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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23959026 - 12/26/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The problem is the jail and many rehabs are designed to profit off of people not make them better.






a person has to take an active role in their rehabilitation, most people dont want
to be rehabilitated because they dont genuinely admit to having a problem


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23959044 - 12/26/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There are too many people in jail who don't belong there for the idea of rehabilitation to be broadly applicable. Putting those who don't need rehabilitation in the first place aside, I think it's the exception to the rule when an actual criminal is successfully rehabilitated by the system. Most people who enter the system are grievously harmed economically, socially and psychologically by it, rather than "rehabilitated". The conditions in our jails and prisons often anount to cruel and unusual punishment. Nobody benefits from being tortured.

Cool to see most responders are in favor of curtailing, though I'm surprised to see so few votes for abolition from such a libertarian community.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23959045 - 12/26/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

They don't see a future either.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23959047 - 12/26/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There are too many people in jail who don't belong there for the idea of rehabilitation to be broadly applicable. Putting those who don't need rehabilitation in the first place aside, I think it's the exception to the rule when an actual criminal is successfully rehabilitated by the system. Most people who enter the system are grievously harmed economically, socially and psychologically by it, rather than "rehabilitated". The conditions in our jails and prisons often anount to cruel and unusual punishment. Nobody benefits from being tortured.

Cool to see most responders are in favor of curtailing, though I'm surprised to see so few votes for abolition from such a libertarian community.




Lot's of tight ass republican conservatives on the shroomery.  They let you know who they are.  Think think harshness is power.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23959054 - 12/26/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I had been in the funny farm 3 or so times.  Some pro criminal shrink said I was legally sane because I did drugs.  Didn't matter that someone got me wet and didn't tell me. 

The lack of analysis amongst most criminal cases is disturbing.  It's a system with slaughterhouse mechanics and process.

They would of saved me a lot of money, jail time and hostipitol stays if they got me on the right med the first time.




The way the prison system and the psychiatric industry collaborate is blood-curdlingly Orwellian. This is a system that holds healthy people's freedom ransom to compliance with drug regimens that render them unhealthy.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23959060 - 12/26/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's like a fame of darts.  Throw enough sober enough you may hit your mark.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23959067 - 12/26/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've seen people who were healthy and had no desire for psychiatric care imprisoned because they didn't want to be forced to take drugs they didn't need. Go figure you can get locked up for not taking the drugs the courts are shilling.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23959072 - 12/26/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That ever occurs unless you already are under justice system sanctions.

It's not a crime to not take your psych meds.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23959093 - 12/26/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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musiclover420 said:
The problem is the jail and many rehabs are designed to profit off of people not make them better.






a person has to take an active role in their rehabilitation, most people dont want
to be rehabilitated because they dont genuinely admit to having a problem




Of course but many people also need support to be fully rehabilitated especially when drug and or mental health issues are involved which is common.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23959102 - 12/26/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

moral oversight would be a nice addition to the system.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23959168 - 12/26/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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That ever occurs unless you already are under justice system sanctions.

It's not a crime to not take your psych meds.




No, but you can get dragged to a mental hospital and force-drugged at the whim of anybody who has more social capital than you.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23959404 - 12/26/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I have an uncle who has been in and out of prison and it hasn't done him any good. He was/ is a junky and first got sent in after he started stealing to feed his addiction.

Last I heard he was going back to jail after being arrested with drugs money and guns in his house/ apartment.

All it really does is keep people in an oppressive system. If it wasn't for his mom being well off he would have been fucked years ago, now he has pretty much bled her dry and she can't afford to pay for everything now. For awhile she was even paying for his girlfriends phone who is also a junky he lives with :facepalm3:






in this situation, his mom is an idiot and an idiot-enabler


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: demiu5]
    #23959476 - 12/26/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oh yeah that was definitely a big part of the problem, she fed his habbit for a long time but she also paid for his lawyers and other fees that would have further fucked him over.

My point was the current system is more concerned with profiting off people then actually helping them. Like I said why create cures when you can create customers.

Instead of actually having reasonably priced effective rehabs for addicts they just get them all on methadone.

I knew another addict, single mother with 2 kids one of whom was a close childhood friend of mine. She was a biologist and was very smart but dated an asshole who got her hooked, anyways she had to move to be closer to her youngest son and ex boyfriend who pretty much kidnapped their son and drove down south :eek: She got over her addiction but is now semi permanently on methadone.

The system is so fucked up if she were to stop the methadone use with say kratom and try to get completely clean she could lose her kid for not taking her treatment...

Shit is fucked up. I really wanted to turn her onto kratom until I learned that...
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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23959904 - 12/27/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Morel Guy said:
That ever occurs unless you already are under justice system sanctions.

It's not a crime to not take your psych meds.




No, but you can get dragged to a mental hospital and force-drugged at the whim of anybody who has more social capital than you.




Then don't forget your low place in society.

Honestly, mentally ill usually do not communicate very well.  That's the reason most of the time for the hospital.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23960117 - 12/27/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There are too many people in jail who don't belong there




then the problem isnt with the penal system, the problem is in the legal system,
closing prisons will just make other prisons more crowded until the actual problems
are addressed

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Cool to see most responders are in favor of curtailing, though I'm surprised to see so few votes for abolition from such a libertarian community.




libertarian doesnt mean raze the prisons


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23960127 - 12/27/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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musiclover420 said:
The problem is the jail and many rehabs are designed to profit off of people not make them better.






a person has to take an active role in their rehabilitation, most people dont want
to be rehabilitated because they dont genuinely admit to having a problem




Of course but many people also need support to be fully rehabilitated especially when drug and or mental health issues are involved which is common.





the support is there as are the deterrents. most simply dont want it.


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23960235 - 12/27/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

heavily curtailed


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23960239 - 12/27/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Too formal and burocratic. Needs more coin flips and an option to battle your accuser to the death.

For federal crimes that means Trump, so, you don't wanna be on that list. He's high tier


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23960582 - 12/27/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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musiclover420 said:
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musiclover420 said:
The problem is the jail and many rehabs are designed to profit off of people not make them better.






a person has to take an active role in their rehabilitation, most people dont want
to be rehabilitated because they dont genuinely admit to having a problem




Of course but many people also need support to be fully rehabilitated especially when drug and or mental health issues are involved which is common.





the support is there as are the deterrents. most simply dont want it.




I guess you speak for most people now :rolleyes:


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Re: What's your take on the US penal system/ carceral complex? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23960711 - 12/27/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There are too many people in jail who don't belong there




then the problem isnt with the penal system, the problem is in the legal system,
closing prisons will just make other prisons more crowded until the actual problems
are addressed

Quote:

Cool to see most responders are in favor of curtailing, though I'm surprised to see so few votes for abolition from such a libertarian community.




libertarian doesnt mean raze the prisons




Changes to the justice system commensurate with reducing the scope of the carceral complex were evidently wrapped up in the "curtail" option :shrug: you're just being obtuse, like always. For fucks sake man, this is a serious discussion about serious issues. The horseplay and shenanigans you are indulging is wholly inappropriate. Bite me.


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