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I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice?
    #23957874 - 12/26/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So I am using these teks
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek
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for substrate prep,

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613
for everything else

except my fruiting chambers are just plastic tubs, some with lids, some with clear plastic bags over em.

the only mistake (that I know of) I made is that I probably didn't leave enough time to consolidate for all of my cakes. I have treasure coast and B+ going, and some jars were growing tiny pins and some weren't, but I thought that meant they were ready, so I took 'em all out instead of waiting for all of them to pin.

Consequently, I have 1 cake with only a single mushroom, 1 with 3 (of which one seemed super soggy today and I picked it off. Was growing near the bottom near the perlite. One of 2-5 cakes which had no metabolites before birthing), 1 with 2, 2 with a few tiny ones, and 2 with nothing going on.

So my Q is: should I mist the cakes directly to start pinning better?
and should I be misting and fanning more frequently because my setup doesn't inherently have enough FAE?
(I do it maybe 4-6 times a day)

This https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613
tek doesn't say anything about not misting cakes directly.

but the other one says not to.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: krudam2]
    #23957880 - 12/26/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Do your plastic tubs have the recommended holes drilled in them?
If they do not and you are only misting and fanning, my theory is that they are not getting slow, steady, and CONSTANT fresh air; only gusts of it 4-6x daily when you fan.
Also a lot of new growers tend to fan excessively, drying out the cakes.
I remember my first run with the PF tek, I thought that having a small fan constantly blowing over the cakes would provide all the FAE they needed. All it did was dry my cakes out and they were unable to even pin.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: SwampDonkie]
    #23957898 - 12/26/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you are choking the mushrooms with a bag over a closed up tub.

for cakes YOU NEED A SGFC. dont even bother doing anything unless you build one.

fanning is not a substitute for FAE. you fan after you mist cakes DIRECTLY to
help evaporate moisture off the cake to help pinning.
you mist cakes when they need it(when they appear dry. post pics of unsure)
do not just mist 3x a day and think its ok. maybe thats too much... maybe not enough..


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: SwampDonkie]
    #23957903 - 12/26/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No. Don't mist directly. It defeats the purpose of misting. You want the beads of h20 to fall upon the cakes(as much surface area as possible), without coming together to form pools of water. You'll know the diff, pooled cake would look just wet. Misted(droplet) cake will look very beady and kinda glimmering. So this also goes for how much you spray. You just gotta kinda make sure you're misting the right amount, right angle, right number of times, and thin enough of a mist in order for optimum beads. The purpose of this is the evaporation process. The beading allows for a smooth, even, and slow surface evaporation process which helps pinning. If the cake is simply wet(or "pooled"), the process it much diff, and from my experience, it just becomes stagnant and makes it harder to form beads in the future. And like he said ^, only mist when ALL of the beads are no longer present. Besides this factor, there are many which could have contributed to crappy cakes, most importantly not letting consolidation occur. It's very important.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: camerinkw] * 1
    #23957917 - 12/26/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

camerinkw is WAY over complicating the basic act of misting a cake.

if you are misting a cake to produce pools of water you are not misting.
you are drenching it for whatever reason.
its called misting for a reason. mist the cakes directly with a light touch.

when i did cakes i never did the consolidation and got these..

this was around a OZ dry from 1 cake.

poor performance is from a crap FC.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: krudam2]
    #23957930 - 12/26/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Basically, if you follow the link mushboy posted about the ShotGun fruiting chamber, and follow the Tek exactly you will be fine.
The purpose of misting and fanning is if your cakes are a little dry. you mist to add water, and fan to evaporate excess water. Fanning is NOT Fresh air exchange; that is achieved through the holes in the shotgun fruiting chamber.
Also, patience is key, they will grow when they feel like it.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: SwampDonkie]
    #23957938 - 12/26/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I had an sgfc before but I wasn't aware of how vital fae is/that fanning doesn't provide enough, so I figured this would work with more frequent maintenance.

Got it. SGFC and mist cakes directly at least to start them, while being careful not to drench.

Thanks guys.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: krudam2]
    #23957940 - 12/26/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:

good to go. post pics.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: mushboy]
    #23957941 - 12/26/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I find it extremely hard to believe that statement, but what do I know?


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: krudam2]
    #23957947 - 12/26/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

dig up the sgfc!! sounds like you are good. post pics!

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I had an sgfc before but I wasn't aware of how vital fae is




air is the key.

mushrooms need water and air. thats it.
when you get wrapped up with humidity and fancy FCs you loose sight of what
the mushroom wants.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: mushboy]
    #23959098 - 12/26/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fae and patience


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? *DELETED* [Re: krudam2]
    #23960608 - 12/27/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: krudam2]
    #23961313 - 12/27/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Lol. nice.
Are those decorations?


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: camerinkw]
    #23961333 - 12/27/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Lol. nice.
Are those decorations?




:rofl:

just a little fung shway for his guests


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23961343 - 12/27/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

shit I thought you were talking about the shrooms, but whoa! 

He really put rocks in his fc!  This whole post is hilarious, or this weed is really good

Damn bro those fucking cakes hate you!


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23964361 - 12/28/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Lol. nice.
Are those decorations?




rocks for imparting certain energies/vibes. :p

Quote:

kenetic said:
shit I thought you were talking about the shrooms, but whoa! 

He really put rocks in his fc!  This whole post is hilarious, or this weed is really good

Damn bro those fucking cakes hate you!




nah.

or maybe they used to but they're doing fine now.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: krudam2]
    #23964651 - 12/29/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Im totally joking but seriously, this thread made me laugh hysterically for like an hour!

Good job though keep doing yur thing man.


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: krudam2]
    #23964854 - 12/29/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Lol. nice.
Are those decorations?




rocks for imparting certain energies/vibes. :p



:takingnotes: I knew my chamber was missing something..


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Re: I have several cakes that aren't doing much; advice? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23965562 - 12/29/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Mad Season said:
Quote:

krudam2 said:
Quote:

camerinkw said:
Lol. nice.
Are those decorations?




rocks for imparting certain energies/vibes. :p



:takingnotes: I knew my chamber was missing something..




I don't think you are serious, but if you are I can give you some info on crystals (:

They're actually pretty useful/powerful if one is sensitive enough to vibes.

And I think a lot of people are sensitive enough while on mushrooms. I know my senses for that kind of thing expands dramatically while shroomin


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