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XLCaps said: I could say the same about a lot of things, judging things is part of the human character.
everything is reflection of human nature...save a sum few menial things, to us humans.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: musiclover420]
#23954776 - 12/24/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Money is a mental shackle of sorts that twists how people think about and view things.
it's too easy, or rather, or society puts too much emphasis on what is easy, and they, frankly, get streamlined into one line of work or another- as opposed to experimenting, or rather, being able to experiment without there being some detriment to the act- that is terms of the person's learning and/or advancement.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: musiclover420]
#23954794 - 12/24/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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XLCaps said: I could say the same about a lot of things, judging things is part of the human character.
everything is reflection of human nature...save a sum few menial things, to us humans.
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I hope one day we move past money, it seems impossible when we are shackled to it but I have hope eventually helping each other out will take priority over profits and greed.
Money is practical, anyone with anything that is considered valuable can become corrupt as a result, but thats more of a greed and power thing
I agree that money can't buy happiness as its been told to us by society, but for food and shelter at least
Yes but Money is a key part of the system of putting a value on everything which is where a ton of greed comes from.
Money only seems practical becouse that is the system we are stuck in. Years from now if we ever find a better system people will probably look back in shame at the amount of terrible things that have happened simply over a currency and the value people give it. Money is a mental shackle of sorts that twists how people think about and view things.
Currency has been used for thousands of years, atleast. Bartering assuredly much longer, which really is just another form of economy. It's not a perfect system but it has been stable and efficient enough to form a strong, interconnected, developed society. The system you envision is an idealist's, and it's simply not practical until we have used the current technology to the point that we are ready and evolved enough to implement it. It seems like a bitch when someone puts it like that it's almost insulting to your individual character, but mob rules, and that has nothing to do with individuality.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: nice1returns]
#23954817 - 12/24/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nice1returns said: Why money doesn’t bring happyness
I had a reasonable amount of income and money in the bank at one point 20 thousand uk pounds in savings and a income of over 2000 per month buinlding websites in the seo revolution.
We tend to believe money will make us happy but I want to tell you it doesn’t. When I had my money I goit a short happyness. A temporary high from the belief the money gave me but this rapidly fades and you realise you are still just you. Money can’t buy you happyness and when the initial buzz goes ad you realise the truth that it was all an illusion it can hit you badly and you can become depressed. You realise that happyness was always inside you and that you chased a dream. You wasted your time ultimately when you could have been enjoying life here now. Enjoying a sunset. Enjoying a flower. Being here now. I had to go through this to realise I don’t need money. It was a false measure of happyness that my culture and parents taught me to believe in.
The worst thing about money though is that the illusion can increase your desire and greed. These character traits are extremely negative. To become an insatiable greedy person is not good and this is what the money belief system ultimately results in. We all tell ourselves it won’t happen to us. This isn’t true because by the time you’ve done what it takes to get that money you will be trained in aquistion AKA greed and desire. To change this greed once its built up slowly over time is not easy.
Some people who go with the greed for extended time develop another issue on top of this which is discrimination. They hate the poor and respect the rich. They believe in and spread heirarchy. They buy into brand names and status. The are egotistical and self centered. They believe that people that don’t fit into their class system or have the same money or jobs as them are bad. They create an imaginary ranking system in their head based on money. This is what they call status. They lose their humanity and ability to connect with and respect other people. This is deeply saddening to see. Especially if its your friends and family.
When you get money you become more afraid. You want to buy a safe. Buy a bigger meaner looking car. Buy a bigger house. Buy a CCTV and a guard dog to protect it. People fail to realise what they are doing. You are isolating yourself from other people. From reality itself. Only negative beliefs can result from this. People become so afriad they will only socialise with a small click of similarly wealthy folk.
By the end of it all I didn’t want any money. I still don’t. Money is a false measure of ones own happyness. I know what a negative force it is on people and it saddens me deeply when I see the people around me wasting their lives working 9+ hours a day or gambaling or shopping compulsively.
Money absolutely buys happiness and the more money you have the more happiness you bring to yourself. The trick is you need to give it away not horde it or play on a hedonistic treadmill
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XLCaps said: I could say the same about a lot of things, judging things is part of the human character.
everything is reflection of human nature...save a sum few menial things, to us humans.
1+2=me
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musiclover420 said: Money is a mental shackle of sorts that twists how people think about and view things.
it's too easy, or rather, or society puts too much emphasis on what is easy, and they, frankly, get streamlined into one line of work or another- as opposed to experimenting, or rather, being able to experiment without there being some detriment to the act- that is terms of the person's learning and/or advancement.
Exactly, the vast majority of people get trapped into a pre arranged lifestyle of sorts due to almost everything being strongly influenced by money.
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XLCaps said: Currency has been used for thousands of years, atleast. Bartering assuredly much longer, which really is just another form of economy. It's not a perfect system but it has been stable and efficient enough to form a strong, interconnected, developed society. The system you envision is an idealist's, and it's simply not practical until we have used the current technology to the point that we are ready and evolved enough to implement it. It seems like a bitch when someone puts it like that it's almost insulting to your individual character, but mob rules, and that has nothing to do with individuality.
I do not have a system envisioned, I just hope one day we find something better then money...
You could call that idealistic but we won't get anywhere thinking like that. It takes trial and error and people actually trying to improve things.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23955051 - 12/24/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lack of money brings unhappiness. Debt sucks.
Excess money does not make you happier but you should have enough to get by comfortably.
Money is a form of condensed energy. Saying money doesnt make you happier is like saying electricity doesnt make you happier. In an electric chair, no, but powering your washer and dryer, fuck yes!
Embrace money as a friend. Dont get greedy or falsely needy but, money is a friend, let it help you.
Money should NOT be fiat and issued by a central bank of course!
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: Asante]
#23955237 - 12/24/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're right its just a tool but most people I know claim to have no money and be poor and these people always complain about money yet they have houses and cars and food and drugs? Half the planet has no water or heat or food at all. So what interested me is how over time people can become so convinced they are poor that they end up going to the grave in very expensive coffins with CCTV and big cars still claiming to be poor.
Most of my friends and family I have seen this happening to. The only thing that comes out their mouths when you ask them how they are is something relating back to being unhappy due to wanting more money. I watch many people do this their entire lives and die that way never realising what I have.
The extremes people state here like eating snails or siting in medative bliss 12 hours a day and doing nothing else just highlight the problem more to me. Theres no ability to control ones own emotion. Ones own desire. These extremes show how people can't seem to realise their is a middle ground. People want to take everything to an extreme and this is the state of mind monetary aquirement trains you in. One of excess and false beliefs.
That belief is inside you. Its not an imaginary number in the sky that controls you or your happyness.
I know 20k isn't a huge sum of money but that wasn't my point. I'm not here so say I'm better than you because I saved up some money one time. I was here to tell you my experience of it so if someone else is starting off on that patrh I want to warn them how easy it is to lose your way.
You only have to look around you at the people about you and what they are doing and what they talk about to see the message I'm trying to convey. Those who chooser to judge me and call me a cunt have their own anger they are projecting at me and I'm not gonna respond to that as it doesn't effect me anymore. I've had people trying to harm me since day 1 on this planet. Its just playground monkey tactics. Provide a logical and thoughtful response and we'll talk.
Edited by nice1returns (12/24/16 10:30 PM)
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: nice1returns]
#23955254 - 12/24/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Having more money has brought me happiness. Being able to buy shit I want when I want is fucking great. Don't gotta worry about $$$ for rent or nothing. Feels fucking GREAT.
PRAISE BE CASH
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: Uzziel]
#23955345 - 12/24/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Heres a good question I have,
How many people here get more or the same joy from looking at a Starry moon lit night sky than getting a few grand?
If you answer this honestly and really think about the implications then you're getting to the point I'm at with it now.
I've been training myself and slowly the word money has been phased out of my imagination and its only been beneficial to me as a person.
I don't think I can convey my experience with words any better though I think its something we all have to grow through at some point as we grow up but like I said it pains me to see my friends and family just chanting the word money like its their mantra for not experiencing reality.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: nice1returns]
#23955351 - 12/24/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's so blind, and exactly what I was saying. The two things are apples and oranges. Yeah the stars are pretty but pretty doesn't fucking do anything for you.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: nice1returns]
#23955364 - 12/24/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I take my few grand and take my woman to to watch the stars on top of some mountain in Chile.
Money I earned bought me a 10 bedroom house. The ability to treat my friends and family to anything. Helping my sister with her university fees. Ect.
I also get great satisfaction and happiness out of working for that money. The sense of satifaction you get when you accomplish a difficult and dangerous task is great.
Its all about how you choose to spend that dough. Having money is all about being able to act, do something about what you usually couldn't do anything about. Do good thing and good thing will come to you.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: nice1returns] 1
#23955365 - 12/24/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nice1returns said: Heres a good question I have,
How many people here get more or the same joy from looking at a Starry moon lit night sky than getting a few grand?
If you answer this honestly and really think about the implications then you're getting to the point I'm at with it now.
I've been training myself and slowly the word money has been phased out of my imagination and its only been beneficial to me as a person.
I don't think I can convey my experience with words any better though I think its something we all have to grow through at some point as we grow up but like I said it pains me to see my friends and family just chanting the word money like its their mantra for not experiencing reality.
money pays my bills
starry moon nights suck when your homeless and it's 20 degrees outside
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: nice1returns] 1
#23955373 - 12/24/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nice1returns said: it pains me to see my friends and family just chanting the word money like its their mantra for not experiencing reality.
Hey I totally feel you on that. I hate the whole striving solely for cash / status deal too. I have family and friends like that as well, that feel all superior cause they have the cash aspect settled, but not other important aspects, such as health, spirituality, universal awareness, ability to see past superficial worldly shit.. etc etc.
I think what we need is a healthy balance of both sides. Like you said, ofc, the peacefulness of gazing at the night sky will bring more joy (atleast for me) than the act of striving for cash or even getting money.
But from how I see it, won't it suck if you have no room to return to after gazing? If you have no food to eat after? If you have no warm cloths while out there in the cold?
Granted, if you're a master survivalist that can like, efficiently live in the woods with nothing but your knowledge of nature, that's a different story. You could eat edible mushrooms / plants.. build a nice hut.. maybe weave yourself some cloths from animal fur.. you'd be set.
But to live in society you need money. The more you have, the more comfortably you can live.
^ That doesn't mean you have to ball out and buy expensive shit. I mean you could save it, and just chill out and live peacefully without too much worry. Right?
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: maxpassin] 1
#23955470 - 12/24/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If money keeps me from dying from medical problems, starving to death and helps prevent me from dying from exposure then it sure makes me happy. If you're ever really sick and can't afford to get help you will understand why money can 'buy' you happiness- it' security and safety in a society that requires it.
You can try and go homeless on the streets, but I guarantee in a society that uses money to keep the wheels running, you're not going to be happy. You can say "oh i'm 'happy' because someone gave me food so I'm thankful" but reality is what if someone didn't take pity on you that night and you had to just go without eating? You aren't going to be very happy feeling like death on the streets.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: Maverick]
#23955516 - 12/25/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Money doesn't make things good, it just makes them easy. You can't buy love, friendship, fulfillment, achievement. You gotta acquire those yourself. And those are the real things that make you happy. Just like K and MDMA
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: nice1returns] 2
#23955531 - 12/25/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nice1returns said: How many people here get more or the same joy from looking at a Starry moon lit night sky than getting a few grand?
If you answer this honestly and really think about the implications then you're getting to the point I'm at with it now.
can a person not enjoy looking at the starry moonlit sky and having money? it seems that if you have money you can afford yourself more time to look into the stars
how about just making your point and stop trying to pretend you're so much better than us because you're miserable with or without money
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23955567 - 12/25/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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money may not buy you happiness but its more comfortable to cry in your Mercedes.
Excess money doesnt buy happiness. But it is needed for happiness. Money provides a way to enjoy life... experiences with others makes you happy... crappy stuff doesnt make you happy.
However life is still life. Money should be spent on shit that matters even if its unnecessary but relates the person such as say... art. Money SHOULD NOT BE SPENT on shit like a fucking fancy blender.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23955587 - 12/25/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Most of posts are consistantly about removing ego, exposing heirarchy. As soon as you put any wall between us you can disregard everything I say. I'm not perfect. I don't think I'm better than anyone but I do think I've seen a problem in myself and my immediate family that I know how it operates and how to over come it. Theres a middle path.
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Re: Why money doesn’t bring happyness [Re: Shroomism]
#23955704 - 12/25/16 03:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomism said: When you need a liver transplant or (insert medical emergency here) that insurance won't cover (because you don't have it) and have to pay out of pocket, lost your job due to said medical emergency and your house is about to be foreclosed on and you are starving to death, then tell me money can't buy happiness.
Regardless of how you feel about it, money in modern society buys security and survival and that equals happiness to a lot of people. Money is just energy. It's neither good nor bad.. how you use it or perceive it is up to you. If you become consumed with it that's you.. Have you ever been homeless for an extended period of time? It fucking sucks. The total lack of money in a society that runs on it can buy unhappiness and suffering. So therefore......
I wouldn't necessarily say money can buy happiness... but lack of money can most certainly lead to unhappiness, and most often does.
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