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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Shroomism]
    #23958581 - 12/26/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives

a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?

Water
Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or
High Fructose Corn Syrup)
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Licorice Extract
Diammonium Phosphate
Ammonium Hydroxide
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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958584 - 12/26/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A standard pack of marlboro has far more ingredients than that, they have something like 72 ingredients in them, and some of them are radioactive or toxic such as polonium, arsenic, cyanide, and formaldehyde.

I would never say cigarettes are healthy for this reason alone, now perhaps if you are consuming nicotine or tobacco in its pure form like Natural American Spirits then that's a different story.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958591 - 12/26/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think those are there after it's combusted and inhaled, not beforehand.


I don't know though...doesn't seem like combustion would create arsenic or formaldehyde, some of that shit must be added before hand.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958632 - 12/26/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives

a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?

Water
Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or
High Fructose Corn Syrup)
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Licorice Extract
Diammonium Phosphate
Ammonium Hydroxide
Cocoa and Cocoa Products
Carob Bean and Extract
Natural and Artificial Flavors



Supposedly ammonia (e.g. the ammonium hydroxide in the list) is added to make the nicotine more absorbable. Same idea as preparing cocaine or DMT in freebase form for smoking.

Maybe this in not accurate though.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22001171


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958652 - 12/26/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Virtually every cigarette manufacturer sprays their tobacco either before or during processing with a proprietary blend of additives or "flavor enhancers" which can contain hundreds of different components.
For example ammonia is added which allows the nicotine to reach the lungs quicker. MAOIs are often added to potentiate nicotine and increase the addictiveness fivefold.
Regardless of whatever byproducts of tobacco combustion, most major brands do add a slew of chemicals to the tobacco, their chemists researched long and hard to really maximize the addictive potential of them.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958653 - 12/26/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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A standard pack of marlboro has far more ingredients than that, they have something like 72 ingredients in them, and some of them are radioactive or toxic such as polonium, arsenic, cyanide, and formaldehyde.





false. just because you're told it has that doesnt mean it does, many of these
things are the byproduct of combustion, some are a natural part of the tobacco,
what I listed are the actual ingredients of marlboro 100s.

when you think of an apple you dont think about the vegetable oils, cyanide,
nicotinamide or tocopheral as it's ingredients, you dont think about the shit
as being the chemical byproduct of digestion being included as an ingredient
but here you are making that comparison to tobacco

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I would never say cigarettes are healthy for this reason alone, now perhaps if you are consuming nicotine or tobacco in its pure form like Natural American Spirits then that's a different story.




lol... that's fucking hilarious, it's not a different story because the 70
carcinogenic compounds produced during combustion are still there just as
it is with any other cigarette


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Shroomism]
    #23958667 - 12/26/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Shroomism said:
Virtually every cigarette manufacturer sprays their tobacco either before or during processing with a proprietary blend of additives or "flavor enhancers" which can contain hundreds of different components.
For example ammonia is added which allows the nicotine to reach the lungs quicker.




you mean ammonium hydroxide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_hydroxide#Food_production


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MAOIs are often added to potentiate nicotine and increase the addictiveness fivefold.




which MAOIs are added to marlboro reds?

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Regardless of whatever byproducts of tobacco combustion, most major brands do add a slew of chemicals to the tobacco, their chemists researched long and hard to really maximize the addictive potential of them.





DUH KEMIKILLZ!

I posted the list of actual additives added to marlboros, there's no hundreds,
it's not even a dozen. sure, flavored cigarettes like menthols or vanilla will
have more but you're absolutely wrong about the amount of shit added to cigarettes


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: daytripper05]
    #23958675 - 12/26/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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psi said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
you kids keep saying additives but you're not addressing that when burned tobacco hives off most of what these peckerheads in the anti-smoking world calls additives

a standard pack of marlboro had these ingredients (other than tobacco) which is the addictive one?

Water
Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or
High Fructose Corn Syrup)
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Licorice Extract
Diammonium Phosphate
Ammonium Hydroxide
Cocoa and Cocoa Products
Carob Bean and Extract
Natural and Artificial Flavors



Supposedly ammonia (e.g. the ammonium hydroxide in the list) is added to make the nicotine more absorbable. Same idea as preparing cocaine or DMT in freebase form for smoking.

Maybe this in not accurate though.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22001171





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daytripper05 said:
Nicotine isn't half as addicting as they say it is, in the raw pure form. It's the cigarette additives that make it bad and addictive. 





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Shroomism said:
Yeah you're correct, nicotine itself isn't all that addictive, it's all the other additives they add that make it so.




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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958679 - 12/26/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Tobacco plants are grown using fertilizers that contain a mineral called apatite. Apatite contains radium, another radioactive element, which then decays into polonium. That's where the polonium comes from. It doesn't occur naturally from the smoke itself. This means that Phillip Morris and Altria only list the chemicals that they themselves added to it, but in reality there's dozens of other chemicals that make its way into the tobacco first long before it reaches corporate or even American territory.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23958683 - 12/26/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Shroomism said:
Virtually every cigarette manufacturer sprays their tobacco either before or during processing with a proprietary blend of additives or "flavor enhancers" which can contain hundreds of different components.
For example ammonia is added which allows the nicotine to reach the lungs quicker.




you mean ammonium hydroxide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_hydroxide#Food_production




Kind of a non-sequitur response. Does the use of baking soda in preparing crack from cocaine make smoking a more effective delivery method for the cocaine? Well, baking soda is a very safe food addititive, so...


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958699 - 12/26/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
Tobacco plants are grown using fertilizers that contain a mineral called apatite. Apatite contains radium, another radioactive element, which then decays into polonium.





every gods damned thing on the planet emits radiation


guess what other cigarettes contain polonium 210



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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958753 - 12/26/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That guy in the video also speculates it's likely from the fertilizers that they use to grow the tobacco.

I wonder if they use the same fertilizers to grow crops for food. :eek:


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958757 - 12/26/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
That guy in the video also speculates it's likely from the fertilizers that they use to grow the tobacco.

I wonder if they use the same fertilizers to grow crops for food. :eek:





given that apatite is the source of phosphorus in fertilizers, probably

the thing to remember is that the dosage makes the poison


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23958875 - 12/26/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Placebo effect hands down.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Crystal G]
    #23958955 - 12/26/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Deep fryer oil. Definitely deep fried foods.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23958963 - 12/26/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Heavy metals are everywhere and concentrate when adding manure.  It's a cycle of concentration.  Animal eat's metals from plants and fertilizes the fields that fed them metals and continues forever. Tobacco or weed or potatoes.

I prefer natural tobacco.  I would grow 100 1/4 pound plants a year if I had a spot.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23958976 - 12/26/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ketosis. Although i know it's a treatment for certain individuals with seizures...

I followed a diet plan that basically allowed me to eat as much bacon, sausage and eggs as I wanted.

No carbs or sugar, and I had never felt better in my entire life!


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: emosavagerabbit]
    #23959000 - 12/26/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have heard that can be good for diabetes as well.  Also athletes are using it.  Theory being that the body stores and accesses fat better than carb boosting.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23959034 - 12/26/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It certainly was useful for losing weight. As much as a pound a day!

I kind of took the caloric intake to an extreme though. I plan to be more gradual about it in the future.


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Re: Stuff That You're Convinced Is Healthy But You Can't Prove It Otherwise [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23959035 - 12/26/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

actually the body uses the fat for energy because there's no carbs available


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