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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #24074300 - 02/08/17 07:29 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

So what would be a decent 1st flush bench mark, for those of us who are not well aces? I think I been getting like 100-120%BE 1st flush off my MS cake to coir grow. Don't have perfect calculations. didn't write numbers down but know roughly what I used.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24074342 - 02/08/17 08:06 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

100% BE is decent IMO


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24074349 - 02/08/17 08:12 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck I cant even get that most of the time


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24074363 - 02/08/17 08:29 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Is there a good thread that anyone could link to, that goes in to further discussion of how unbroken colonies (bags) get a higher be then broken colonies.  I've seen a few references to unbroken colonies vs broken, but can't find and good discussions about it by knowledged individuals. 

It's something I'd like I read up on.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Tookitooki]
    #24074384 - 02/08/17 08:42 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

There isn't really a thread I can think of, it's just an observation made over countless grows where things like BE are tracked and compared. Bottle grows for instance produce insane BE despite a very limited fruiting surface area. Run a clone in bottles, compare substrate size over a group to the same in a mono and do the math.

If a bottle is a quart, and a rough 1:2 grain to bulk ratio, then puts out 28 dry grams first flush, then compare it to a spawned mono. If a mono is 15 quarts sub at a similar ratio then it needs to produce 15 dry oz first flush to keep up. Not many people can hit a mark like that. But with bottles it's easy. What was the difference? Same nutes, same water content. Most bottle growers fruit the bottles in a mono so ya got the same fruiting environment. What's the variable? Well IMO it's the unbroken colony. Bottles are not spawned.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24074412 - 02/08/17 08:56 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

For this reason I have been trying to figure how to do a 1 gallon single colony grow, but alas PC'n something that's 1 gallon would probably take like 6 hours to make sure you got the center of it to proper temp. But man it would be soooo nice to have a 1 gallon single colony container that you could just pop the lid on, throw on a casing and fruit. The other issue is finding something the proper dimensions. I don't want it to deep as I want surface area. I had toyed with the idea of PP5 bowls but can not find any to my liking for this. IF I could find some that were shallow, like 3 inch deep, but still fit in my PC I would be good. The shallowness would help with PC'n it as well as I would get better surface area.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24074415 - 02/08/17 08:57 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Look up the cjar lol. Jk don't do that


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24074424 - 02/08/17 09:05 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I did it anyway...

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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24074426 - 02/08/17 09:05 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Larger substrates also have poorer BE. This is also something observed over time. Greater distance from the core of the sub means more distance that water and hyphae need to be moved to get to the pin locations. I get far higher BE from a mini mono than I could from a 66 quart. So conversely a gallon sub will always produce lower BE than a quart size. Now there is also fruiting space to be concerned with and that's where the edge often goes to the larger sub. But that's a different dynamic and discussion.

Realistically I always feel it's a balance of variables in the end. What works well for one person is going to be shit for another. I did this tub grow for lulz, not because I was expecting a serious result.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24074507 - 02/08/17 09:46 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome grow Pasty!!! Cant wait to see if the third flush pans out. You wouldnt be printing any of those RW's by any chance. Those are real nice lookin boomers.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24074508 - 02/08/17 09:46 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

For the record what is your highest BE


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24074512 - 02/08/17 09:46 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Hey all of us are learning a lot from this. I love these experiment /what if grows.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24074515 - 02/08/17 09:49 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

i think liloldme or someone needs to duplicate a outdoor bed using similar spawn amounts.
that would be leet.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #24074536 - 02/08/17 09:59 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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For the record what is your highest BE




First flush would have been 225% from invitro straw bottles. I have hit just under 200% with a mini mono on a few occasions. I did many 66 quart monos at 175%.

Over two flushes I have hit 250% lots of times with monos and my invitro straw bottles have put out over 300% over 3 flushes many times.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24074556 - 02/08/17 10:09 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

:shocked::shocked:DAMN!!!:shocked::shocked:


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24074594 - 02/08/17 10:32 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Be it novelty or not, it still adds to the data base, especially when it comes from a skilled individual, that can properly compare results, based off standards and variables.  With a science that's not fully understood, it does contribute a wealth of knowledge.

This hobby is fun, but trying to learn the science behind it is addicting.  I could sit on this site for days on end, and never get tired of reading all the info.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Tookitooki] * 1
    #24074815 - 02/08/17 12:05 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thats why Im constantly on here reading shit.  Im addicted and need help lol


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Kenetic]
    #24074857 - 02/08/17 12:23 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

We do need help, help to search and compile all the good info over the years. Sort and catagorize it all.  Once it's all in one location, we might be able to find patterns or anomalies.


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24075445 - 02/08/17 04:44 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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For the record what is your highest BE




First flush would have been 225% from invitro straw bottles. I have hit just under 200% with a mini mono on a few occasions. I did many 66 quart monos at 175%.

Over two flushes I have hit 250% lots of times with monos and my invitro straw bottles have put out over 300% over 3 flushes many times.





Okay so I'm calculating BE wrong then...
are you supposed to add the bulk sub into the equation?
I thought it was
dry oz / qt spawn

Are you supposed to add qts bulk as spawn?


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Re: Pasty spawns a tub. . . and is a drunken asshole. (moved) [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24075618 - 02/08/17 05:57 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Edmunter said:
For the record what is your highest BE




First flush would have been 225% from invitro straw bottles. I have hit just under 200% with a mini mono on a few occasions. I did many 66 quart monos at 175%.

Over two flushes I have hit 250% lots of times with monos and my invitro straw bottles have put out over 300% over 3 flushes many times.





Okay so I'm calculating BE wrong then...
are you supposed to add the bulk sub into the equation?
I thought it was
dry oz / qt spawn

Are you supposed to add qts bulk as spawn?




I do add the bulk into the equation. But I also track production per quart of spawn because that is what drives most of the nutrition.


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