap]
#23958939 - 12/26/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Konyap said: all criminals should be deported to an island where they have to work and monitor their own economy untill they're released
That was Australia. There have been many penal colonies.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23958954 - 12/26/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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the whole damned system needs an overhaul. for one, dont make taxpayers pay for that.
also prison for profit idea is pretty fucking retarded.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23958985 - 12/26/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The penal system is fucked, and really needs to be fixed STAT, but big bro makes a killing from incarcerating people for non-violent crimes, so why would they change, we're just cattle to them, at least it seems that way.
I think the first thing which needs to be fixed, are the penalties for drug convictions.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: rackem] 3
#23959001 - 12/26/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have an uncle who has been in and out of prison and it hasn't done him any good. He was/ is a junky and first got sent in after he started stealing to feed his addiction.
Last I heard he was going back to jail after being arrested with drugs money and guns in his house/ apartment.
All it really does is keep people in an oppressive system. If it wasn't for his mom being well off he would have been fucked years ago, now he has pretty much bled her dry and she can't afford to pay for everything now. For awhile she was even paying for his girlfriends phone who is also a junky he lives with 
The problem is the jail and many rehabs are designed to profit off of people not make them better.
It is pretty similiar to our medical/ pharmaceutical system, why make cures when you can make patients.
This is why I think it is amazing Brazil is experimenting with ayahuasca ceremonies for lifetime felons, it has a ton of potential:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/29/world/americas/a-hallucinogenic-tea-time-for-some-brazilian-prisoners.html?_r=0
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JI-PARANÁ, Brazil — As the night sky enveloped this outpost in Brazil’s Amazon basin, the ceremony at the open-air temple began simply enough.
Dozens of adults and children, all clad in white, stood in a line. A holy man handed each a cup of ayahuasca, a muddy-looking hallucinogenic brew. They gulped it down; some vomited. Hymns were sung. More ayahuasca was consumed. By midnight, the congregants seemed strangely energized. Then the dancing began.
Such rituals are a fixture across the Amazon, where ayahuasca has been consumed for centuries and entire religions have coalesced around the psychedelic concoction. But the ceremony one night this month was different: Among those imbibing from the holy man’s decanter were prison inmates, convicted of crimes such as murder, kidnapping and rape.
“I’m finally realizing I was on the wrong path in this life,” said Celmiro de Almeida, 36, who is serving a sentence for homicide at a prison four hours away on a road that winds through the jungle. “Each experience helps me communicate with my victim to beg for forgiveness,” said Mr. de Almeida, who has taken ayahuasca nearly 20 times at the sanctuary here.
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The provision of a hallucinogen to inmates on short furloughs in the middle of the rain forest reflects a continuing quest for ways to ease pressure on Brazil’s prison system. The country’s inmate population has doubled since the start of the century to more than 550,000, straining underfunded prisons rife with human rights violations and violent uprisings complete with beheadings.
One of the bloodiest prison revolts in recent decades took place in the nearby city of Porto Velho, in 2002, when at least 27 inmates were killed at the Urso Branco prison. Around the same time, Acuda, a pioneering prisoners’ rights group in Porto Velho, began offering inmates therapy sessions in yoga, meditation and Reiki, a healing ritual directing energy from the practitioner’s hands to a patient’s body.
Two years ago, the volunteer therapists at Acuda had a new idea: Why not give the inmates ayahuasca as well? The Amazonian brew, which is generally made by blending and boiling a vine (Banisteriopsis caapi) with a leaf (Psychotria viridis), is growing in popularity in Brazil, the United States and other countries.
Acuda had trouble finding a place where the inmates could drink ayahuasca, but they were finally accepted by an offshoot here of Santo Daime, a Brazilian religion founded in the 1930s that blends Catholicism, African traditions and the trance communications with spirits popularized in the 19th century by a Frenchman known as Allan Kardec.
“Many people in Brazil believe that inmates must suffer, enduring hunger and depravity,” said Euza Beloti, 40, a psychologist with Acuda. “This thinking bolsters a system where prisoners return to society more violent than when they entered prison.” At Acuda, she said, “we simply see inmates as human beings with the capacity to change.”
Ms. Beloti and other therapists test aspects of this philosophy at a compound in a sprawling prison complex in Porto Velho. Judges and wardens allow about 10 inmates from maximum-security prisons in the city to live in the Acuda building, a former army installation. Dozens of other prisoners from surrounding penitentiaries attend Acuda’s therapy sessions each day.
Inside the compound, the inmates practice meditation. They perform ayurvedic massage on one another. They learn skills like motorcycle maintenance. A furniture workshop gives them access to tools like saws, hammers and drills. And they tend a garden, growing vegetables and the plants used to make ayahuasca.
 Alzimar Coelho, left, prayed after the ritual. The program for inmates is part of an effort to rehabilitate them and reduce pressure on the prison system.
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Treating inmates with psychedelic drugs anywhere is thought to be rare. In one short-lived experiment in the United States in the early 1960s, researchers from Harvard University under the direction of the psychologist Timothy Leary gave psilocybin, a drug derived from psychoactive mushrooms, to inmates at a prison in Concord, Mass.
“It’s certainly novel among prisoners, but ayahuasca has great potential because under optimal conditions, it can produce a transformative experience in a person,” said Dr. Charles S. Grob, a professor of psychiatry at the U.C.L.A. School of Medicine who has conducted extensive studies on ayahuasca.
Dr. Grob cautioned that there were risks. The brew could exacerbate the illnesses of people being treated with antipsychotic medications for schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Ingesting drugs like cocaine or methamphetamine before consuming ayahuasca is also dangerous.
“That would be a disaster, because the individual could have a hypertensive reaction leading to a stroke,” Dr. Grob said.
The supervisors at Acuda, who obtain a judge’s permission to take about 15 prisoners once a month to the temple ceremony, say they are mindful of the risks of ayahuasca, commonly called Daime in Brazil or referred to as tea. At the same time, Acuda’s therapists consume the brew with the inmates, as well as with the occasional prison guard who volunteers to accompany the group.
“This is how it should be,” said Virgílio Siqueira, 55, a retired police officer who works as a guard at the prison complex that includes Acuda. “It’s gratifying to know that we can sit here in the forest, drink our Daime, sing our hymns, exist in peace.”
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: musiclover420]
#23959005 - 12/26/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The entire purpose to the system is that Uncle Sam and those that follow him stay in power. Rulers used prisons for a long tine just for that and no moral purpose.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23959017 - 12/26/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: It could mean that, or it could mean finding alternative means of rehabilitation for crimininals, or anything else that would entail the cessation of incarceration altogether.
so let's say someone walks into a bar in florida, shoots a hundred people, kills 50 of them, what should be done with him?
let's say someone is robbing a lady at gun point, he's nervous and shoots her , what should be done with him?
a lady decides she's done with her marriage but she wants the husband's money, she has someone murder him, what should be done with her?
a man rapes and kills a woman, what should be done with him?
There are sentencing guidelines as well as jury and judges discretion. Lot's of states have death penalties.
those are within the legal system, not the penal system
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Sophistic Radiance said: It could mean that, or it could mean finding alternative means of rehabilitation for crimininals, or anything else that would entail the cessation of incarceration altogether.
so let's say someone walks into a bar in florida, shoots a hundred people, kills 50 of them, what should be done with him?
let's say someone is robbing a lady at gun point, he's nervous and shoots her , what should be done with him?
a lady decides she's done with her marriage but she wants the husband's money, she has someone murder him, what should be done with her?
a man rapes and kills a woman, what should be done with him?
Executed.
She gets to shoot him in the same spot if she survived. If he killed her, executed.
Executed, both the wife and the guy who killed the husband.
Gangbanged then executed.
you know what they say about an eye for an eye
it's easier to pick out the criminals because they'll have only 1 eye
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: musiclover420]
#23959026 - 12/26/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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musiclover420 said: The problem is the jail and many rehabs are designed to profit off of people not make them better.
a person has to take an active role in their rehabilitation, most people dont want to be rehabilitated because they dont genuinely admit to having a problem
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23959044 - 12/26/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are too many people in jail who don't belong there for the idea of rehabilitation to be broadly applicable. Putting those who don't need rehabilitation in the first place aside, I think it's the exception to the rule when an actual criminal is successfully rehabilitated by the system. Most people who enter the system are grievously harmed economically, socially and psychologically by it, rather than "rehabilitated". The conditions in our jails and prisons often anount to cruel and unusual punishment. Nobody benefits from being tortured.
Cool to see most responders are in favor of curtailing, though I'm surprised to see so few votes for abolition from such a libertarian community.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23959045 - 12/26/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They don't see a future either.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said: There are too many people in jail who don't belong there for the idea of rehabilitation to be broadly applicable. Putting those who don't need rehabilitation in the first place aside, I think it's the exception to the rule when an actual criminal is successfully rehabilitated by the system. Most people who enter the system are grievously harmed economically, socially and psychologically by it, rather than "rehabilitated". The conditions in our jails and prisons often anount to cruel and unusual punishment. Nobody benefits from being tortured.
Cool to see most responders are in favor of curtailing, though I'm surprised to see so few votes for abolition from such a libertarian community.
Lot's of tight ass republican conservatives on the shroomery. They let you know who they are. Think think harshness is power.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23959054 - 12/26/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I had been in the funny farm 3 or so times. Some pro criminal shrink said I was legally sane because I did drugs. Didn't matter that someone got me wet and didn't tell me.
The lack of analysis amongst most criminal cases is disturbing. It's a system with slaughterhouse mechanics and process.
They would of saved me a lot of money, jail time and hostipitol stays if they got me on the right med the first time.
The way the prison system and the psychiatric industry collaborate is blood-curdlingly Orwellian. This is a system that holds healthy people's freedom ransom to compliance with drug regimens that render them unhealthy.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23959060 - 12/26/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's like a fame of darts. Throw enough sober enough you may hit your mark.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23959067 - 12/26/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've seen people who were healthy and had no desire for psychiatric care imprisoned because they didn't want to be forced to take drugs they didn't need. Go figure you can get locked up for not taking the drugs the courts are shilling.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23959072 - 12/26/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That ever occurs unless you already are under justice system sanctions.
It's not a crime to not take your psych meds.
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#23959093 - 12/26/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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musiclover420 said: The problem is the jail and many rehabs are designed to profit off of people not make them better.
a person has to take an active role in their rehabilitation, most people dont want to be rehabilitated because they dont genuinely admit to having a problem
Of course but many people also need support to be fully rehabilitated especially when drug and or mental health issues are involved which is common.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
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moral oversight would be a nice addition to the system.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said: That ever occurs unless you already are under justice system sanctions.
It's not a crime to not take your psych meds.
No, but you can get dragged to a mental hospital and force-drugged at the whim of anybody who has more social capital than you.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: musiclover420]
#23959404 - 12/26/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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musiclover420 said: I have an uncle who has been in and out of prison and it hasn't done him any good. He was/ is a junky and first got sent in after he started stealing to feed his addiction.
Last I heard he was going back to jail after being arrested with drugs money and guns in his house/ apartment.
All it really does is keep people in an oppressive system. If it wasn't for his mom being well off he would have been fucked years ago, now he has pretty much bled her dry and she can't afford to pay for everything now. For awhile she was even paying for his girlfriends phone who is also a junky he lives with 
in this situation, his mom is an idiot and an idiot-enabler
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: demiu5]
#23959476 - 12/26/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yeah that was definitely a big part of the problem, she fed his habbit for a long time but she also paid for his lawyers and other fees that would have further fucked him over.
My point was the current system is more concerned with profiting off people then actually helping them. Like I said why create cures when you can create customers.
Instead of actually having reasonably priced effective rehabs for addicts they just get them all on methadone.
I knew another addict, single mother with 2 kids one of whom was a close childhood friend of mine. She was a biologist and was very smart but dated an asshole who got her hooked, anyways she had to move to be closer to her youngest son and ex boyfriend who pretty much kidnapped their son and drove down south She got over her addiction but is now semi permanently on methadone.
The system is so fucked up if she were to stop the methadone use with say kratom and try to get completely clean she could lose her kid for not taking her treatment...
Shit is fucked up. I really wanted to turn her onto kratom until I learned that...
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23959904 - 12/27/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: That ever occurs unless you already are under justice system sanctions.
It's not a crime to not take your psych meds.
No, but you can get dragged to a mental hospital and force-drugged at the whim of anybody who has more social capital than you.
Then don't forget your low place in society.
Honestly, mentally ill usually do not communicate very well. That's the reason most of the time for the hospital.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23960117 - 12/27/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: There are too many people in jail who don't belong there
then the problem isnt with the penal system, the problem is in the legal system, closing prisons will just make other prisons more crowded until the actual problems are addressed
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Cool to see most responders are in favor of curtailing, though I'm surprised to see so few votes for abolition from such a libertarian community.
libertarian doesnt mean raze the prisons
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: musiclover420]
#23960127 - 12/27/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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musiclover420 said: The problem is the jail and many rehabs are designed to profit off of people not make them better.
a person has to take an active role in their rehabilitation, most people dont want to be rehabilitated because they dont genuinely admit to having a problem
Of course but many people also need support to be fully rehabilitated especially when drug and or mental health issues are involved which is common.
the support is there as are the deterrents. most simply dont want it.
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23960235 - 12/27/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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heavily curtailed
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Connoisseur]
#23960239 - 12/27/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Too formal and burocratic. Needs more coin flips and an option to battle your accuser to the death.
For federal crimes that means Trump, so, you don't wanna be on that list. He's high tier
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23960582 - 12/27/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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musiclover420 said: The problem is the jail and many rehabs are designed to profit off of people not make them better.
a person has to take an active role in their rehabilitation, most people dont want to be rehabilitated because they dont genuinely admit to having a problem
Of course but many people also need support to be fully rehabilitated especially when drug and or mental health issues are involved which is common.
the support is there as are the deterrents. most simply dont want it.
I guess you speak for most people now
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23960711 - 12/27/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: There are too many people in jail who don't belong there
then the problem isnt with the penal system, the problem is in the legal system, closing prisons will just make other prisons more crowded until the actual problems are addressed
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Cool to see most responders are in favor of curtailing, though I'm surprised to see so few votes for abolition from such a libertarian community.
libertarian doesnt mean raze the prisons
Changes to the justice system commensurate with reducing the scope of the carceral complex were evidently wrapped up in the "curtail" option you're just being obtuse, like always. For fucks sake man, this is a serious discussion about serious issues. The horseplay and shenanigans you are indulging is wholly inappropriate. Bite me.
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