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Invisiblesudly
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Do you fear not having your drugs?
    #23953355 - 12/24/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm starting to think I do.

Recently I've been trying to take 2 steps back and 1 step forward in an effort to widen my perspective to be inclusive of the concepts of karma and chakra, though reinterpreted through theoretical and biological analysis into negative entropy and a Tripartite model.

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The concept and phrase "negative entropy" was introduced by Erwin Schrödinger in his 1944 popular-science book What is Life? Later, Léon Brillouin shortened the phrase to negentropy, to express it in a more "positive" way: a living system imports negentropy and stores it.




Tripartite Model: Brain, Heart, Intestine


Gone over a month now without tobacco.
I'm out of bud at the moment but I'm trying to practice being patient in knowing I will come across it some day in the future, essentially I think I'm relying on hope to survive.



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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: sudly]
    #23953441 - 12/24/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I do detest not having my full dietary spectrum as well as bathing and clean clothes.

Very happy you are off tobacco. congratulations - keep it up.

Not happy that you are cut off from the enchanting immersions that psychedelics provide.

Now you are too busy fitting round pegs into square holes. it is a wasted effort of validating previous stoned theorization. You will have to distance your self from Mckennas - they never thought anything through - instead they filled any space with fragments of undigested BS and pseudoscience. It is a bad example for the children of this planet.


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: sudly]
    #23953444 - 12/24/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Order and disorder probably cancel out like everything else. I wouldn't take much advice about life from a physicist or think there is some kind of spiritual meaning to entropy. It just increases and that's it. ife can be a little boring without drugs. Do what you want.


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: sudly]
    #23953446 - 12/24/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I will not fear not having a beer. 



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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23954179 - 12/24/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: sudly]
    #23954206 - 12/24/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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sudly said:
I'm starting to think I do.

Recently I've been trying to take 2 steps back and 1 step forward in an effort to widen my perspective to be inclusive of the concepts of karma and chakra, though reinterpreted through theoretical and biological analysis into negative entropy and a Tripartite model.

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The concept and phrase "negative entropy" was introduced by Erwin Schrödinger in his 1944 popular-science book What is Life? Later, Léon Brillouin shortened the phrase to negentropy, to express it in a more "positive" way: a living system imports negentropy and stores it.




Tripartite Model: Brain, Heart, Intestine


Gone over a month now without tobacco.
I'm out of bud at the moment but I'm trying to practice being patient in knowing I will come across it some day in the future, essentially I think I'm relying on hope to survive.






Its really good to detox the system every once in a while if you using drugs.  It doesnt feel good, and mentally you may seem below baseline, but thats just the equal/opposite reaction of a drug that allows a temporary change in certain behavior of endogenous chems into a high.  The fear is a choice side effect which lends itself easily to such states of being depraved after continued use for some time.

Craving a illusory like response to do the last thing you used to do to get rid of the thing you now feel is a hindrance - in order to continue the pleasure seeking  - pain adverting behavior that has helped mammals survive for generations in their environment - only now its a bit mutated.


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Edited by The Blind Ass (12/24/16 01:12 PM)


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23954230 - 12/24/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
pain adverting behavior that has helped mammals survive for generations in their environment - only now its a bit mutated.




Supermarkets, drugz and television roll yo

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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #23954235 - 12/24/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The way I get around the fear of going without is that I make sure I never run out


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: wicca mixer] * 1
    #23954381 - 12/24/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

good plan
fill the hole in your tree with nuts for the winter.


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #23955546 - 12/25/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
Now you are too busy fitting round pegs into square holes. it is a wasted effort of validating previous stoned theorization. You will have to distance your self from Mckennas - they never thought anything through - instead they filled any space with fragments of undigested BS and pseudoscience. It is a bad example for the children of this planet.




They did write a book on how to cultivate magic mushrooms :shrug:
Either way I'm not trying to validate their work specifically, only one aspect of one idea, that magic mushrooms were probably involved in the development of a sense of morality in early humans. Then I'm taking that idea and linking it to other aspects of other theories like those of Sigmund Freud(Tripartite Personality), Paul D.Maclean(Tripartite Brain), and Plato(Tripartite Soul).

@Mike
Negative Entropy, aka. Negontropy
Not entropy.

The way I see it, entropy is like a Sun dying, negative entropy is like a Sun forming.


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23955903 - 12/25/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I do detest not having my full dietary spectrum as well as bathing and clean clothes.





i was wearing the same pair of work-jeans for just over a month.  the same undershirt until it was too stiff or sawdusty/chippy to be comfortable, and the same nomex shirt until it was overly-saturated with smoke and sawdust.  i'm lucky to bathe once every two weeks.  smoke is an amazing preservative, and fire/heat-energy is the best cleaning solution




OP: specifically for "drugs."  probation, and mostly remaining sober, has allowed me to adjust away from constantly being under the influence (cannabis) and to re-appreciate sobriety.  however, the first 5-10 days transitioning from being stoned to being sober is not a pleasant one.  after that, i tend to enjoy the sober state as much as or moreso than the cannabis-state.  unfortunately, in that regard, cannabis has a plethora of physical benefits, and one emotional benefit, that outweighs the contentment of the sober-state.



i no longer fear not having but fear i long


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: sudly]
    #23955909 - 12/25/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I'm afraid of not having my drugs. From both a functional and recreational standpoint.


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: Zombi3]
    #23956660 - 12/25/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm starting to think I do.




And I'M starting to think that I've had enough of this juvenile ass forum full of people who worship drugs like they're the answer to all of life's problems.


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23956702 - 12/25/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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And I'M starting to think that I've had enough of this juvenile ass forum full of people who worship drugs like they're the answer to all of life's problems.




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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: yogashaman21] * 1
    #23956764 - 12/25/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's not like drugs increased the life expectancy of humans from 30 years to 80 or anything..

There are thousands of different kinds of drugs in the world that all have different benefits, side effects and disadvantages. They aren't the answer to all of life's problems but they do have the capability of helping people who have gone through tough situations, for example those with PTSD and nightmarish dreams have found great relief and improvement in their mood and sleep after using some medications.

I don't think drugs are permanent answers and they shouldn't be entirely relied on, I think instead they're useful for providing an experience that you can take away from in the future, to me drugs can act like a spotter at a gym, you don't entirely rely on them but they are there for you if you need a hand.


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: sudly]
    #23957254 - 12/25/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Great post! :thumbup:


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: viktor]
    #23966569 - 12/29/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, Everyday!


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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23968635 - 12/30/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Man i need to quit tobacco..

Fuck what a night.

Happy birthday to me.


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Invisiblesudly
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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: hTx]
    #23968641 - 12/30/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you want to quit tobacco some info on what goes into tailored tobacco may be of help to assist you to stop expecting to smoke.
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11/18/16
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Philip Morris and other tobacco companies have been using ammonia in their manufacturing for more than half a century, and for a variety of purposes: to highlight certain flavors, to expand or “puff up” the volume of tobacco, to prepare reconstituted tobacco sheet




Tailored tobacco companies like Phillip Morris have been using additives to change the flavours of their tobacco for years. Flavours of tobacco can be changed by changing the pH and to do this they need to alkalise the tobacco with ammonia compounds like ammonium salts which on their own are highly toxic and can cause damage to cellular respiration.


After further readings I've found the real use of ammonium salt is to increase the bioavailability of nicotine in the lungs to create a stronger and more addictive effect.

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'Addition of substances which increase the bioavailability of nicotine.'
"Increase the bioavailability of nicotine by adding alkalising ingredients which increase the pH of tobacco (such as ammonium compounds). At higher pH (pH >8.0) more nicotine is in its free uncharged form, which would therefore more easily pass the (lung) membrane i.e. higher absorption leading to higher blood and brain nicotine levels. For details see section 3.8.3.2 on ammonia and other compounds affecting smoke pH."
http://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/opinions_layman/tobacco/en/l-3/5.htm




Since reading this I haven't had any tobacco in 48 hours because I don't believe washing ammonium salt in an undisclosed acid removes 100% of its toxicity. Additionally they are adding ammonium salt not removing ammonia!
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Although toxic in large doses, ammonia is relatively easy to remove from processed tobacco leaves; the gaseous form is quite volatile, and the salt is easily neutralized by the addition of an acid



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424107/

Ammonium salt and potassium carbonate additives are in your tailors.
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Corporation in 1964 patented a tobacco substitute “in which ammonia salts are used to inhibit benz-a-pyrene formation, and in 1967 British American Tobacco researchers reported similar reductions with potassium carbonate"







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Re: Do you fear not having your drugs? [Re: sudly]
    #23974656 - 01/01/17 11:58 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

This is another way drugs function to put us in an altered state - fear.

Even if we have lots of drugs on hand, we fear losing them . . .

* We could end up in the hospital without our dope.

* Our house might burn down and our drugs would be lost.

* Our main drug dealer might find Jesus and quit selling.

* Someone might steal our drugs. Our dog might eat our stash.

* Our drugs might get old and lose their potency.

And on and on and on . . .


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