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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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I think that documentary I saw him in was Forks Over Knives.
Japan, it depends on who you're talking to. Nobles have always eaten some type of grilled fish with their meal. Peasants eat mostly vegetables. But they say Okinawans live the longest out of the Japanese, primarily because they eat a mostly vegetarian diet.
Even a lot of Western doctors will suggest vegetarian diets for people who have specific types of heart disease.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
#23960644 - 12/27/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've seen him debunked several times, from misrepresenting his statistics to misrepresenting his rat casine studies. The Controll group was starved or something also, it was a while ago. I don't remember specifically.
I'm unsure about milk. I like it so much, but I tend to agree. WheneverI drink chocolate milk, I feel terrible and bloated
I don't understand the osteoporosis thing, because shouldn't milk be similar to eggs in that it's a solution animals use to grow very fast? It should be good for building stuffQuote:
Crystal G said: I think that documentary I saw him in was Forks Over Knives.
Japan, it depends on who you're talking to. Nobles have always eaten some type of grilled fish with their meal. Peasants eat mostly vegetables. But they say Okinawans live the longest out of the Japanese, primarily because they eat a mostly vegetarian diet.
Even a lot of Western doctors will suggest vegetarian diets for people who have specific types of heart disease.
I heard Japan has always seen vegetarianism as a Chinese thing. One of the vegans I have listened to on YouTube said it was a terrible place for being a vegan,possibly the worst
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23960653 - 12/27/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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daytripper05 said: I don't have the links on hand, but the China study has been completely debunked by nutritionists that challenge the status quo and government created food pyramids. I've read a lot about it years ago, basically it's bullshit biased study that vegetarians use to push their agenda. Not to say there aren't some truths to it, but they try to pin all the bad health problems on meat. But quite a few years since i studied the topic, so more specifics are hard to remember. I just remember the macro conclusion I made based on reading a bunch of evidence.
I don't believe in the government-related food pyramid either. I believe that vegetables should actually be at the bottom in replacement of carbs, for example. The only reason carbs are at the bottom of the food pyramid is because a lot of stuff like wheat and corn is subsidized by the USDA.
But, it is also known that high rates of animal protein consumption are linked to kidney and liver failure. Bodybuilders who frequently intake all sorts of protein powders and eat animal protein excessively are known to suffer from renal failure more often.
The Mongolians are a perfect example of this diet, they eat almost all meat and dairy and no veggies, and they have the highest liver cancer rates in the world.
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specialpeopleclub said: I heard Japan has always seen vegetarianism as a Chinese thing. One of the vegans I have listened to on YouTube said it was a terrible place for being a vegan,possibly the worst
He probably just didn't know where to go. In Japan and China there are a lot of monks who eat only vegan meals, and they have restaurants specifically for those monks where he could have eaten.
Generally speaking though, it's hard to get by as a vegan in these countries, because many times most of the animal products are hidden where you don't think you would find it. So for example, you might ask for a vegetable ramen with soy sauce base soup. But inside that soup, they probably used dried anchovy to flavor the stock somewhere along the way without you even realizing it.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: daytripper05]
#23960663 - 12/27/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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daytripper05 said: I don't have the links on hand, but the China study has been completely debunked by nutritionists that challenge the status quo and government created food pyramids. I've read a lot about it years ago, basically it's bullshit biased study that vegetarians use to push their agenda. Not to say there aren't some truths to it, but they try to pin all the bad health problems on meat. But quite a few years since i studied the topic, so more specifics are hard to remember. I just remember the macro conclusion I made based on reading a bunch of evidence.
Here's a study I found in five minutes of searching, saying that there is a scientific paradigm shift moving toward plant based nutrition because of all the data.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/502S.short
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23960667 - 12/27/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
#23960670 - 12/27/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The base of the food pyramid is dairy and we will all become milk people
I don't know, he has lived in China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, and China according to his statements(a bas le ciel YouTube). I don't know anywhere with modern markets that ot would be difficult. Eating what another person cooks is always a risk
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23960672 - 12/27/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I've seen him debunked several times, from misrepresenting his statistics to misrepresenting his rat casine studies. The Controll group was starved or something also, it was a while ago. I don't remember specifically.
I'm unsure about milk. I like it so much, but I tend to agree. WheneverI drink chocolate milk, I feel terrible and bloated
I don't understand the osteoporosis thing, because shouldn't milk be similar to eggs in that it's a solution animals use to grow very fast? It should be good for building stuffQuote:
Crystal G said: I think that documentary I saw him in was Forks Over Knives.
Japan, it depends on who you're talking to. Nobles have always eaten some type of grilled fish with their meal. Peasants eat mostly vegetables. But they say Okinawans live the longest out of the Japanese, primarily because they eat a mostly vegetarian diet.
Even a lot of Western doctors will suggest vegetarian diets for people who have specific types of heart disease.
I heard Japan has always seen vegetarianism as a Chinese thing. One of the vegans I have listened to on YouTube said it was a terrible place for being a vegan,possibly the worst
Two things. Japan has become westernized and wealthier. Urban areas are always more meat-based than suburban, at least in Asian cultures. I was just reading about it last night.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diabetes-resources/the-vegan-diet-how-to-guide-for-diabetes
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23960690 - 12/27/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I don't know, he has lived in China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, and China according to his statements(a bas le ciel YouTube). I don't know anywhere with modern markets that ot would be difficult. Eating what another person cooks is always a risk
He probably wasn't cooking for himself then, I don't see why eating a vegan diet would be difficult at all if he was doing his grocery shopping. There's lots of tofu and vegetables and grains he could have easily eaten in those countries.
And again, in all those countries there are monks who eat only vegan meals. He should have gone to one of those shops that cater to those monks.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
#23960736 - 12/27/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, if you go Vegan you have to do it right. Vitamin K and B, you have to make sure you get those.
It takes some work. You shouldn't just stop eating meat without making sure you are getting everything you need. Including some protein. But we eat way too much protein anyway.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
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specialpeopleclub said: I don't know, he has lived in China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, and China according to his statements(a bas le ciel YouTube). I don't know anywhere with modern markets that ot would be difficult. Eating what another person cooks is always a risk
He probably wasn't cooking for himself then, I don't see why eating a vegan diet would be difficult at all if he was doing his grocery shopping. There's lots of tofu and vegetables and grains he could have easily eaten in those countries.
And again, in all those countries there are monks who eat only vegan meals. He should have gone to one of those shops that cater to those monks.
My sister is vegetarian and just got back from Japan a few weeks ago after 2 weeks being there. She ate meat and fish when she was there because she said it was extremely hard to find vegetarian food there.
Vegetarian is a farce and only possible through modern technology and convenience of grocery stores and burning fossil fuels to get your food flown 1000's of miles to make it available globally. 95% of people couldn't live off a plant based diet if they raised all their own food, or only ate what was fresh seasonally (local to the area) and relied of roots and tubers in winter time. Not only that, to be health you have to get vitamin shots. Yeah, fuck that. That's hardly "natural" to me.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: daytripper05]
#23960810 - 12/27/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or you could do the research instead of using your sister's antecdotal aount of a tourist's account of Japanese food.
Does she even speak Japanese?
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23960824 - 12/27/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Obviously not. Why do you completely dismiss multiple peoples accounts, one who just spent 2 weeks there just because it doesn't fit your narrative? I didn't say it was impossible, im literally just giving one first hand account from someone who was there, that is a vegetarian, and what she told me.
https://www.insidejapantours.com/blog/2015/07/03/being-vegetarian-in-japan-a-survival-guide/
http://xpatnation.com/eating-vegetarian-in-japan-not-as-easy-as-youd-think/
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: daytripper05]
#23960877 - 12/27/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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daytripper05 said: My sister is vegetarian and just got back from Japan a few weeks ago after 2 weeks being there. She ate meat and fish when she was there because she said it was extremely hard to find vegetarian food there.
Vegetarian is a farce and only possible through modern technology and convenience of grocery stores and burning fossil fuels to get your food flown 1000's of miles to make it available globally. 95% of people couldn't live off a plant based diet if they raised all their own food, or only ate what was fresh seasonally (local to the area) and relied of roots and tubers in winter time. Not only that, to be health you have to get vitamin shots. Yeah, fuck that. That's hardly "natural" to me.
Does your sister speak Japanese? Japan is one of those countries that isn't very foreigner friendly and most restaurants don't carry English menus. So you would really have to know what the restaurant is carrying.
You are right about vegetarianism not being possible without modern technology and convenience though. People try to claim humans were vegetarians in early human history, well no they weren't. For early human history humans ate whatever they could get their hands on since sometimes they'd go for days without eating or finding a food source.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
#23960914 - 12/27/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybin and cannabinoids.
Hempseed oil as well. Mangoes.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23960918 - 12/27/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is proof that mangos are good for you.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
#23960930 - 12/27/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's already proof that everything I said was good for you. I'm implying they have lots of benefits that have yet to be discovered, I guess I should have said myrcene instead of mangoes.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23960946 - 12/27/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: There's already proof that everything I said was good for you. I'm implying they have lots of benefits that have yet to be discovered, I guess I should have said myrcene instead of mangoes.
Good point. I see what you meant now.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: CultiV8]
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keyser_soze said: only eating when you are actually hungry, then you eat as much as you can.
Hell yeah man, two big meals when you're hungry is so much easier and more natural than breakfast/lunch/dinner... But I'm pretty sure studies show that eating smaller meals more frequently is better for your body and metabolism.
Fuck that, pass the gravy!! 
i'm skinny as fuck and eat two 1500 calories meals per day. lunch and dinner
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Supachopped719 said: LSD
And puppy dogs.
I had to stop and laugh at this.
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yeah said: smoking cannabis with french exhales and proper inhalation technique
Fixed that one for you.
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Prisoner#1 said: there are some health benefits to nicotine, a study had shown that nicotine can help stave off parkinsons, some extracts from tobacco were used for treating ebola
the biggest health benefit of smoking isnt for the smoker but the people around them, after a cigarette is smoked the need to choke the life out of the annoying pieces of shit has been reduced by 38%
Really, ebola? That's very interesting. Not sure if serious.
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Prisoner#1 said: you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives
a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?
Water Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or High Fructose Corn Syrup) Propylene Glycol Glycerol Licorice Extract Diammonium Phosphate Ammonium Hydroxide Cocoa and Cocoa Products Carob Bean and Extract Natural and Artificial Flavors
Ahh, err, sorry for being stupid, but does sugar have any addictive properties? And there's a list of 'sugars' that are used, not just that white shit you put in your coffee.
Not that it matters, people are going to do what they want regardless.
But to get back to the topic, a lot of stuff that I see being mentioned is being and probably has been researched, and will continually be researched, because it's all just 'test' to see what works best for each individual. Fermented foods and apple cider vinegar or kombucha with the living organisms that we take into out body to thrive and fight off infections or illness, we are all host for life. When you recognize that fact and care for it, life becomes easier and less stressful.
In my opinion.
Kombucha has become a staple in my diet, I drink at least one GT bottle daily. Foods in their raw forms, uncooked, though some foods need to be cooked for consumption, I understand. I seek foods that need very little preparation, throw some lettuce in a bowl, add various seeds and berries, some goat cheese maybe a hard boiled egg. Avocado is a great fat source and replaces any salad dressing once smeared around in a tossed salad. I try and stay away from breads and pastas and have a good eye on how many grams of sugar are in the things I eat.
Honey. Works for a lot of things. I had a fever blister a couple months back, I get them maybe once or twice a year, around spring and fall. I kept a dab of honey on my lip and the blister never fully developed, not like if I were to use regular chap stick or berts bee or Carmex, they swell and burst and are very painful. Also works for deep, under the skin pimples, had one on my face and rubbed honey on it a couple times a day and the bump is gone.
A lot of this stuff has been researched and we've known about it. Just look how long the Chinese have been studying medicine, they think everything has its uses.
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
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Smoking tobacco genuinely helps to keep my horrific hormonal problems at bay. I think it depletes the female hormones that cause havoc with me. Yes it's unhealthy in other ways, but it's the only thing that's helping to keep me alive and functioning right now. So for me, it's actually better than abstaining.
Nightcaps of alcohol. One or two shots of gin a night is standard for me with tonic. I heard that moderate drinkers live longer than those who abstain completely. I also think the quinine in tonic is really good for you.
Small amounts of saturated animal fat, be that via cheese or yogurt or whatever. Your body needs a little bit of fat to function optimally, without it I actually get ill.
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