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RFID tags in money?
    #2395818 - 03/02/04 05:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm well aware of the tags existence but this is the first I can recall hearing about them being in money. Anyone have any insight into this?





RFID Tags in New US Notes Explode When You Try to Microwave Them

Adapted from a letter sent to Henry Makow Ph.D.

Want to share an event with you, that we experienced this evening.. Dave had over $1000 dollars in his back pocket (in his wallet). New twenties were the lion share of the bills in his wallet. We walked into a truck stop/travel plaza and they have those new electronic monitors that are supposed to say if you are stealing something. But through every monitor, Dave set it off. He did not have anything to purchase in his hands or pockets. After numerous times of setting off these monitors, a person approached Dave with a 'wand' to swipe why he was setting off the monitors.

Believe it or not, it was his 'wallet'. That is according to the minimum wage employees working at the truck stop! We then walked across the street to a store and purchased aluminum foil. We then wrapped our cash in foil and went thru the same monitors. No monitor went off.

We could have left it at that, but we have also paid attention to the European Union and the 'rfid' tracking devices placed in their money, and the blatant bragging of Walmart and many corporations of using 'rfid' electronics on every marketable item by the year 2005.

Dave and I have brainstormed the fact that most items can be 'microwaved' to fry the 'rfid' chip, thus elimination of tracking by our government.

So we chose to 'microwave' our cash, over $1000 in twenties in a stack, not spread out on a carasoul. Do you know what exploded on American money?? The right eye of Andrew Jackson on the new twenty, every bill was uniform in it's burning... Isnt that interesting?

Now we have to take all of our bills to the bank and have them replaced, cause they are now 'burnt'.

We will now be wrapping all of our larger bills in foil on a regular basis.

What we resent is the fact that the government or a corporation can track our 'cash'. Credit purchases and check purchases have been tracked for years, but cash was not traceble until now...

Plausible? Or bullshit?


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Re: RFID tags in money? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2395854 - 03/02/04 05:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There aren't RFID tags in money.

If you microwave a stack of copier paper it will also start to burn in the middle. There is enough water in paper for it to absorb microwaves and heat up. And, of course, paper is an excellent insulator, so all that heat is retained in the middle of the stack.

If there were RFID tags, you could see them by holding the bill up to a light. Also, if there were RFID tags, you wouldn't need a stack of them to get burning in a microwave. Try nuking just one new twenty dollar bill. If there's an RFID tag it should be obvious.


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Re: RFID tags in money? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2395964 - 03/02/04 06:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Details on those tags isn't something I've seen, such as how thick they are. Any idea of the approximate dimensions?


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Re: RFID tags in money? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2396010 - 03/02/04 06:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

rfid tags are small enough to put in money (1/2 the size of a grain of sand?)
Here's an article about rfid in merchandise:
http://news.com.com/2010-1069-980325.html

I strongly doubt there are rfid tags in money now. If the gov't was interested in tracking cash (and no doubt, some people are), it would be fairly easy to track it from the bank. Machines can read serial numbers, and where money is distributed directly from a machine rather than a cash box, serial numbers could be associated with individuals, and then picked up again when deposited by retailers.


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Re: RFID tags in money? [Re: phi1618]
    #2397428 - 03/03/04 09:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)



Quote:

Jamming Tags Block
RFID Scanners
By Kim Zetter
Wired.com
3-1-4


RSA Security has developed a countermeasure to block scanning of radio-frequency ID tags, responding to privacy concerns about the tiny devices that would allow retailers and manufacturers to track the whereabouts of their goods within a store and beyond.

The blocker tag, which can be placed over a regular RFID tag, prevents a receiver from scanning information transmitted by a tag by sending the receiver more data than it can read -- the equivalent of a denial-of-service attack. RSA doesn't have immediate plans to market the blocker and is waiting to see whether industry widely adopts RFID technology.

An RFID tag consists of a microchip the size of a grain of sand attached to an antenna that wirelessly transmits information by radio whenever it passes an RFID reader. Product manufacturers and stores want to place the tags on consumer items such as hygiene products, packaged foods and clothing to manage inventory, track consumer interest in products and thwart thieves. The devices could also benefit consumers by transmiting messages to smart appliances in their home. For instance, a tag in a milk carton could tell a computer-enabled refrigerator when its contents are running low.

Critics are concerned that tags would let businesses monitor the movement of people inside and outside stores. The tags can transmit in different frequencies that can be read from varying distances. A 13.56-MHz tag, for example, can be read by a device within 10 inches of the tag, but a 915-MHz tag can be read up to 10 feet away, increasing the likelihood that a person could be scanned without knowing it.

Katherine Albrecht, director of Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion, or CASPIAN, said she was pleased with RSA's efforts to mitigate privacy dangers and said it was better for consumers to have some protection than none. But she's concerned that people who don't know the tags are embedded in items or don't know what the technology is capable of doing won't know how to protect themselves.

"You could wind up only with the technology elite equipping themselves with blocker tags instead of working on a solution to protect everyone," she said. "It's important to not set up a situation of haves and have-nots when it comes to privacy protection."

Albrecht was also worried that blocker tags would encourage people to become complacent about surveillance, thinking they could protect themselves from it at will. But she said the blocker tag would work only as long as it was legal.

"You could allow surveillance to be created all around you, thinking the blocker tag would protect you, and then a single stroke of the pen could render a blocker tag illegal by an executive mandate," she said.

The RFID tags combined with access to commercial databases could give the government great power to monitor people's interests and activities. For example, Albrecht said, RFID tags in shoes could create a data trail of who wearers are and where they go.

"Let's say you went to a gun show or to a talk given by a Muslim cleric or to a peace rally. At present, government agencies can't bust in and ask everyone to show their ID. But they could send someone into the event with an RFID reader to identify who is there and who they are associating with," she said.

Ari Juels, principal scientist for RSA Laboratories, said that legislation could easily be passed to mandate the use of blocker tags as well and the public shouldn't curtail technology simply because it's subject to possible legislative abuse.

This week, RSA demonstrated the blocker-tag prototype, manufactured by Texas Instruments, at the RSA Conference in San Francisco to call attention to retail plans, such as one established by Wal-Mart to tag pharmaceuticals.

Beginning next month, drug companies that supply Wal-Mart's in-store pharmacies with prescription painkillers and other abusable drugs will have to place RFID tags on bulk containers used for shipping.

To demonstrate how the tag might work in the future, RSA set up a makeshift pharmacy at its booth on the exhibition floor. When visitors wrote their name on a piece of paper and requested a prescription for pills, they received a medicine bottle filled with jellybeans bearing an RFID label -- a plain white sticker placed underneath the prescription label. When the pharmacist placed the bottle in front of a reader, a computer screen displayed the buyer's name, the medication ordered and the price paid for it.

But when the pharmacist placed the pill bottle in a bag with a blocker tag on it, the reader couldn't register information from the RFID tag on the bottle. The blocker tag consisted of a plain white label placed on the outside of the bag.

Juels said his group developed the tag blocker to satisfy the needs of privacy advocates and RFID proponents in a debate that had become increasingly black and white.

"We wanted something that would answer both the privacy and utility needs and shift the focus of the debate to show that sometimes technology can help address other problems introduced by technology," he said.

Wal-Mart spokeswoman Sarah Clark said the company intends to expand the RFID program to include the top 100 suppliers of all of its products by June 2005. But she said it plans to use the tags only on pallets and packages in the warehouse, not on individual items that consumers purchase. She did not rule out individual Wal-Mart products with RFID tags.

"We're not speculating on what's going to happen in the future," she said.

Wal-Mart said it wants to use the tags because Food and Drug Administration rules require pharmacies to track these drugs carefully, which Wal-Mart says the tags will help them do. RFID tags can also help detect counterfeit drugs that slip into the supply chain.

CASPIAN's Albrecht said her group had no problem with pharmacies using RFID tags to help prevent counterfeit drugs and to track inventory -- with the caveat that tags be disabled before packages are dispensed to customers.

"It's none of our business what Wal-Mart wants to do to get a product in the store, in the same way that it's not their business what I do when I leave the store," she said.

RFID tags currently have a built-in "kill" mechanism that disables their tracking capability when the chip receives a command. Jues said the self-destruct mechanism still has bugs and doesn't always work.

He noted, however, that killing a tag would also kill any benefit consumers might gain from them, such as their communication with smart appliances.

The RFID blocker tags are not yet available for purchase by consumers and probably will not be sold for a couple of years -- and then only if stores begin to embed individual products with RFID tags.

Lawmakers in Utah passed a bill last week that would prevent stores from using RFID tags to monitor customers. Lawmakers in California have introduced a similar bill.


? Copyright 2004, Lycos, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,62468,00.html






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Re: RFID tags in money? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2397684 - 03/03/04 10:53 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

/me puts on tinfoil hat and matching money guard.


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Re: RFID tags in money? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2397820 - 03/03/04 12:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I always thought that they could track large sums of cash with them little strips in them..

Stuff all over the net talk about how they emit a slight bit of radiation and if you stach enough together they can be detected with the right equipment...

So say youve got a suitcase full of hundreds they could watch you from a helicopter by the radiation...

Duno if its true at all?


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Re: RFID tags in money? [Re: GabbaDj]
    #2398161 - 03/03/04 01:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

tracking money is just wrong.

it will not be good for america.


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Re: RFID tags in money? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2398230 - 03/03/04 02:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

there's a bigger version of that article here with pics and stuff


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Re: RFID tags in money? [Re: afoaf]
    #2398985 - 03/03/04 04:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
tracking money is just wrong.

it will not be good for america.





True. But it will be great for the IRS and Financial Elite of the US...

Remember, we live for them.


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