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OfflineCrystal G
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Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise * 1
    #23956443 - 12/25/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Is there anything you do that you swear is healthy and really good for you, but you have no real science to back it up? Have you heard people dispense similar advice about what to do for your health that rings similar to the things being said below?

Eating pickles or any kind of fermented foods. I'm convinced it's really healthy but have got no science to back it up whatsoever. Well, there is data that proves that fermented foods like natto and kim chi are healthy and good for the gut, but not for pickled foods like sauerkraut, pickles, or olives.

Veggie and fruit smoothies. I totally believe that adding vegetables and/or fruit to your diet reduces your likelihood of cancer and tumors.

Also, garlic and apple cider vinegar cleanses. It's something I do periodically every few months. There is all sorts of anecdotal evidence to back up that it can fight certain infections, but no real data.


Edited by Crystal G (12/25/16 01:15 PM)


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23956452 - 12/25/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Eggs and butter. The science is split 50/50 last I check, but it's healthy and nothing will convince me otherwise except a solid piece of evidence.

Pasta. I've been eating my own weigh in pasta almost every day. Still alive.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Patlal]
    #23956456 - 12/25/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #23956463 - 12/25/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Eggs and butter. The science is split 50/50 last I check, but it's healthy and nothing will convince me otherwise except a solid piece of evidence.

Pasta. I've been eating my own weigh in pasta almost every day. Still alive.





that's the key right there, if it didnt kill you then surely it's good for you



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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23956474 - 12/25/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ok for reals now...I have a handful of either almonds or pumpkin seeds every day convinced that I'll live longer and healthier because of it.

I also only eat organic of the foods that fall into the "dirty dozen" category thinking that I'll avoid cancer that way.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23956479 - 12/25/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Eating fermented foods increases healthy gut flora.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Shiithead]
    #23956501 - 12/25/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Eggs
Weed
Occasional tobacco smoking


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23956538 - 12/25/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Saurkraut is good for you last i read.

Garlic is also good.
So is rae cider vinegar.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: WhyDidiDoThis] * 1
    #23956541 - 12/25/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Saurkraut is good for you last i read.

Garlic is also good.
So is rae cider vinegar.





I dont understand the whole drink apple cider vinegar thing especially when
it comes from people claiming I need to alkalize my body


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23956550 - 12/25/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fruit.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Shiithead]
    #23956649 - 12/25/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Onions are healthier than apples.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23956654 - 12/25/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
Eggs and butter..




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Eggs
Weed
Occasional tobacco smoking




Alla these

Lots of  black coffee too

I believe pickled food is bad cause its too salty


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: trees]
    #23956663 - 12/25/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Acupuncture.

I swear, my acupuncturist knows more about me than I do.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23956784 - 12/25/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Not really, theres evidence for all of it at this point


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23956789 - 12/25/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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TheNatureKid said:
Onions are healthier than apples.



onions are a negative food meaning it takes more energy for our body to process, than they give our body energy.

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WhyDidiDoThis said:
Saurkraut is good for you last i read.

Garlic is also good.
So is rae cider vinegar.





I dont understand the whole drink apple cider vinegar thing especially when
it comes from people claiming I need to alkalize my body



Raw cider vinegar that has not been pasteurized or filtered contains a living strain of biotic.
I have used it to cure colds and flus personally.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23956873 - 12/25/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise

Veggie and fruit smoothies. I totally believe that adding vegetables and/or fruit to your diet reduces your likelihood of cancer and tumors.







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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23956913 - 12/25/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm convinced beer and whiskey in moderate amounts is a replacement for vegetables

I'm convinced marijuana will prevent cancer.

I'm convinced being hydrated while smoking cigarettes reduces cancer risks. Or maybe behing dehydrated and smoking increases it.

Convinced green tea is good for my brain, but there's evidence supporting that. :shrug:


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: King Klick]
    #23956970 - 12/25/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm convinced beer and whiskey in moderate amounts is a replacement for vegetables





They both grow in the ground.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Patlal]
    #23957000 - 12/25/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm convinced beer and whiskey in moderate amounts is a replacement for vegetables





They both grow in the ground.






i'ma grow me a whiskey-tree, mmmm hmmm

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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23957069 - 12/25/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Saurkraut is good for you last i read.

Garlic is also good.
So is rae cider vinegar.





I dont understand the whole drink apple cider vinegar thing especially when
it comes from people claiming I need to alkalize my body




Back when my brothers and I raised show goats we would put a little apple cider vinegar in thier water every week to prevent kidney stones.  As far as for people I have not researched it. But many have told me it's good for lots of things.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23957079 - 12/25/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Drinking local lake water.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #23957133 - 12/25/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont understand the whole drink apple cider vinegar thing especially when
it comes from people claiming I need to alkalize my body



Raw cider vinegar that has not been pasteurized or filtered contains a living strain of biotic.
I have used it to cure colds and flus personally.





if it didnt happen in 18 minutes or less then you didnt cure shit

you did drink some gross stuff though so I have to give you that one


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23957136 - 12/25/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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King Klick said:
I'm convinced marijuana will prevent cancer.





that worked out pretty well for bob marley

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WhyDidiDoThis said:
Saurkraut is good for you last i read.

Garlic is also good.
So is rae cider vinegar.





I dont understand the whole drink apple cider vinegar thing especially when
it comes from people claiming I need to alkalize my body




Back when my brothers and I raised show goats we would put a little apple cider vinegar in thier water every week to prevent kidney stones.  As far as for people I have not researched it. But many have told me it's good for lots of things.





I hear that if you rub it on your balls it makes you more appealing to the opposite sex

I havent tried it but I've heard that


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23957152 - 12/25/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:lolsy: the bob Marley comment


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23957202 - 12/25/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm convinced marijuana will prevent cancer.





that worked out pretty well for bob marley






you must not've seen any of the bob marley documentaries.  in one of them, his sister (or some relative) clearly states it was the whiteness in bob marley that led to his disease


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Zombi3]
    #23957212 - 12/25/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Prisoner#2 must have told you that as he stuck his #1 up your #2


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: demiu5]
    #23958084 - 12/26/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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I'm convinced marijuana will prevent cancer.





that worked out pretty well for bob marley






you must not've seen any of the bob marley documentaries.  in one of them, his sister (or some relative) clearly states it was the whiteness in bob marley that led to his disease



Problem is he didn't smoke with his feet, duh.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: King Klick]
    #23958089 - 12/26/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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King Klick said:
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demiu5 said:
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King Klick said:
I'm convinced marijuana will prevent cancer.





that worked out pretty well for bob marley






you must not've seen any of the bob marley documentaries.  in one of them, his sister (or some relative) clearly states it was the whiteness in bob marley that led to his disease



Problem is he didn't smoke with his feet, duh.





i had a planter's wart on my big toe for years.  once it got big enough, i'd rip it out and dig out the "roots".  within 3-9 months, it would return full force.  again, this went on for years.  for 2-3 weeks, i applied rick simpson oil to the wart.  once it started to recede, it went quickly, and has not returned in 3 years.


nothing in my life changed (stress levels, diet, foot-wear, etc...) during that period besides the RSO


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Patlal]
    #23958229 - 12/26/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Eggs and butter. The science is split 50/50 last I check, but it's healthy and nothing will convince me otherwise except a solid piece of evidence.




I believe that about fish eggs. That the caviar is the healthiest part of the fish. I got nothing to back it up though.

Butter I don't believe it's unhealthy necessarily, but I don't believe it's healthy either. Now olive oil on the other hand, that I believe is very healthy. Cause you can pretty much drown your salads, breads, and pastas in olive oil and it won't feel greasy... butter or bacon fat on the other hand, you can only consume small quantities of before it starts feeling too heavy. This tells me that if it's healthy, it is only in very small amounts.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958326 - 12/26/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

LSD

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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958360 - 12/26/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

smoking cigarettes with french exhales and proper inhalation technique


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: demiu5]
    #23958367 - 12/26/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

use raw apple cider vinegar on warts, soak a little ball of cotton in it and put a waterproof bandaid over it.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: yeah] * 1
    #23958380 - 12/26/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I seriously do think tobacco is healthy in small amounts.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #23958386 - 12/26/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It is. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

I'm convinced bacon is good for you.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #23958389 - 12/26/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

there are some health benefits to nicotine, a study had shown that nicotine can help
stave off parkinsons, some extracts from tobacco were used for treating ebola

the biggest health benefit of smoking isnt for the smoker but the people around them,
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: yeah]
    #23958398 - 12/26/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I personally follow a locavore diet as close as I can. I'm also allergic to wheat, but never been a doctor to confirm celiacs or whatever it is I actually have. But I know I feel 100x better and don't get sick anymore when I follow 100% gf diet, very few grains (rice and gf bread on occasion), eat 90% home cooked whole foods, and only eat out once a week (max). I don't buy any boxed foods for meals, and only canned product I buy is tomatoes. I've been gf for like 6 years, but my health didn't improve totally until I incorporated a whole foods based diet. After I get back from NY's trip I'm going to give up added sugars for 30 days too.

Bottom line, I use to get sick literally all the time and miss a lot of work. I'm chronically underweight too, with a super fast metabolism. Lowish carbs, whole foods, minimal grains, and no gluten has turned my health around 100%. No doctors, no pills, minimal supplements (probiotics and brain health mainly). Works for me....


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958400 - 12/26/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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there are some health benefits to nicotine, a study had shown that nicotine can help
stave off parkinsons, some extracts from tobacco were used for treating ebola

the biggest health benefit of smoking isnt for the smoker but the people around them,
after a cigarette is smoked the need to choke the life out of the annoying pieces of
shit has been reduced by 38%




Shamans from a lot parts of the world have used in their medicinal regimes for many years. Not to say that's correct or not, but just saying it has a very long history of medicinal use.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #23958406 - 12/26/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's got proven health benefits for the brain in increasing cognition, helps staves of parkinson's disease, protects against Alzheimer’s, enhances memory, lessens symptoms of Tourettes and ADHD, provides relief for depression, delays arthritis.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Shroomism]
    #23958420 - 12/26/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nicotine isn't half as addicting as they say it is, in the raw pure form. It's the cigarette additives that make it bad and addictive. Vaping ecigs isn't an issue for me to quit at all. I love ecigs, but I realize they are an adult pacifier. I can buy a bottle of 3mg juice, go through it and never crave it after 24 hrs of running out of the juice. Literally, I get stronger cravings for coffee than nicotine these days. (I use to smoke cigs 18-23 too.) I haven't bought juice in 6 months, despite enjoying it and wanting it at times. But I resist the cravings because I just don't want another vice, but I do enjoy it on occasion.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: daytripper05]
    #23958422 - 12/26/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah you're correct, nicotine itself isn't all that addictive, it's all the other additives they add that make it so. Caffeine is actually a bit more addictive than pure nicotine. It's cause they add MAOIs and other shit in cigarettes.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Shroomism]
    #23958581 - 12/26/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives

a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?

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Glycerol
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958584 - 12/26/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A standard pack of marlboro has far more ingredients than that, they have something like 72 ingredients in them, and some of them are radioactive or toxic such as polonium, arsenic, cyanide, and formaldehyde.

I would never say cigarettes are healthy for this reason alone, now perhaps if you are consuming nicotine or tobacco in its pure form like Natural American Spirits then that's a different story.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958591 - 12/26/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think those are there after it's combusted and inhaled, not beforehand.


I don't know though...doesn't seem like combustion would create arsenic or formaldehyde, some of that shit must be added before hand.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958632 - 12/26/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives

a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?

Water
Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or
High Fructose Corn Syrup)
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Licorice Extract
Diammonium Phosphate
Ammonium Hydroxide
Cocoa and Cocoa Products
Carob Bean and Extract
Natural and Artificial Flavors



Supposedly ammonia (e.g. the ammonium hydroxide in the list) is added to make the nicotine more absorbable. Same idea as preparing cocaine or DMT in freebase form for smoking.

Maybe this in not accurate though.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22001171


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958652 - 12/26/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Virtually every cigarette manufacturer sprays their tobacco either before or during processing with a proprietary blend of additives or "flavor enhancers" which can contain hundreds of different components.
For example ammonia is added which allows the nicotine to reach the lungs quicker. MAOIs are often added to potentiate nicotine and increase the addictiveness fivefold.
Regardless of whatever byproducts of tobacco combustion, most major brands do add a slew of chemicals to the tobacco, their chemists researched long and hard to really maximize the addictive potential of them.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958653 - 12/26/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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A standard pack of marlboro has far more ingredients than that, they have something like 72 ingredients in them, and some of them are radioactive or toxic such as polonium, arsenic, cyanide, and formaldehyde.





false. just because you're told it has that doesnt mean it does, many of these
things are the byproduct of combustion, some are a natural part of the tobacco,
what I listed are the actual ingredients of marlboro 100s.

when you think of an apple you dont think about the vegetable oils, cyanide,
nicotinamide or tocopheral as it's ingredients, you dont think about the shit
as being the chemical byproduct of digestion being included as an ingredient
but here you are making that comparison to tobacco

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I would never say cigarettes are healthy for this reason alone, now perhaps if you are consuming nicotine or tobacco in its pure form like Natural American Spirits then that's a different story.




lol... that's fucking hilarious, it's not a different story because the 70
carcinogenic compounds produced during combustion are still there just as
it is with any other cigarette


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Shroomism]
    #23958667 - 12/26/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Virtually every cigarette manufacturer sprays their tobacco either before or during processing with a proprietary blend of additives or "flavor enhancers" which can contain hundreds of different components.
For example ammonia is added which allows the nicotine to reach the lungs quicker.




you mean ammonium hydroxide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_hydroxide#Food_production


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MAOIs are often added to potentiate nicotine and increase the addictiveness fivefold.




which MAOIs are added to marlboro reds?

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Regardless of whatever byproducts of tobacco combustion, most major brands do add a slew of chemicals to the tobacco, their chemists researched long and hard to really maximize the addictive potential of them.





DUH KEMIKILLZ!

I posted the list of actual additives added to marlboros, there's no hundreds,
it's not even a dozen. sure, flavored cigarettes like menthols or vanilla will
have more but you're absolutely wrong about the amount of shit added to cigarettes


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: daytripper05]
    #23958675 - 12/26/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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psi said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives

a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?

Water
Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or
High Fructose Corn Syrup)
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Licorice Extract
Diammonium Phosphate
Ammonium Hydroxide
Cocoa and Cocoa Products
Carob Bean and Extract
Natural and Artificial Flavors



Supposedly ammonia (e.g. the ammonium hydroxide in the list) is added to make the nicotine more absorbable. Same idea as preparing cocaine or DMT in freebase form for smoking.

Maybe this in not accurate though.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22001171





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daytripper05 said:
Nicotine isn't half as addicting as they say it is, in the raw pure form. It's the cigarette additives that make it bad and addictive. 





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Yeah you're correct, nicotine itself isn't all that addictive, it's all the other additives they add that make it so.




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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958679 - 12/26/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Tobacco plants are grown using fertilizers that contain a mineral called apatite. Apatite contains radium, another radioactive element, which then decays into polonium. That's where the polonium comes from. It doesn't occur naturally from the smoke itself. This means that Phillip Morris and Altria only list the chemicals that they themselves added to it, but in reality there's dozens of other chemicals that make its way into the tobacco first long before it reaches corporate or even American territory.


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    #23958683 - 12/26/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Virtually every cigarette manufacturer sprays their tobacco either before or during processing with a proprietary blend of additives or "flavor enhancers" which can contain hundreds of different components.
For example ammonia is added which allows the nicotine to reach the lungs quicker.




you mean ammonium hydroxide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_hydroxide#Food_production




Kind of a non-sequitur response. Does the use of baking soda in preparing crack from cocaine make smoking a more effective delivery method for the cocaine? Well, baking soda is a very safe food addititive, so...


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958699 - 12/26/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Tobacco plants are grown using fertilizers that contain a mineral called apatite. Apatite contains radium, another radioactive element, which then decays into polonium.





every gods damned thing on the planet emits radiation


guess what other cigarettes contain polonium 210



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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958753 - 12/26/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That guy in the video also speculates it's likely from the fertilizers that they use to grow the tobacco.

I wonder if they use the same fertilizers to grow crops for food. :eek:


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958757 - 12/26/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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That guy in the video also speculates it's likely from the fertilizers that they use to grow the tobacco.

I wonder if they use the same fertilizers to grow crops for food. :eek:





given that apatite is the source of phosphorus in fertilizers, probably

the thing to remember is that the dosage makes the poison


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958875 - 12/26/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958955 - 12/26/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Deep fryer oil. Definitely deep fried foods.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23958963 - 12/26/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Heavy metals are everywhere and concentrate when adding manure.  It's a cycle of concentration.  Animal eat's metals from plants and fertilizes the fields that fed them metals and continues forever. Tobacco or weed or potatoes.

I prefer natural tobacco.  I would grow 100 1/4 pound plants a year if I had a spot.


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    #23958976 - 12/26/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ketosis. Although i know it's a treatment for certain individuals with seizures...

I followed a diet plan that basically allowed me to eat as much bacon, sausage and eggs as I wanted.

No carbs or sugar, and I had never felt better in my entire life!


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    #23959000 - 12/26/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have heard that can be good for diabetes as well.  Also athletes are using it.  Theory being that the body stores and accesses fat better than carb boosting.


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    #23959034 - 12/26/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It certainly was useful for losing weight. As much as a pound a day!

I kind of took the caloric intake to an extreme though. I plan to be more gradual about it in the future.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23959035 - 12/26/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

actually the body uses the fat for energy because there's no carbs available


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    #23959057 - 12/26/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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actually the body uses the fat for energy because there's no carbs available




That's exactly right!

As i understand it, Ketosis is a metabolic state that replaces glycosis (where carbohydrates and sugars are the primary source of energy)


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    #23959143 - 12/26/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

only eating when you are actually hungry, then you eat as much as you can.


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    #23959429 - 12/26/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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only eating when you are actually hungry, then you eat as much as you can.



Hell yeah man, two big meals when you're hungry is so much easier and more natural than breakfast/lunch/dinner... But I'm pretty sure studies show that eating smaller meals more frequently is better for your body and metabolism.

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    #23959493 - 12/26/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Actually it's better to eat 3 or 4 meals within an 8 hour window, fasting for 16 hours, everyday.


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    #23959497 - 12/26/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
That guy in the video also speculates it's likely from the fertilizers that they use to grow the tobacco.

I wonder if they use the same fertilizers to grow crops for food. :eek:





given that apatite is the source of phosphorus in fertilizers, probably

the thing to remember is that the dosage makes the poison




from my understanding the difference between using these radio active fertilizers on tobacco vs food is that when ingested the radio active elements simply pass through your body, whereas with tobacco it is inhaled and accumulates in the lungs and bronchial tubes.  it just seems logical that letting even slightly radio active elements just sit in your lungs would be more likely to cause cancer than having that same material pass through your digestive tract over the course of a few days.  it was even detailed in the research done by Philip morris when they were sued back in the 70's


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    #23959510 - 12/26/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I used to take a ton of medicinal mushrooms, even though most studies which back up their use aren't really that great, there are a few which are legit though.


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    #23959527 - 12/26/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Buffalo



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I heard it's linked to colon cancer


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    #23959544 - 12/26/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but, you know

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Dont worry they already have that covered

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Coconut Water


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There was an avocado farmer that I was reading about who was 96 or something, he said he ate an avocado along with his meals 3 times a day, every single day, he always swore that was the reason for his life longevity.


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    #23960076 - 12/27/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives

a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?

Water
Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or
High Fructose Corn Syrup)
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Licorice Extract
Diammonium Phosphate
Ammonium Hydroxide
Cocoa and Cocoa Products
Carob Bean and Extract
Natural and Artificial Flavors




Which is the one that causes that bitter flavor? I was one of those smokers that never had any brand loyalty or affinity, so I'd smoke Newport for a few weeks, then switch to Marlboros, then switch to American Spirits, then switch to Pall Malls, etc.

And I noticed every time I was smoking American Spirits for a while, and then switched to any of the other major brands (Newport, Marlboro, Camels, whatever), they'd always have a really bad, bitter after-taste... almost kind of like a gasoline type of taste. That taste doesn't exist in American Spirits, so it must be one of the additives they're putting in there.


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    #23960402 - 12/27/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's probably the benzene you were tasting. Cigarettes are a major contributor to benzene exposure, which is also in gasoline

Cigarettes also give a you a decent dose of lead poisoning, as the lead content in tobacco gets transfered through the smoke into your lungs. All cigarette smokers have higher than average lead content in their blood


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Veggie and fruit smoothies. I totally believe that adding vegetables and/or fruit to your diet reduces your likelihood of cancer and tumors.






There's actually quite a bit of study done showing that this is true.  More people should read the China Study.  It's a book about the research done by this Dr. Campbell and others, but authored by Campbell, about all the research they have done linking diets high in animal protien to cancer, heart disease, and diabetes.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23960600 - 12/27/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't read the book, but I have seen a documentary on that guy's study. Apparently he was in rural Vietnam shortly after the Vietnam War, and became interested in studying the effects of diet after meat started being introduced into the Vietnamese diet and there was suddenly an explosion of children with liver cancer.

Mongolians eat a diet mostly of butter and meats, and they have some of the highest liver cancer rates, so it's probably true.

I believe dairy is one of the worst things you can consume. For starters, it's full of sex and growth hormones. Second, countries that don't consume dairy have lower rates of osteoporosis than countries that consume high dairy intake. The whole thing we've been fed about dairy being good for your bones and good for your health was all a big marketing campaign that was based on a lie.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960622 - 12/27/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well, yes.  In rural China, where Campbell analyzed a lot of data, he saw that they ate very little meat and that their risk of cancer, heart disease, and diabetes were all very low.  And as they looked at the data in urban China, the diets became more animal-based and the diseases rose.

Also, in Japan, they eat very little animal protein and don't have diabetes.  But when they move here and get introduced to our diet, they begin getting it.

Places like the Cleveland clinic use vegan diet as part of a treatment plan for diabetes, and also for heart disease.

It's hard to get this message out there though, because of our for-profit medical industry, where they are always looking to treat through expensive means such as drugs and surgery.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960625 - 12/27/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't have the links on hand, but the China study has been completely debunked by nutritionists that challenge the status quo and government created food pyramids. I've read a lot about it years ago, basically it's bullshit biased study that vegetarians use to push their agenda. Not to say there aren't some truths to it, but they try to pin all the bad health problems on meat. But quite a few years since i studied the topic, so more specifics are hard to remember. I just remember the macro conclusion I made based on reading a bunch of evidence.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23960639 - 12/27/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think that documentary I saw him in was Forks Over Knives.

Japan, it depends on who you're talking to. Nobles have always eaten some type of grilled fish with their meal. Peasants eat mostly vegetables. But they say Okinawans live the longest out of the Japanese, primarily because they eat a mostly vegetarian diet.

Even a lot of Western doctors will suggest vegetarian diets for people who have specific types of heart disease.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960644 - 12/27/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've seen him debunked several times, from misrepresenting his statistics to misrepresenting his rat casine studies. The Controll group was starved or something also, it was a while ago. I don't remember specifically.

I'm unsure about milk. I like it so much, but I tend to agree. WheneverI drink chocolate milk, I feel terrible and bloated

I don't understand the osteoporosis thing, because shouldn't milk be similar to eggs in that it's a solution animals use to grow very fast? It should be good for building stuff
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I think that documentary I saw him in was Forks Over Knives.

Japan, it depends on who you're talking to. Nobles have always eaten some type of grilled fish with their meal. Peasants eat mostly vegetables. But they say Okinawans live the longest out of the Japanese, primarily because they eat a mostly vegetarian diet.

Even a lot of Western doctors will suggest vegetarian diets for people who have specific types of heart disease.



I heard Japan has always seen vegetarianism as a Chinese thing. One of the vegans I have listened to on YouTube said it was a terrible place for being a vegan,possibly the worst


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    #23960653 - 12/27/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't have the links on hand, but the China study has been completely debunked by nutritionists that challenge the status quo and government created food pyramids. I've read a lot about it years ago, basically it's bullshit biased study that vegetarians use to push their agenda. Not to say there aren't some truths to it, but they try to pin all the bad health problems on meat. But quite a few years since i studied the topic, so more specifics are hard to remember. I just remember the macro conclusion I made based on reading a bunch of evidence.




I don't believe in the government-related food pyramid either. I believe that vegetables should actually be at the bottom in replacement of carbs, for example. The only reason carbs are at the bottom of the food pyramid is because a lot of stuff like wheat and corn is subsidized by the USDA.

But, it is also known that high rates of animal protein consumption are linked to kidney and liver failure. Bodybuilders who frequently intake all sorts of protein powders and eat animal protein excessively are known to suffer from renal failure more often.

The Mongolians are a perfect example of this diet, they eat almost all meat and dairy and no veggies, and they have the highest liver cancer rates in the world.

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I heard Japan has always seen vegetarianism as a Chinese thing. One of the vegans I have listened to on YouTube said it was a terrible place for being a vegan,possibly the worst




He probably just didn't know where to go. In Japan and China there are a lot of monks who eat only vegan meals, and they have restaurants specifically for those monks where he could have eaten.

Generally speaking though, it's hard to get by as a vegan in these countries, because many times most of the animal products are hidden where you don't think you would find it. So for example, you might ask for a vegetable ramen with soy sauce base soup. But inside that soup, they probably used dried anchovy to flavor the stock somewhere along the way without you even realizing it.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: daytripper05]
    #23960663 - 12/27/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't have the links on hand, but the China study has been completely debunked by nutritionists that challenge the status quo and government created food pyramids. I've read a lot about it years ago, basically it's bullshit biased study that vegetarians use to push their agenda. Not to say there aren't some truths to it, but they try to pin all the bad health problems on meat. But quite a few years since i studied the topic, so more specifics are hard to remember. I just remember the macro conclusion I made based on reading a bunch of evidence.




Here's a study I found in five minutes of searching, saying that there is a scientific paradigm shift moving toward plant based nutrition because of all the data.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/502S.short


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23960667 - 12/27/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960670 - 12/27/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The base of the food pyramid is dairy and we will all become milk people

I don't know, he has lived in China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, and China according to his statements(a bas le ciel YouTube). I don't know anywhere with modern markets that ot would be difficult. Eating what another person cooks is always a risk


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23960672 - 12/27/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I've seen him debunked several times, from misrepresenting his statistics to misrepresenting his rat casine studies. The Controll group was starved or something also, it was a while ago. I don't remember specifically.

I'm unsure about milk. I like it so much, but I tend to agree. WheneverI drink chocolate milk, I feel terrible and bloated

I don't understand the osteoporosis thing, because shouldn't milk be similar to eggs in that it's a solution animals use to grow very fast? It should be good for building stuff
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I think that documentary I saw him in was Forks Over Knives.

Japan, it depends on who you're talking to. Nobles have always eaten some type of grilled fish with their meal. Peasants eat mostly vegetables. But they say Okinawans live the longest out of the Japanese, primarily because they eat a mostly vegetarian diet.

Even a lot of Western doctors will suggest vegetarian diets for people who have specific types of heart disease.



I heard Japan has always seen vegetarianism as a Chinese thing. One of the vegans I have listened to on YouTube said it was a terrible place for being a vegan,possibly the worst





Two things.  Japan has become westernized and wealthier.  Urban areas are always more meat-based than suburban, at least in Asian cultures.  I was just reading about it last night.

http://www.pcrm.org/health/diabetes-resources/the-vegan-diet-how-to-guide-for-diabetes


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23960690 - 12/27/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't know, he has lived in China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, and China according to his statements(a bas le ciel YouTube). I don't know anywhere with modern markets that ot would be difficult. Eating what another person cooks is always a risk




He probably wasn't cooking for himself then, I don't see why eating a vegan diet would be difficult at all if he was doing his grocery shopping. There's lots of tofu and vegetables and grains he could have easily eaten in those countries.

And again, in all those countries there are monks who eat only vegan meals. He should have gone to one of those shops that cater to those monks.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960736 - 12/27/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, if you go Vegan you have to do it right.  Vitamin K and B, you have to make sure you get those.

It takes some work.  You shouldn't just stop eating meat without making sure you are getting everything you need.  Including some protein.  But we eat way too much protein anyway.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960802 - 12/27/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't know, he has lived in China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, and China according to his statements(a bas le ciel YouTube). I don't know anywhere with modern markets that ot would be difficult. Eating what another person cooks is always a risk




He probably wasn't cooking for himself then, I don't see why eating a vegan diet would be difficult at all if he was doing his grocery shopping. There's lots of tofu and vegetables and grains he could have easily eaten in those countries.

And again, in all those countries there are monks who eat only vegan meals. He should have gone to one of those shops that cater to those monks.




My sister is vegetarian and just got back from Japan a few weeks ago after 2 weeks being there. She ate meat and fish when she was there because she said it was extremely hard to find vegetarian food there.

Vegetarian is a farce and only possible through modern technology and convenience of grocery stores and burning fossil fuels to get your food flown 1000's of miles to make it available globally. 95% of people couldn't live off a plant based diet if they raised all their own food, or only ate what was fresh seasonally (local to the area) and relied of roots and tubers in winter time. Not only that, to be health you have to get vitamin shots. Yeah, fuck that. That's hardly "natural" to me.


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    #23960810 - 12/27/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Or you could do the research instead of using your sister's antecdotal aount of a tourist's account of Japanese food.

Does she even speak Japanese?


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23960824 - 12/27/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Obviously not. Why do you completely dismiss multiple peoples accounts, one who just spent 2 weeks there just because it doesn't fit your narrative? I didn't say it was impossible, im literally just giving one first hand account from someone who was there, that is a vegetarian, and what she told me.

https://www.insidejapantours.com/blog/2015/07/03/being-vegetarian-in-japan-a-survival-guide/

http://xpatnation.com/eating-vegetarian-in-japan-not-as-easy-as-youd-think/


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: daytripper05]
    #23960877 - 12/27/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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My sister is vegetarian and just got back from Japan a few weeks ago after 2 weeks being there. She ate meat and fish when she was there because she said it was extremely hard to find vegetarian food there.

Vegetarian is a farce and only possible through modern technology and convenience of grocery stores and burning fossil fuels to get your food flown 1000's of miles to make it available globally. 95% of people couldn't live off a plant based diet if they raised all their own food, or only ate what was fresh seasonally (local to the area) and relied of roots and tubers in winter time. Not only that, to be health you have to get vitamin shots. Yeah, fuck that. That's hardly "natural" to me.






Does your sister speak Japanese? Japan is one of those countries that isn't very foreigner friendly and most restaurants don't carry English menus. So you would really have to know what the restaurant is carrying.

You are right about vegetarianism not being possible without modern technology and convenience though. People try to claim humans were vegetarians in early human history, well no they weren't. For early human history humans ate whatever they could get their hands on since sometimes they'd go for days without eating or finding a food source.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960914 - 12/27/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Psilocybin and cannabinoids.

Hempseed oil as well.
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    #23960918 - 12/27/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There is proof that mangos are good for you.


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    #23960930 - 12/27/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There's already proof that everything I said was good for you. I'm implying they have lots of benefits that have yet to be discovered, I guess I should have said myrcene instead of mangoes.


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    #23960946 - 12/27/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There's already proof that everything I said was good for you. I'm implying they have lots of benefits that have yet to be discovered, I guess I should have said myrcene instead of mangoes.




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    #23961038 - 12/27/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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only eating when you are actually hungry, then you eat as much as you can.



Hell yeah man, two big meals when you're hungry is so much easier and more natural than breakfast/lunch/dinner... But I'm pretty sure studies show that eating smaller meals more frequently is better for your body and metabolism.

Fuck that, pass the gravy!! :laugh2:





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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23964601 - 12/29/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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LSD

And puppy dogs.




I had to stop and laugh at this.

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smoking cannabis with french exhales and proper inhalation technique




Fixed that one for you.

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there are some health benefits to nicotine, a study had shown that nicotine can help
stave off parkinsons, some extracts from tobacco were used for treating ebola

the biggest health benefit of smoking isnt for the smoker but the people around them,
after a cigarette is smoked the need to choke the life out of the annoying pieces of
shit has been reduced by 38%




Really, ebola? That's very interesting. Not sure if serious.

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you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives

a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?

Water
Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or
High Fructose Corn Syrup)
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Licorice Extract
Diammonium Phosphate
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Carob Bean and Extract
Natural and Artificial Flavors




Ahh, err, sorry for being stupid, but does sugar have any addictive properties?  And there's a list of 'sugars' that are used, not just that white shit you put in your coffee.

Not that it matters, people are going to do what they want regardless.

But to get back to the topic, a lot of stuff that I see being mentioned is being and probably has been researched, and will continually be researched, because it's all just 'test' to see what works best for each individual. Fermented foods and apple cider vinegar or kombucha with the living organisms that we take into out body to thrive and fight off infections or illness, we are all host for life. When you recognize that fact and care for it, life becomes easier and less stressful.

In my opinion.

Kombucha has become a staple in my diet, I drink at least one GT bottle daily. Foods in their raw forms, uncooked, though some foods need to be cooked for consumption, I understand. I seek foods that need very little preparation, throw some lettuce in a bowl, add various seeds and berries, some goat cheese maybe a hard boiled egg. Avocado is a great fat source and replaces any salad dressing once smeared around in a tossed salad. I try and stay away from breads and pastas and have a good eye on how many grams of sugar are in the things I eat.

Honey. Works for a lot of things. I had a fever blister a couple months back, I get them maybe once or twice a year, around spring and fall. I kept a dab of honey on my lip and the blister never fully developed, not like if I were to use regular chap stick or berts bee or Carmex, they swell and burst and are very painful. Also works for deep, under the skin pimples, had one on my face and rubbed honey on it a couple times a day and the bump is gone.

A lot of this stuff has been researched and we've known about it. Just look how long the Chinese have been studying medicine, they think everything has its uses.


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    #23964860 - 12/29/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Smoking tobacco genuinely helps to keep my horrific hormonal problems at bay. I think it depletes the female hormones that cause havoc with me. Yes it's unhealthy in other ways, but it's the only thing that's helping to keep me alive and functioning right now. So for me, it's actually better than abstaining.

Nightcaps of alcohol. One or two shots of gin a night is standard for me with tonic. I heard that moderate drinkers live longer than those who abstain completely. I also think the quinine in tonic is really good for you.

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    #23965204 - 12/29/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Eggs and butter. The science is split 50/50 last I check, but it's healthy and nothing will convince me otherwise except a solid piece of evidence.

Pasta. I've been eating my own weigh in pasta almost every day. Still alive.



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smoking cannabis with french exhales and proper inhalation technique




Fixed that one for you.

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Prisoner#1 said:
there are some health benefits to nicotine, a study had shown that nicotine can help
stave off parkinsons, some extracts from tobacco were used for treating ebola

the biggest health benefit of smoking isnt for the smoker but the people around them,
after a cigarette is smoked the need to choke the life out of the annoying pieces of
shit has been reduced by 38%




Really, ebola? That's very interesting. Not sure if serious.

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you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives

a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?

Water
Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or
High Fructose Corn Syrup)
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Licorice Extract
Diammonium Phosphate
Ammonium Hydroxide
Cocoa and Cocoa Products
Carob Bean and Extract
Natural and Artificial Flavors




Ahh, err, sorry for being stupid, but does sugar have any addictive properties?  And there's a list of 'sugars' that are used, not just that white shit you put in your coffee.

Not that it matters, people are going to do what they want regardless.

But to get back to the topic, a lot of stuff that I see being mentioned is being and probably has been researched, and will continually be researched, because it's all just 'test' to see what works best for each individual. Fermented foods and apple cider vinegar or kombucha with the living organisms that we take into out body to thrive and fight off infections or illness, we are all host for life. When you recognize that fact and care for it, life becomes easier and less stressful.

In my opinion.

Kombucha has become a staple in my diet, I drink at least one GT bottle daily. Foods in their raw forms, uncooked, though some foods need to be cooked for consumption, I understand. I seek foods that need very little preparation, throw some lettuce in a bowl, add various seeds and berries, some goat cheese maybe a hard boiled egg. Avocado is a great fat source and replaces any salad dressing once smeared around in a tossed salad. I try and stay away from breads and pastas and have a good eye on how many grams of sugar are in the things I eat.

Honey. Works for a lot of things. I had a fever blister a couple months back, I get them maybe once or twice a year, around spring and fall. I kept a dab of honey on my lip and the blister never fully developed, not like if I were to use regular chap stick or berts bee or Carmex, they swell and burst and are very painful. Also works for deep, under the skin pimples, had one on my face and rubbed honey on it a couple times a day and the bump is gone.

A lot of this stuff has been researched and we've known about it. Just look how long the Chinese have been studying medicine, they think everything has its uses.



Sugar is addictive as fuck and too much leads to diabetes so yeah


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The mental gymnastics involved in trying to make yourselves feel better about your cigarette addictions is quite amusing.


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The mental gymnastics involved in trying to make yourselves feel better about your cigarette addictions is quite amusing.



You mean inhailable lettuce? The healthiest thing that you could do for yourself, your family, your country?


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