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Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid
    #23953189 - 12/24/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Definitely avoid A1's Mesquite BBQ dry rub... I just sprinkled some on my eggs and mushrooms to see how this would taste.... shit tastes disgusting, like straight up Doritos Nacho Cheese seasoning.






I also strongly recommend people avoid Zatarain's Crab Boil, the seasoning tastes extremely bitter and you end up with nothing remotely close to Cajun style spice



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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953240 - 12/24/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Meat, dairy, eggs. Usually anything that tastes good.

Any chemical cleaners or detergent.

While I'm here I'll mention that Dr Bronner's 18 in 1 hemp soap is spectacular. I just picked up some from a store the other day.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Shiithead] * 4
    #23953245 - 12/24/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

once i ate a cheeseburger covered in ants.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953247 - 12/24/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've had tasty boils with the boil bags, but it is not the only spice or a majority I put in the pot.  I'll usually put 1 bag in for a 20-30 quart pot and use 'slap your mama' or 'swamp fire' for the majority of the kick along with a bunch of veggies.
The stuff ive tried that A-1 puts out that's not the orginal sauce is indeed gross.
I'm not fond of the Greek yogurt ranch dressing, mayo, or miracle whip but many people are.
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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953248 - 12/24/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Chips and mushrooms are pretty good.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23953295 - 12/24/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not fond of the Greek yogurt ranch dressing




Ugh, yeah that reminds me, I tried one of those "creamy yogurt" dressings that tasted god-awful. Regular ranch is much better.

As for the crab boil I just didn't like it, I should have made my own Boiling Crab knock-off recipe using regular ingredients instead.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953307 - 12/24/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Toss some mushrooms in your shrimp, crab, or crawfish boil. They are delicious. I've seen people put hot dogs in there as well but that's another thing I find gross.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23953313 - 12/24/16 03:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't do hot dogs, but I've put gourmet chicken and apple sausages and other types of sausage in a seafood boil, gives off a good flavor.

Personally I prefer steaming to boiling shellfish, I think it tastes much better steamed.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953318 - 12/24/16 03:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I like shrimp anyway it's cooked! As long as it's shrimp from local water. Worked in a seafood shop during college, can spot a fresh skrimp from a mile away.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23953327 - 12/24/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Which shrimp do you like better, saltwater or freshwater?


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953335 - 12/24/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've never had fresh water shrimp so I can't compare them. But I like saltwater fish way more than fresh water fish. I very very seldom eat freshwater fish.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: pinedownpioneer] * 3
    #23953348 - 12/24/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

NEVER eat microwaved popcorn. Never ever.

The baggies are lined with perfluorooctanesulfonic acid, a kind of teflon compound used as a biocide, and when you eat it you get a truly unhealthy exposure to this compound. Its actually one of THE unhealthiest foods you can eat, regular popcorn is fine.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Asante]
    #23953360 - 12/24/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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NEVER eat microwaved popcorn. Never ever.

The baggies are lined with perfluorooctanesulfonic acid, a kind of teflon compound used as a biocide, and when you eat it you get a truly unhealthy exposure to this compound. Its actually one of THE unhealthiest foods you can eat, regular popcorn is fine.




Interesting. I went through a phase in college where I ate tons of microwaved popcorn.

Then I discovered popping corn, and realized it was just as easy to cook and season a bowl of popcorn over the stove.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953365 - 12/24/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't eat much popcorn but now I'll definitely steer clear of the bagged corn.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953366 - 12/24/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I still eat those on rare occasions, cant be that bad.. Im mean they are pretty good..


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G] * 3
    #23953424 - 12/24/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Why are you putting sweet mesquite BBQ dry rub on eggs and mushrooms? Do you even food?


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    #23953454 - 12/24/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I wanted some extra flavor, something besides just salt and pepper, and that seasoning had been sitting in the drawer for a while untouched.

I'm really glad I tried it now before actually putting the whole thing on a pork roast or something.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953465 - 12/24/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I made the mistake of buying a little tub of Hormel Buffalo Chicken



It was only like $3 and I thought I could use if for sandwiches at work.  The chicken was disgusting though.  It made the meat they put on top of frozen pizzas seem gourmet by comparison.  It literally seemed more like rubber or soft silicone than meat.  I don't know how they screwed it up so bad, don't really want to know.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: moonrockmushy] * 4
    #23953484 - 12/24/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

God damn that looks disgusting. You guys eat some weird shit :shrug:


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #23953494 - 12/24/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Definitely avoid A1's Mesquite BBQ dry rub... I just sprinkled some on my eggs and mushrooms to see how this would taste.... shit tastes disgusting, like straight up Doritos Nacho Cheese seasoning.







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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953517 - 12/24/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I generally avoid using nasty food products.:smirk:

I do use this for eggs, hash browns, salads, sometimes just instead of pepper.
I don't remember actually buying it, probably a leftover Xmas present from last year. :confused:


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23953525 - 12/24/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I made the mistake of buying a little tub of Hormel Buffalo Chicken

It was only like $3 and I thought I could use if for sandwiches at work.  The chicken was disgusting though.  It made the meat they put on top of frozen pizzas seem gourmet by comparison.  It literally seemed more like rubber or soft silicone than meat.  I don't know how they screwed it up so bad, don't really want to know.




OH GOD, that reminds me of those little fake meatballs that come out in some Vietnamese pho shops...

There's these really god-awful meatballs that is served at almost every cheap pho shop, and these meatballs, you can taste that they are so heavily processed they make Oscar Meyer look gourmet in comparison.

Normally when you bite into a meatball it looks like ground meat on the inside, but you bite into this meatball and it looks completely smooth on the inside like a piece of tofu or jello.

And some of these places have pretty decent broth too. Why would you fuck up a bowl of pho with some rancid, wack shit like that?!

THESE!!!! THESE ARE EXACTLY THE FUCKING MEATBALLS IN THIS PICTURE THAT I'M FUCKING TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7wYBdkche20/U0X7fuvYDMI/AAAAAAAAK0E/GOPyEd6zvkU/s1600/pho.jpg


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953537 - 12/24/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's unsettling.

Another really bad product is Jack Links "jerky" products.  They're like jerky nuggets or something, but they just taste like something I would feed to my dog, and I did end up just using them as dog treats.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953546 - 12/24/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

partially hydrogenated oil, hydrogenated oil, artificial colors/flavors, enriched wheat, MSG, sugar, high fructose corn syrup, potassium and sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate, soy lecithin, polysorbate 80, acesulfame-k, sucralose, aspartame, BHA/BHT, propyl chloride.

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Lucis]
    #23953570 - 12/24/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Enriched wheat is just fortified with vitamins and minerals, there's nothing strange or unhealthy about that. MSG likewise has no known health effects, just crazy people who when they know they're eating MSG suddenly get a headache or something yet eat it all the time unknowingly and do not; these are the same people who are allergic to wifi :rolleyes:. There's also no evidence or reason to suspect aspartame might be in any way unhealthy.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #23953592 - 12/24/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have known people that had IBS, crohns, ulcers, or other digestive system disorders, and from abstaining from somethings which are on that list, their symptoms cleared right up.:shrug:

Everyone is different.

I think some people are raised around diets which don't include much of these things, then when they consume them in the quantities which are found in foods, it causes some distress.  I do think some people blow things out of proportion though, but for myself it's a personal choice to abstain from such things, and if the good feeling I have from not consuming these things is just psychosomatic with no real health benefits, then I am OK with that too.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Lucis]
    #23953607 - 12/24/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I was raised on shit processed food.  I can drink whiskey and eat mcdonalds all night and I wake up and my stomach is fine, where some people they would be dying.

I just hate when processed food tastes bad.  IDGAF about health I just want it to taste good.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: moonrockmushy] * 2
    #23953633 - 12/24/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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IDGAF about health I just want it to taste good.





You should though, I mean it's your choice, your life, but I promise you without being health conscious your later years of life wont be as smooth.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Lucis]
    #23953639 - 12/24/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I mean I do, but I also want to appreciate the abundance and gluttony of our modern world.  I more try to find the middle path.  For an American I'm actually rather healthy, but I'm not one of those that aspire to be some paragon of dietary purity.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Lucis]
    #23953664 - 12/24/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I have known people that had IBS, crohns, ulcers, or other digestive system disorders, and from abstaining from somethings which are on that list, their symptoms cleared right up.:shrug:

Everyone is different.

I think some people are raised around diets which don't include much of these things, then when they consume them in the quantities which are found in foods, it causes some distress.  I do think some people blow things out of proportion though, but for myself it's a personal choice to abstain from such things, and if the good feeling I have from not consuming these things is just psychosomatic with no real health benefits, then I am OK with that too.




A lot of the stuff on that list is bad though, I'm not saying it's all safe, just the 4 or so things I mentioned. I don't doubt that when someone abstains from eating msg that they no longer experience headaches for instance, of course their placebo headache will go away for the same reason it existed in the first place. These people are most likely still eating msg anyway though, they're just not aware of it, and the same is likely true for many of the other things. Unless you have an incredibly strict diet and cook everything yourself it's extremely unlikely that you can actually avoid a lot of things on that list in the first place.

MSG for instance naturally occurs in all kinds of common foods we eat, it's only listed as an ingredient when it's added to it. So some wifi fearing anti vaxxer will eat some chinese food, convince themselves it gives them a headache, go lay down for a few hours binge watching tv and avoiding life, and then go eat some msg loaded cheese for dinner and not have an issue. It's not an msg allergy, it's a mental disorder. They probably had some bs they didn't want to deal with and instead of facing and accepting it they find some medical reason to get out of it, I totally believe they believe it, they've convinced themselves of such, but it's still completely false.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: krypto2000]
    #23953690 - 12/24/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm actually not completely convinced anymore that MSG is that bad for you.

I mean for starters, it's almost impossible to find something pre-packaged at the Japanese market that doesn't have MSG in it. Even all the soy sauce, the broths, the tonkatsu sauce, the sukiyaki sauce, they all contain MSG in it. It's actually almost impossible to find a product that doesn't contain MSG in it.

I am however pretty wary of those fake sugar substitutes, stuff like Splenda.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23953702 - 12/24/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

MSG in small amounts isnt really that harmful.

Sodium is a mineral, glutamic acid is an essential amino acid.


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    #23953714 - 12/24/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953727 - 12/24/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think msg is a natural product of fermentation so it might be impossible to have a traditional soy sauce without it. They might add more to it, I don't know, but it's there anyway. I'm recalling that from memory so take it with a grain of salt, I did not check to verify.

As far as artificial sweeteners I don't know about all of them, but aspartame has been studied extensively and has been around for a very long time now. It's literally one of the most studied chemicals that we consume, if there were something wrong with it we would know by now, but there is just no evidence that there is.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23953730 - 12/24/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I actually have a friend who orders MSG by the pound to use on his food. Says it makes all his food taste so much more amazing.

Of course most people will never crack KFC's secret 11-herb ingredient recipe, because one of the spices I'm sure, is MSG.


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    #23953754 - 12/24/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:shrug: I guess you could call it an herb, or at least a spice, but it's more in the category of food additive IMO.

11 herbs and spices and 19 food additives.


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    #23953757 - 12/24/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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:shrug: I guess you could call it an herb, or at least a spice, but it's more in the category of food additive IMO.

11 herbs and spices and 19 food additives.




Are there actually 19 food additives in KFC?

Makes sense.

Hence why people can guess the 11 herbs and spices all they want, and even if they're completely accurate on the spices, it's still never going to taste like KFC. Because KFC probably uses a different type of oil, they probably prepare the chicken by soaking it in some special customized liquid for hours or even days beforehand, and they probably add MSG and all this other chemical shit to make it taste exactly the way it tastes.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953761 - 12/24/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ajinomoto MSG is the best, beautiful crystal MSG, comes in plastic baggies of 1 pound for 2 bucks or so.


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    #23953764 - 12/24/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23953825 - 12/24/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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:shrug: I guess you could call it an herb, or at least a spice, but it's more in the category of food additive IMO.

11 herbs and spices and 19 food additives.




Are there actually 19 food additives in KFC?

Makes sense.

Hence why people can guess the 11 herbs and spices all they want, and even if they're completely accurate on the spices, it's still never going to taste like KFC. Because KFC probably uses a different type of oil, they probably prepare the chicken by soaking it in some special customized liquid for hours or even days beforehand, and they probably add MSG and all this other chemical shit to make it taste exactly the way it tastes.




Probably, I was just making a joke tho, I'm not sure the actual number or where the line between spice and additive is in modern corporate food servers.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23954161 - 12/24/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Reminds me of a recipe I saw once on how to make McDonald's fries (and I'm talking their old-school fries when they were were wayyyyyy better, back when they used to fry them in beef fat in the 90's).

The fucking thing was like a 96 hour long recipe! You had to soak it in a shit-ton of ingredients for practically 2 days beforehand and let it marinade before tossing all the seasonings onto it and frying it.

So much effort for some damn old school McD fries! :crankey:

These corporations literally pay scientists to tweak the recipe to bring out maximum flavor, and they also have unlimited resources so they can make the recipe as complicated and lengthy as possible to develop their own signature unique taste.

There's just no way the average layperson can emulate that sort of taste on their own.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23954437 - 12/24/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I wouldn't do hot dogs, but I've put gourmet chicken and apple sausages and other types of sausage in a seafood boil, gives off a good flavor.

Personally I prefer steaming to boiling shellfish, I think it tastes much better steamed.




When I was a kid my friend bought a 2$ bag of hot dogs from a local convenience store for munchies. I can't remember if I was the only one or not but they made me pretty sick... The next day my friend who bought then heated up the leftovers and ate em :eek:

Maybe I just have e a sensitive stomach, I do for sure with some stuff.

But I never plan on eating cheap meat like that again. Got some Chinese the other day,  general tsaos from a place that used to make the best stuff. This time it tasted insanely bland and the meat had a unnerving texture. It looked like chicken just super cheap/ ghetto. I threw almost all of it out.

Honestly people should avoid like 95%+ of processed foods IMO.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23954475 - 12/24/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously, fuck aunt Jemima, that bitch has more than half of America fooled


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    #23954771 - 12/24/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Seriously, fuck aunt Jemima, that bitch has more than half of America fooled





Fake syrup is so nasty, it's pretty much colored/ flavored high fructose :eek:


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    #23954789 - 12/24/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Seriously, fuck aunt Jemima, that bitch has more than half of America fooled





How did you not know it wasn't maple syrup?


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: trees]
    #23954834 - 12/24/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Pfft that stuff is good, idgaf what they say.. :homerdrool:


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    #23954889 - 12/24/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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God damn that looks disgusting. You guys eat some weird shit :shrug:



:ilold:


the more the posts went on...i was literally like making SFX, because i am fucked right now, but it just gets progressively worse 'cause more importantly the shit is just fuckin' nasty, so it's appropriate....wtf, all this shit is hilariously bad. consumer processed food is noxious. :lol: :puke: BLARGH

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I generally avoid using nasty food products.:smirk:

I do use this for eggs, hash browns, salads, sometimes just instead of pepper.
I don't remember actually buying it, probably a leftover Xmas present from last year. :confused:


..:fancycook: . . . :peace:



:lmafo:

what the fuck was this company thinking. i bet it literally tastes like jerk, someone's personal jerk-off in spice-form. it's serious!

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Meat, dairy, eggs. Usually anything that tastes good.

Any chemical cleaners or detergent.

While I'm here I'll mention that Dr Bronner's 18 in 1 hemp soap is spectacular. I just picked up some from a store the other day.



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    #23954893 - 12/24/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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    #23954895 - 12/24/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23954949 - 12/24/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23954957 - 12/24/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fake syrup is shit.  I go for the real stuff made up north.  Probably one of the few south Texans that knows real maple syrup fresh from the woods.  My father is from the north and taught us wtf real maple syrup is.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: musiclover420]
    #23954977 - 12/24/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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When I was a kid my friend bought a 2$ bag of hot dogs from a local convenience store for munchies. I can't remember if I was the only one or not but they made me pretty sick... The next day my friend who bought then heated up the leftovers and ate em :eek:

Maybe I just have e a sensitive stomach, I do for sure with some stuff.

But I never plan on eating cheap meat like that again. Got some Chinese the other day,  general tsaos from a place that used to make the best stuff. This time it tasted insanely bland and the meat had a unnerving texture. It looked like chicken just super cheap/ ghetto. I threw almost all of it out.

Honestly people should avoid like 95%+ of processed foods IMO.




I've had some pretty fucking bad beef from shitty, low-quality Chinese restaurants. Stuff that's so bad it makes you wonder if it's imitation beef. Can't put nothing past the Chinese.

Honestly, beef sold at virtually most shitty national supermarkets is going to be shitty and chewy and hard.

Always avoid beef from Shoprite and Food 4 Less. I tried buying beef a couple of times from these stores, and even if you buy a more expensive cut like rib eye or veal, it still tastes hard like shit!

I refuse to buy beef unless it's from Whole Foods or a good butcher anymore.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23955011 - 12/24/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Honestly, beef sold at virtually most shitty national supermarkets is going to be shitty and chewy and hard.

Always avoid beef from Shoprite and Food 4 Less. I tried buying beef a couple of times from these stores, and even if you buy a more expensive cut like rib eye or veal, it still tastes hard like shit!

I refuse to buy beef unless it's from Whole Foods or a good butcher anymore.




that hasnt been my experience and to be honest, whole foods is just higher priced
because they throw the organic branding, the place is a high end retailer of average
quality products and many very questionable ones such as their imported organic crap
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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23955018 - 12/24/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah the only beef I buy is generally organic and or free range preferably and its always absolutely delicious.

It's like 8$ a pound or something though so I don't get it too often. Honestly I try to eat less meat when I can.

IME the best meat is usually bought locally not from a store but it probably depends where you live.

Wouldn't be surprised if some chinese food meat is imitation or worse :eek:


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: musiclover420]
    #23955041 - 12/24/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)




Fuck margarine and other butter replacement products. That are oil thickened, colorized, odorized and preserved with additives.

Use (cow) butter or Ghee. Its much healthier and tastier.

In olden days people used BUTTER and obesity and heart disease were almost nonexistent.

If you dont use too much of it, saturated fat is good.

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    #23955053 - 12/24/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My good friend went to school for ranch management, financial advising, business.  He has been in the cattle business his whole life since his family goes back generations in our area..they are in our countys history book for ranching, business, etc.  One day he was filling me in on the marketing and business of certified black Angus, grass fed, feed lots, etc, etc.  I don't remember all what he was saying but from what I got is beef marketing is not what it appears.  I'll ask him next time I talk to him..it should be soon.

I spend for better food that I don't harvest.  Wild hogs are a BIG problem down here. It's pretty easy to go out to a buddies ranch and mow em down.  They are tougher to clean than a deer, sometimes have an odor, and usually have mud caked to thier hide but the sows and small boars taste fine.  We spent a weekend smoking all kinds of jerky, beef, turkey, wild hog, and yellow fin tuna.  The tuna jerky I made was honest to God the best jerky I've ever ate.  I need to go catch somemore. The wild hog was pretty tasty as well better than any big name store bought scraps.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23955074 - 12/24/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Honestly, beef sold at virtually most shitty national supermarkets is going to be shitty and chewy and hard.

Always avoid beef from Shoprite and Food 4 Less. I tried buying beef a couple of times from these stores, and even if you buy a more expensive cut like rib eye or veal, it still tastes hard like shit!

I refuse to buy beef unless it's from Whole Foods or a good butcher anymore.




that hasnt been my experience and to be honest, whole foods is just higher priced
because they throw the organic branding, the place is a high end retailer of average
quality products and many very questionable ones such as their imported organic crap
and of course the shit like their infused water, the pre-peeled oranges in plastic
tubs that cost $3+ per orange




As somebody who used to work at Whole Foods while in college, I can tell you that a lot of the stuff is indeed overpriced, and some of the stuff they sell is even flat-out garbage.

Here's my list of stuff you should definitely stay away from: Their pre-made foods, especially their disgusting "Asian food" section. They charge $2.99 for a fucking eggroll :crankey: , and the damn shit isn't even made-from-scratch, they use frozen egg rolls from a pre-made box and deep-fry them! :crankey: You'd think for $2.99 a fucking egg roll they would have the decency to not be con artists and make your eggroll from scratch.

Their so-called "Asian food" is laughable, it's the same cheap shitty Chinese food like orange chicken that you can get from Panda Express or any other garbage fast food place. Not only that, but they charge $9.99 for noodle soup that has 3 pieces of tiny ass shrimp in it, and their soup isn't even made from scratch either, it's literally just a bouillon chicken package boiled with lemongrass and that's it.

Same with their soups, Whole Foods soups come from a plastic bag from another company. And while their soups DO taste really good, and I'm sure the company they buy them from makes them from scratch, customers don't just picture their soup being microwaved out of a plastic bag when they get soup to go.

Their infused waters, don't even get me started on those. Don't buy those, ever. Just make it yourself.

But, with that said, they have a lot of high-quality stuff too, and their beef is one of them. Their cheese and prosciutto section, is always always top-notch. And they always have a cheese expert on duty.

Their seafood, some products are hit and other products are miss. A lot of their seafood for example isn't even sashimi-grade. BUT, they have some pretty good stuff like whole, live sea urchin which they will also prepare for you in the back.

Their oysters and clams are also the same price as other less expensive competitors ($5.99/lb for New Zealand clams is actually a good deal, you won't find it much cheaper elsewhere in my area). Not only that, they will shuck the oysters and de-shell them for you in the back and give you a side of lemon and horseradish for free if you ask for it. So the seafood stand I strongly recommend from Whole Foods depending on what you get.

For ready-made food their BBQ stand is the best bang for its buck, if you go on a weekday they have a daily special, it's $5.99 for a side and an entree like spareribs or pulled pork sandwich or brisket, and it also comes with a roll.

Taco Tuesday is also a good deal at Whole Foods, you get 3 tacos for $2, and the tacos are pretty decent size too. That's another good deal. But everything else can go fuck itself.

It depends where you live too. Living in California, you can get produce that's just as good as Whole Foods from virtually anywhere else. But after having seen the atrocious withering and rotting produce section in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan, it's no wonder why Whole Foods became so insanely popular.

You have to watch out for monthly deals they have too. Every month they will have one insanely good deal, but you have to watch out for it, because usually only members or regular would be notified about it. Like for the whole month of August they were selling their coffee for 25 cents a cup. That was a good deal, and I'm not even a big coffee drinker, but I became one for that month.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Asante]
    #23955095 - 12/24/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The baggies are lined with perfluorooctanesulfonic acid,



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    #23955115 - 12/24/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oops my bad, I am just out of a heavy trip, yes you are right, I mixed them up.

Perfluoro-anything is not something you want to ingest, its impossible to metabolize and thus sticks around, like DDT and Mirex.


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    #23955123 - 12/24/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Shucking oysters sucks(wJen you have hundreds).  My buddy and I harvested ALOT the other year we shucked our ass off.  Next time I'm going to hit the shells hinge with my angle grinder then pop it open outta work nicely for those hard to open suckers


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23955252 - 12/24/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Shucking oysters sucks(wJen you have hundreds).  My buddy and I harvested ALOT the other year we shucked our ass off.  Next time I'm going to hit the shells hinge with my angle grinder then pop it open outta work nicely for those hard to open suckers




Yeah I've tried to do it at home myself a couple times, it's really time-consuming and if you don't have one of those protector gloves you could end up with lots of cuts and scrapes. I prefer to buy shellfish from Whole Foods now, since they'll shuck it for you in the back and give you a side of lemon and horseradish if you ask.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23955315 - 12/24/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I made the mistake of buying a little tub of Hormel Buffalo Chicken



It was only like $3 and I thought I could use if for sandwiches at work.  The chicken was disgusting though.  It made the meat they put on top of frozen pizzas seem gourmet by comparison.  It literally seemed more like rubber or soft silicone than meat.  I don't know how they screwed it up so bad, don't really want to know.




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    #23955319 - 12/24/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Microwavable meals. Canned food aisle. Some Chef Boyardee products, Barilla, Hormel.. Those things have over 1000mgs of sodium. Hormel is even worse with the highest of the three. Some are over 1400mg. Disgusting. The sad part is we sell alot of that stuff.


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    #23955490 - 12/24/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Shucking oysters sucks(wJen you have hundreds).  My buddy and I harvested ALOT the other year we shucked our ass off.  Next time I'm going to hit the shells hinge with my angle grinder then pop it open outta work nicely for those hard to open suckers




Yeah I've tried to do it at home myself a couple times, it's really time-consuming and if you don't have one of those protector gloves you could end up with lots of cuts and scrapes. I prefer to buy shellfish from Whole Foods now, since they'll shuck it for you in the back and give you a side of lemon and horseradish if you ask.




I dont blame you. Even with a leather glove it still hurts when you are forcing the oyster knife into a stubborn mollusk and it slips, stabbing yourself in the hand. I'd much rather fillet fish than clean oysters.  Carving big tuna or grouper is fun..at least to me.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: musiclover420]
    #23955537 - 12/25/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah the only beef I buy is generally organic and or free range preferably and its always absolutely delicious.

It's like 8$ a pound or something though so I don't get it too often. Honestly I try to eat less meat when I can.





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    #23955550 - 12/25/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but almost all good beef in general is going to cost around that, roughly $8/lb. At least for good quality steaks, I expect to pay between $8-$12 per lb for a cut like prime rib.

There's a YouTuber who compared an $8/lb steak to a dollar store steak, he ate it and got food poisoning from it after. :ilold:

The dollar store steak even has a different color, it looks more pink like pork or ham instead of beef.




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    #23955560 - 12/25/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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As somebody who used to work at Whole Foods while in college, I can tell you that a lot of the stuff is indeed overpriced, and some of the stuff they sell is even flat-out garbage.

Their infused waters, don't even get me started on those. Don't buy those, ever. Just make it yourself.





why? I mean soaking a hibiscus flower in water doesnt give you any health benefit
that water wouldnt, it may add to the flavor but the whole thing is a scam, eat
the fucking stuff you were going to infuse the water with and make some fucking
tea or something


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Same with their soups, Whole Foods soups come from a plastic bag from another company. And while their soups DO taste really good, and I'm sure the company they buy them from makes them from scratch, customers don't just picture their soup being microwaved out of a plastic bag when they get soup to go.






everything produced in large commercial kitchens are made from scratch, the A-1
sauce you probably wouldnt put on your steaks, made from scratch in a factory
but they do it in huge volumes

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But, with that said, they have a lot of high-quality stuff too, and their beef is one of them. Their cheese and prosciutto section, is always always top-notch. And they always have a cheese expert on duty.

Their seafood, some products are hit and other products are miss. A lot of their seafood for example isn't even sashimi-grade. BUT, they have some pretty good stuff like whole, live sea urchin which they will also prepare for you in the back.




you get the same at any other decent grocery store that isnt posing as a discount
place but you arent forced into feeling guilty for not being a super pretentious
hipster soccer mom


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Their oysters and clams are also the same price as other less expensive competitors ($5.99/lb for New Zealand clams is actually a good deal, you won't find it much cheaper elsewhere in my area). Not only that, they will shuck the oysters and de-shell them for you in the back and give you a side of lemon and horseradish for free if you ask for it. So the seafood stand I strongly recommend from Whole Foods depending on what you get.




in north georgia seafood is expensive as fuck if it's fresh, frozen is still
pricey  but not as bad, I wont buy anything but shellfish out of the seafood
case in my area, I will ask them to get me what they have in the back, I do it
with the meats as well. all that shit came in frozen, they thawed it, sliced it
and put it on display and for that they want to mark it up by $3-$5/lb, I just
purchased a whole bone in prime rib to throw on the grill in the morning, 17lbs
of pretty and tasty beef. I purchase whole tuna loins, cut them to steaks and vac seal them and use as needed



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For ready-made food their BBQ stand is the best bang for its buck, if you go on a weekday they have a daily special, it's $5.99 for a side and an entree like spareribs or pulled pork sandwich or brisket, and it also comes with a roll.





I've rarely ever found Barbecue that I like outside of what I cook



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Taco Tuesday is also a good deal at Whole Foods, you get 3 tacos for $2, and the tacos are pretty decent size too. That's another good deal. But everything else can go fuck itself.




I dont live in california, we dont have enough mexicans to even staff a chipotle
so we're stuck with the retarded bastard cousin, Moe's or we do what I do and
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    #23955569 - 12/25/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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why? I mean soaking a hibiscus flower in water doesnt give you any health benefit
that water wouldnt, it may add to the flavor but the whole thing is a scam, eat
the fucking stuff you were going to infuse the water with and make some fucking
tea or something




I always thought infused water was just for flavor. I prefer smoothies or teas myself.

Hell, if you go to any restaurant that has a bar, they usually have orange and cucumber slices, you can just ask them to make infused water for you and they'll usually do it no charge.

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you get the same at any other decent grocery store that isnt posing as a discount
place but you arent forced into feeling guilty for not being a super pretentious
hipster soccer mom




It's not quite the same... some of the brands of cheese are the same, but a lot of cheeses that you find at Whole Foods are a completely different quality that other grocery stores don't even come close to. Same with the prosciutto. The prosciutto sold at grocery stores is usually already pre-sliced and sold in packages, but at Whole Foods they have the whole leg of prosciutto that they shave in front of you.

I've found similar legs of prosciutto and salami sold at delis and grocery stores, but the quality and flavor is never quite as good as Whole Foods. There are some things they indisputably do better, and their cheese and prosciutto section is one I will always swear by.

Not only that, but Whole Foods cheese is not that much more expensive than other grocery store cheese, especially when you consider the quality difference.

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in north georgia seafood is expensive as fuck if it's fresh, frozen is still
pricey  but not as bad, I wont buy anything but shellfish out of the seafood
case in my area, I will ask them to get me what they have in the back, I do it
with the meats as well. all that shit came in frozen, they thawed it, sliced it
and put it on display and for that they want to mark it up by $3-$5/lb, I just
purchased a whole bone in prime rib to throw on the grill in the morning, 17lbs
of pretty and tasty beef. I purchase whole tuna loins, cut them to steaks and vac seal them and use as needed




Yeah, seafood is one of those things you really want fresh and live if possible. I've bought frozen clams and squid and stuff a couple of times, but it's always tough and disappointing.

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I've rarely ever found Barbecue that I like outside of what I cook




I bet.... we don't have good BBQ in California, so I was just impressed that Whole Foods actually makes their BBQ sauce from scratch.

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I dont live in california, we dont have enough mexicans to even staff a chipotle
so we're stuck with the retarded bastard cousin, Moe's or we do what I do and
actually go to a taqueria where 2 tacos will fill me for $3




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    #23955576 - 12/25/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That $1 steak on the grill. Oh yeah that shit is out of bounds delicious looking.

I need to feed my deep freezer full of venison, tuna, wahoo to my German Shep and sell my vacuum sealer to stock up on those $1 steaks. They are already sealed with the flavor locked in. Win win


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    #23955588 - 12/25/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah but almost all good beef in general is going to cost around that, roughly $8/lb. At least for good quality steaks, I expect to pay between $8-$12 per lb for a cut like prime rib.




I just spent $6/lb for prime rib

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There's a YouTuber who compared an $8/lb steak to a dollar store steak, he ate it and got food poisoning from it after. :ilold:




I saw the video, it's horse shit. if he got sick from them it was because of poor
handling on his or the store's part or he's jus5t full of shit, the meat is just
standard or select beef which is a couple of grades lower than what you buy in a
regular store, usually packed with bromelain or other tenderizer. the dollar store
meats are edible but lower grade and thinner cut, you actually spend as much for
it as you would for meat at a publix but because you're buying a 3oz steak instead
of a 12-16oz you dont notice the price difference until you do the math

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The dollar store steak even has a different color, it looks more pink like pork or ham instead of beef.





not all are the same, my mother bought a couple of them and they have resided in
the freezer even though I have about 40lbs of strip, sirloin and ribeye. the
dollar store stuff is like most individually wrapped pieces of fish, they're
packed in water and tenderizers which 'bleaches' them, it's part of why most of
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    #23955592 - 12/25/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Jars of curry sauce, I figured they were worth a shot but they werent.


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    #23955595 - 12/25/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I just spent $6/lb for prime rib




You said it was like 14lbs or something, right? Yeah in that case, that makes sense. You're buying bulk basically, by buying that much, so it's a little cheaper than what you would have paid for 1 or 2 individual steaks.

$6/lb for 14lbs of prime rib is pretty good quality steak, I'm sure if you bought a single 1lb steak of the exact same stuff it would have been $9-$12/lb.

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not all are the same, my mother bought a couple of them and they have resided in
the freezer even though I have about 40lbs of strip, sirloin and ribeye. the
dollar store stuff is like most individually wrapped pieces of fish, they're
packed in water and tenderizers which 'bleaches' them, it's part of why most of
salmon have color added. it also kills the cook-ability of the meats




Why did the dollar store meat shrivel up and shrink so much?

I don't think we have Publix out here... but have you ever tried a Food 4 Less ribeye? If you have you would know just how disgusting chain grocery store beef can be.

IME Costco has really good quality beef, I'll vouch for Costco. I've had excellent prime rib and filet mignon from them.


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    #23955597 - 12/25/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Publix is like Vons or Safeway


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    #23955599 - 12/25/16 01:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Jars of curry sauce, I figured they were worth a shot but they werent.




I've tried those jars of curry sauce too, doesn't matter which one you buy they are never good.

I ended up just going to the Asian market and buying Thai green curry paste or powder instead. Just mix it yourself with coconut milk and salt and season to your tastes and it's really that simple.

This is a pretty standard brand that's sold in any Chinese or Asian market.



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    #23955601 - 12/25/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Publix is like Vons or Safeway




That's actually pretty decent then. I've never been to Safeway, but I've gotten sashimi grade ahi tuna steaks from Vons so I know they have good quality stuff.


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    #23955604 - 12/25/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah those stores are a good balance in quality and value, in contrast to whole foods or a dollar store.

I might try something like that curry powder, its pretty often that I dont have funds for all the seasonings to make something myself, it pays to have a backup plan


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    #23955611 - 12/25/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I might try something like that curry powder, its pretty often that I dont have funds for all the seasonings to make something myself, it pays to have a backup plan




Honestly for Thai curry I've tried to find a recipe that doesn't use that curry paste and makes everything from scratch, and it would take you like a week just to procure all the ingredients. There were like 50 different ingredients, and so many of the herbs were so obscure and weren't native to or sold in America. It would be almost impossible to find all the ingredients at the same time to make it completely from scratch.

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    #23955613 - 12/25/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I might try something like that curry powder, its pretty often that I dont have funds for all the seasonings to make something myself, it pays to have a backup plan




Also, regarding seasonings, do you have a Mother's market or Sprout's market by you?

That place is the best place to get seasonings... instead of selling individually packaged containers of seasoning for $5 a piece, they sell seasoning by the pound, and you scoop out as much seasoning as you want into a plastic baggie and weigh it out and pay individually. And it's wayyyyy cheaper than buying pre-packaged seasoning.

The prices are great too, for $5 I've gotten 8 different seasonings enough to last me over 2+ years.

You could also just buy a spice rack, you can get a 12-pack of spices for $15 from a place like Walmart or Target.

Here's a 16-jar spice rack, $18 from Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/ip/36591519?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227024719917&wl0=&wl1=s&wl2=c&wl3=40343773472&wl4=pla-78307788752&wl5=9031545&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=36591519&wl13=&veh=sem


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    #23955615 - 12/25/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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why? I mean soaking a hibiscus flower in water doesnt give you any health benefit
that water wouldnt, it may add to the flavor but the whole thing is a scam, eat
the fucking stuff you were going to infuse the water with and make some fucking
tea or something




I always thought infused water was just for flavor. I prefer smoothies or teas myself.





there's a whole cult of whole foods shoppers that believe in essential oils and
holistic medicine and while foods is more than happy to prey on the brain damaged
morons that are willing to spend money on that shit

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Hell, if you go to any restaurant that has a bar, they usually have orange and cucumber slices, you can just ask them to make infused water for you and they'll usually do it no charge.




yeah, you can get the same thing from low end restaurants if they have the ingredients, most in the south will have lemon but if you believe dropping
a few slices of fruit and some mint leaves into water actually infuses
anything into the water then you deserve to spend $^ on the asparagus water.
you will need to muddle or squeeze these things to even get some flavor

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you get the same at any other decent grocery store that isnt posing as a discount
place but you arent forced into feeling guilty for not being a super pretentious
hipster soccer mom




It's not quite the same... some of the brands of cheese are the same, but a lot of cheeses that you find at Whole Foods are a completely different quality that other grocery stores don't even come close to. Same with the prosciutto. The prosciutto sold at grocery stores is usually already pre-sliced and sold in packages, but at Whole Foods they have the whole leg of prosciutto that they shave in front of you.




we get the same here, not with the prosciutto because we dont have enough hipsters
to warrant them spending that kind of money but of the 2 large stores in the next town, both has a pretty impressive cheese selection and people with a lot of knowledge


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I've found similar legs of prosciutto and salami sold at delis and grocery stores, but the quality and flavor is never quite as good as Whole Foods. There are some things they indisputably do better, and their cheese and prosciutto section is one I will always swear by.




blind taste test, that's the only way to go. 

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Not only that, but Whole Foods cheese is not that much more expensive than other grocery store cheese, especially when you consider the quality difference.





if you're comparing sargento and laughing cow to what's at the cheese counter then
I have bad news for you, there's a huge difference in quality, if you're comparing
cheeses from the cheese counter at different stores, you'll see the quality is
similar if not the same but there's usually a price difference

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Yeah, seafood is one of those things you really want fresh and live if possible. I've bought frozen clams and squid and stuff a couple of times, but it's always tough and disappointing.




shellfish can handle travel under refrigeration pretty well so I have no issues
with buying it out here, if I want fresh seafood I have to go to atlanta, I'm
willing to accept frozen with some items but not a lot

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I dont live in california, we dont have enough mexicans to even staff a chipotle
so we're stuck with the retarded bastard cousin, Moe's or we do what I do and
actually go to a taqueria where 2 tacos will fill me for $3




haahhahahhha retarded bastard cousin Moe's




I have eaten there one time. I've never eaten at a chipotle and I wont ever do so,
not even out of desperation. yes, moe's is chipotle and cafeteria mexxican just
isnt for me. I dont like it, nope, not one bit



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    #23955628 - 12/25/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

https://www.myspicesage.com/spices-seasonings-herbs/rare-spices-71.html

I've ordered alot of spices easily over $100 worth from this place.  90% of what I ordered I did not know what it was or bother to google it.  My girl friend has all sorts of spices to make whatever she wants.  They also have furmic acid at a great price.


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    #23955638 - 12/25/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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we get the same here, not with the prosciutto because we dont have enough hipsters
to warrant them spending that kind of money but of the 2 large stores in the next town, both has a pretty impressive cheese selection and people with a lot of knowledge

if you're comparing sargento and laughing cow to what's at the cheese counter then
I have bad news for you, there's a huge difference in quality, if you're comparing
cheeses from the cheese counter at different stores, you'll see the quality is
similar if not the same but there's usually a price difference




The stuff sold at the cheese counter is similar in quality especially lately in the past years, American supermarkets have improved their quality of foods a lot.

But at Whole Foods I was able to find for example, this raw, unpasteurized cheese that you wouldn't be able to find at a normal grocery store.

Again, $9.99 for a 6 inch block of cheese is not that bad of a price, even at Shoprite which is a low-budget, not even expensive grocery store sells the same amount of goat cheese for $7 or so. Good cheese is always expensive no matter where you go, hence why it's the most commonly shoplifted food item in the USA.




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blind taste test, that's the only way to go.




I can tell the difference. I sometimes buy prosciutto from Costco, and the Costco prosciutto is even a different color. The Whole Foods prosciutto is much darker pink, and it is saltier and has more flavor.


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I have eaten there one time. I've never eaten at a chipotle and I wont ever do so,
not even out of desperation. yes, moe's is chipotle and cafeteria mexxican just
isnt for me. I dont like it, nope, not one bit




Chipotle is not real Mexican anyway, we have much better and cheaper places out here that aren't overpriced where you can eat to your heart's desire and get full off $3 or $4 worth of food. Pretty much any hole in the wall Mexican place in California is probably going to be better than Chipotle and will have 59 cent Taco Tuesdays.


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    #23955650 - 12/25/16 02:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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https://www.myspicesage.com/spices-seasonings-herbs/rare-spices-71.html

I've ordered alot of spices easily over $100 worth from this place.  90% of what I ordered I did not know what it was or bother to google it.  My girl friend has all sorts of spices to make whatever she wants.  They also have furmic acid at a great price.





I dont see how they have anything at a great price, an ounce of 'infused salt' for
$6-$12 and turmeric, fresh, is around $5/lb here but they sell it for $23/lb

you should probably google that stuff, much if it is easy to make such as infused
salts, some you can grow like the scorpion peppers and a lot of it is a lot cheaper
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    #23955657 - 12/25/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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https://www.myspicesage.com/spices-seasonings-herbs/rare-spices-71.html

I've ordered alot of spices easily over $100 worth from this place.  90% of what I ordered I did not know what it was or bother to google it.  My girl friend has all sorts of spices to make whatever she wants.  They also have furmic acid at a great price.





I dont see how they have anything at a great price, an ounce of 'infused salt' for
$6-$12 and turmeric, fresh, is around $5/lb here but they sell it for $23/lb

you should probably google that stuff, much if it is easy to make such as infused
salts, some you can grow like the scorpion peppers and a lot of it is a lot cheaper
everywhere




Never claimed great prices. I was well aware I could probably find better deals but I needed the furmic and went on a spending spree for the girlfriend.  Peppers are easy I grow more than I need and give most of them away at work.  Already made infused salts, sugars, and extracts.  You know all those tuna loins you buy and freeze you can catch them yourself. If you split up the trip costs with friends it comes out alot cheaper per pound...just sayin. I brought home hundreds of pounds of tuna meat from 1 trip.


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    #23955658 - 12/25/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I might try something like that curry powder, its pretty often that I dont have funds for all the seasonings to make something myself, it pays to have a backup plan




Honestly for Thai curry I've tried to find a recipe that doesn't use that curry paste and makes everything from scratch, and it would take you like a week just to procure all the ingredients. There were like 50 different ingredients, and so many of the herbs were so obscure and weren't native to or sold in America. It would be almost impossible to find all the ingredients at the same time to make it completely from scratch.

Bet you anything those Thai restaurants that serve curry use a similar curry paste.



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I might try something like that curry powder, its pretty often that I dont have funds for all the seasonings to make something myself, it pays to have a backup plan




Also, regarding seasonings, do you have a Mother's market or Sprout's market by you?

That place is the best place to get seasonings... instead of selling individually packaged containers of seasoning for $5 a piece, they sell seasoning by the pound, and you scoop out as much seasoning as you want into a plastic baggie and weigh it out and pay individually. And it's wayyyyy cheaper than buying pre-packaged seasoning.

The prices are great too, for $5 I've gotten 8 different seasonings enough to last me over 2+ years.

You could also just buy a spice rack, you can get a 12-pack of spices for $15 from a place like Walmart or Target.

Here's a 16-jar spice rack, $18 from Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/ip/36591519?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227024719917&wl0=&wl1=s&wl2=c&wl3=40343773472&wl4=pla-78307788752&wl5=9031545&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=36591519&wl13=&veh=sem




Yeah I wouldnt be surprised if they used pastes like that, half the restaurants Ive worked at use microwaves too, so premixed curry is definitely not out of the question. Usually I skip a lot of ingredients in recipes already though, so either way is fine.

Shoot, finding cheap bulk seasonings would be nice, Im usually pressed to even find what Im looking for. They dont sell tumeric or tahini in store I frequent atm.


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    #23955668 - 12/25/16 02:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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But at Whole Foods I was able to find for example, this raw, unpasteurized cheese that you wouldn't be able to find at a normal grocery store.




maybe. I havent looked for it specifically but we may have different views on what
a normal grocery store is, in my town we have a mom and pop place they do package
cheese like sargento and kraft, the next town up we have a couple of large chain
groceries that both carry an extensive line, they carry the same shit as everyone
else but they also have a cheese counter in which they sell craft cheeses


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Again, $9.99 for a 6 inch block of cheese is not that bad of a price, even at Shoprite which is a low-budget, not even expensive grocery store sells the same amount of goat cheese for $7 or so.




I dont buy foods by the inch, I buy based on weight, they cost of that cheese
according to that label is $32/lb, you got a little more than 4 ounces of cheese
for $10, now I can get a full pound of individually wrapped kraft singles for
around $4 at sav-a-ton

that's what you just tried to do, compare a premium specialty store to a discount
store that sells bulk bologna or maybe you were trying to compare mass produced
feta to a hand made craft cheese, either way you wont be guying premium, specialty
cheeses at discount places because they arent trying to cater to a refined palate,
they're trying to move the 5lb block of velveta for $8




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blind taste test, that's the only way to go.




I can tell the difference. I sometimes buy prosciutto from Costco, and the Costco prosciutto is even a different color. The Whole Foods prosciutto is much darker pink, and it is saltier and has more flavor.




people claim to be able to tell the difference between organic and conventional
produce and swear a piece cut from the same piece of fruit tastes different,
prosciutto, iberico, serano, all of these will actually vary in flavor from ham to
ham, two legs of prosciutto sold by the same farm will have different flavors if
they didnt come from the same pig, changes in diet, seasons, weather conditions
and drying times all affect the flavors so you're certainly going to taste a
difference between products carried at different stores, even within the same ham
you'll find that there are differences in flavor and color as you move to
different areas


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Chipotle is not real Mexican anyway





what I've been trying to point out is that chipotle isnt even food


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    #23955672 - 12/25/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Peppers are easy I grow more than I need and give most of them away at work.  Already made infused salts, sugars, and extracts.  You know all those tuna loins you buy and freeze you can catch them yourself. If you split up the trip costs with friends it comes out alot cheaper per pound...just sayin. I brought home hundreds of pounds of tuna meat from 1 trip.





my issue is time, I dont have the time to hit the ocean, charter a boat, go fishing
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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23955673 - 12/25/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont buy foods by the inch, I buy based on weight, they cost of that cheese
according to that label is $32/lb, you got a little more than 4 ounces of cheese
for $10, now I can get a full pound of individually wrapped kraft singles for
around $4 at sav-a-ton

that's what you just tried to do, compare a premium specialty store to a discount
store that sells bulk bologna or maybe you were trying to compare mass produced
feta to a hand made craft cheese, either way you wont be guying premium, specialty
cheeses at discount places because they arent trying to cater to a refined palate,
they're trying to move the 5lb block of velveta for $8




I was actually comparing one of these goat cheese logs you would find at any decent supermarket (which is a pretty good block of cheese, nothing like Kraft) to the Whole Foods price, and even 4oz of this cheese goes for $6.99 at supermarkets.




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people claim to be able to tell the difference between organic and conventional
produce and swear a piece cut from the same piece of fruit tastes different,
prosciutto, iberico, serano, all of these will actually vary in flavor from ham to
ham, two legs of prosciutto sold by the same farm will have different flavors if
they didnt come from the same pig, changes in diet, seasons, weather conditions
and drying times all affect the flavors so you're certainly going to taste a
difference between products carried at different stores, even within the same ham
you'll find that there are differences in flavor and color as you move to
different areas




Look, I will admit I can't tell the difference between organic produce and GMO produce. I can't tell the difference between cage-free eggs and factory farm eggs. I can only tell the difference if the eggs come from a neighbor's chickens. But the prosciutto, I can tell the difference, because whoever supplies Whole Foods with their prosciutto probably uses a different salt ratio and formula for the brining process.

Also I can imagine that whoever supplies Costco with their prosciutto probably uses machines for the entire aging process and for precision, hence why the taste and color always come out the same every single time.


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what I've been trying to point out is that chipotle isnt even food




Haha right... isn't Chipotle owned by the same company as Burger King?


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23955675 - 12/25/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I might try something like that curry powder, its pretty often that I dont have funds for all the seasonings to make something myself, it pays to have a backup plan




Honestly for Thai curry I've tried to find a recipe that doesn't use that curry paste and makes everything from scratch, and it would take you like a week just to procure all the ingredients. There were like 50 different ingredients, and so many of the herbs were so obscure and weren't native to or sold in America. It would be almost impossible to find all the ingredients at the same time to make it completely from scratch.

Bet you anything those Thai restaurants that serve curry use a similar curry paste.



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I might try something like that curry powder, its pretty often that I dont have funds for all the seasonings to make something myself, it pays to have a backup plan




Also, regarding seasonings, do you have a Mother's market or Sprout's market by you?

That place is the best place to get seasonings... instead of selling individually packaged containers of seasoning for $5 a piece, they sell seasoning by the pound, and you scoop out as much seasoning as you want into a plastic baggie and weigh it out and pay individually. And it's wayyyyy cheaper than buying pre-packaged seasoning.

The prices are great too, for $5 I've gotten 8 different seasonings enough to last me over 2+ years.

You could also just buy a spice rack, you can get a 12-pack of spices for $15 from a place like Walmart or Target.

Here's a 16-jar spice rack, $18 from Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/ip/36591519?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227024719917&wl0=&wl1=s&wl2=c&wl3=40343773472&wl4=pla-78307788752&wl5=9031545&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=36591519&wl13=&veh=sem




Yeah I wouldnt be surprised if they used pastes like that, half the restaurants Ive worked at use microwaves too, so premixed curry is definitely not out of the question. Usually I skip a lot of ingredients in recipes already though, so either way is fine.

Shoot, finding cheap bulk seasonings would be nice, Im usually pressed to even find what Im looking for. They dont sell tumeric or tahini in store I frequent atm.




Buying curry spices is like buying rice; they last a long time.

Things like coriander seeds and cumin seeds are the ones that would need to be most often replaced but even then, it's every few months.

Cardamom, cloves, peppercorns, all spice and fenugreek last years.

For these things the Asian store is best.

I could do with a curry now.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23955677 - 12/25/16 03:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Never claimed great prices. I was well aware I could probably find better deals but I needed the furmic and went on a spending spree for the girlfriend.  Peppers are easy I grow more than I need and give most of them away at work.  Already made infused salts, sugars, and extracts.  You know all those tuna loins you buy and freeze you can catch them yourself. If you split up the trip costs with friends it comes out alot cheaper per pound...just sayin. I brought home hundreds of pounds of tuna meat from 1 trip.




Hmmmm, I always see Groupon deals for deep sea fishing trips for $30 per person or so... you've convinced me to go out and consider checking this out. :strokebeard: Too bad I don't have any fishing equipment or gear. I don't even know what to buy or what to get.

I knew a fisherman who would catch salmon and yellowtail all the time, he said he threw away the belly and the head though. :facepalm: I scolded him, that the belly is the best part because that's where all the fat is. And the cheeks are also the most coveted part among the Japanese, you grill them and eat around the cheekbone, the meat is very succulent around that area.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23955678 - 12/25/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Don't forget to dry fry those cumin and coriander seeds in the pan until they're fragrant before setting aside to be pulverised.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23955681 - 12/25/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thats interesting, I didnt know any of that, although my experience as a cook is pretty limited, especially in curries. Which is ironic having worked in a dozen restaurants, but it depends on the chef and sometimes they do the more interesting prep themselves :lol:


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23955685 - 12/25/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont buy foods by the inch, I buy based on weight, they cost of that cheese
according to that label is $32/lb, you got a little more than 4 ounces of cheese
for $10, now I can get a full pound of individually wrapped kraft singles for
around $4 at sav-a-ton

that's what you just tried to do, compare a premium specialty store to a discount
store that sells bulk bologna or maybe you were trying to compare mass produced
feta to a hand made craft cheese, either way you wont be guying premium, specialty
cheeses at discount places because they arent trying to cater to a refined palate,
they're trying to move the 5lb block of velveta for $8




I was actually comparing one of these goat cheese logs you would find at any decent supermarket (which is a pretty good block of cheese, nothing like Kraft) to the Whole Foods price, and even 4oz of this cheese goes for $6.99 at supermarkets.






you're still comparing apples to oranges, sure, both are goat's milk cheeses but
they're entirely different cheeses and will have different flavor, consistency
and quality


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Look, I will admit I can't tell the difference between organic produce and GMO produce. I can't tell the difference between cage-free eggs and factory farm eggs. I can only tell the difference if the eggs come from a neighbor's chickens. But the prosciutto, I can tell the difference, because whoever supplies Whole Foods with their prosciutto probably uses a different salt ratio and formula for the brining process.

Also I can imagine that whoever supplies Costco with their prosciutto probably uses machines for the entire aging process and for precision, hence why the taste and color always come out the same every single time.




color could be in a curing process or in the drying process, as I already stated,
you'll see color variation in different muscles as well, just like with white and
dark meat on chickens


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23955698 - 12/25/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Thats interesting, I didnt know any of that, although my experience as a cook is pretty limited, especially in curries. Which is ironic having worked in a dozen restaurants, but it depends on the chef and sometimes they do the more interesting prep themselves :lol:




Just buy cumin powder if you want a really basic Indian curry taste. Cumin powder and soy sauce mixed together in sautéed rice, and the rice already imparts a very curry-like flavor based off just that alone.

You can feel free to add things like coriander and turmeric and cayenne and plain, unsweetened yogurt if you want, but this is optional. Cumin and soy sauce is all you need for the base of a simple Indian style curry, everything else you add to it are your own preferences.

Thai curry flavor is a bit more complex and complicated though, so for that one I recommend getting the Thai curry paste I recommended.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23955716 - 12/25/16 04:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well I certainly use a lot of cumin, tumeric and the like. Its the details idk and individual recipes like korma vs vindaloo, tikka masala, jalfrezi etc

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23955746 - 12/25/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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you're still comparing apples to oranges, sure, both are goat's milk cheeses but
they're entirely different cheeses and will have different flavor, consistency
and quality




Yes, that's true, it's not an exact comparison, but both are very good-quality cheeses and roughly the same weight, and the Whole Foods one still isn't that much more expensive. If anything the goat cheese packaged brand is mass-produced to a much larger quality than the herve mons ovalie cheese.

Hence my point about Whole Foods cheese still being worth it. Whole Foods charges outrageous prices for a lot of things, but their cheese is actually one of the things that's pretty fairly priced.

Take this picture for instance, their manchego section, you can see to the right of the sign, that slice of cheese says it's $4.60. Well $4.60 for a block of cheese that size isn't that outrageous, that's roughly around the same price you'd pay for that amount of craft cheese in any other grocer:

http://www.thehoopsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/whole-foods-hoops.jpg


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23955765 - 12/25/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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As somebody who used to work at Whole Foods while in college, I can tell you that a lot of the stuff is indeed overpriced, and some of the stuff they sell is even flat-out garbage.

Their infused waters, don't even get me started on those. Don't buy those, ever. Just make it yourself.





why? I mean soaking a hibiscus flower in water doesnt give you any health benefit
that water wouldnt, it may add to the flavor but the whole thing is a scam, eat
the fucking stuff you were going to infuse the water with and make some fucking
tea or something









I never bought into the hype with such things.

I am kind of boring when I eat, meaning I eat to fuel myself, having proper fuel is my number one concern, flavor comes second, probably why I abstained from infused waters, I would rather just buy regular water and drink that.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23955789 - 12/25/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Thats interesting, I didnt know any of that, although my experience as a cook is pretty limited, especially in curries. Which is ironic having worked in a dozen restaurants, but it depends on the chef and sometimes they do the more interesting prep themselves :lol:




Just buy cumin powder if you want a really basic Indian curry taste. Cumin powder and soy sauce mixed together in sautéed rice, and the rice already imparts a very curry-like flavor based off just that alone.

You can feel free to add things like coriander and turmeric and cayenne and plain, unsweetened yogurt if you want, but this is optional. Cumin and soy sauce is all you need for the base of a simple Indian style curry, everything else you add to it are your own preferences.

Thai curry flavor is a bit more complex and complicated though, so for that one I recommend getting the Thai curry paste I recommended.




I don't think soy sauce is used in Indian curries.

There is also a bit more involved that buying ground cumin powder(which I wouldn't recommend btw).

Just like adding oregano/thyme doesn't suddenly make an an Italian sauce or whatever.

I am a fan of curry pastes, though.

Tons of onion, garlic, and ginger.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23955824 - 12/25/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't really call it anything close to authentic curry, but the soy sauce + cumin powder mix tastes similar to a rendition of curry. It's the most similar to being a curry without actually being a curry, and it's simple.

You know what it reminds me of, is it reminds me of a Japanese rendition of Indian curry.

Why wouldn't you recommend ground cumin powder though? It's easy and less hassle, and there's tons of flavor even in the ground stuff.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23955934 - 12/25/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's true but I've found it doesn't keep its original flavour for too long, just like if you were to buy more ground weed than you can smoke in a day or two.

Same for ground coriander seeds.

I mean for a couple of curries it's fine but having seeds and only dry frying and grinding what you need makes more sense.

It's cheaper too.

The scent after grinding is also part of the parcel.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23956104 - 12/25/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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you're still comparing apples to oranges, sure, both are goat's milk cheeses but
they're entirely different cheeses and will have different flavor, consistency
and quality




Yes, that's true, it's not an exact comparison, but both are very good-quality cheeses and roughly the same weight, and the Whole Foods one still isn't that much more expensive. If anything the goat cheese packaged brand is mass-produced to a much larger quality than the herve mons ovalie cheese.

Hence my point about Whole Foods cheese still being worth it. Whole Foods charges outrageous prices for a lot of things, but their cheese is actually one of the things that's pretty fairly priced.





the rule of thumb I live by is if I want it and I enjoy it, then it's worth it,
that cheese is still $32 a pound, Limburger is a similar price but it tastes of
old urine so it's not worth it and it does not make a good grilled cheese

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Take this picture for instance, their manchego section, you can see to the right of the sign, that slice of cheese says it's $4.60. Well $4.60 for a block of cheese that size isn't that outrageous, that's roughly around the same price you'd pay for that amount of craft cheese in any other grocer:

http://www.thehoopsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/whole-foods-hoops.jpg





if it's an ounce of cheese, it's a pretty hefty price at $4.60 because that makes
it more than $70/lb., if it's a 4oz wedge then that makes it less than $20/lb and
that's much nicer to my wallet. when you're comparing raw prices it really doesnt
tell you what you're spending or if you're paying similar prices to other places,
kroger has a decent selection, they may not have oval cheese from french goats but
I have the option of the boars head at the deli for the same price as the craft
cheese at the cheese counter or I can go with the higher end cheeses and still not
be paying $30/lbs for the majority of cheeses







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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23956439 - 12/25/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The $4.60 cheese appears to be around 3 to 3.5oz of cheese from what I can see. Which is not a bad price for Spanish manchego, I've purchased 8oz of manchego for $7.99 from Albertson's before. So even in other shops that carry the same cheese, it's similar in price to Whole Foods.

Even at Shoprite, which is a tier lower and cheaper than Albertson's has 6oz of Boar's Head manchego listed at $7.99/lb. So, the Whole Foods listed price for that cheese is actually not a bad deal in retrospect: http://www.shoprite.com/pd/Boars-Head/Manchego-Cheese/6-oz/042421151640/

I will say this picture though, the types of cheeses shown in here are cheaper cheeses... Jarlsberg and Swiss for example are specifically cheeses that are recommended to be used in fondues for instance, so they run on the cheaper side... aged provolone on the bottom right in the picture is a little more expensive at $14.99 per lb, and Vecchio at $15.99/lb

Anyway, the main reason that herve mons ovalie cheese is so much more expensive, is because A) the milk is completely raw and unpasteurized, and B) that cheese specifically has to be imported from France.



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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23956505 - 12/25/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyway, the main reason that herve mons ovalie cheese is so much more expensive, is because A) the milk is completely raw and unpasteurized, and B) that cheese specifically has to be imported from France.





given that herve mons is in france it stands to reason that it gets imported from france


raw milk doesnt make a cheese more expensive, that's the hipster in you slipping
out. the source of the milk will add to it's cost such as goats and sheep milk or
horse milk, the aging, aging takes up space, it requires skilled, trained labor to
make and check the cheeses, all of these things add to the cost but I'm going to
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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23957522 - 12/25/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

idk but anyone else hate tomato soup ?

i hate tomato soup


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23957652 - 12/26/16 03:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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given that herve mons is in france it stands to reason that it gets imported from france

raw milk doesnt make a cheese more expensive, that's the hipster in you slipping
out. the source of the milk will add to it's cost such as goats and sheep milk or
horse milk, the aging, aging takes up space, it requires skilled, trained labor to
make and check the cheeses, all of these things add to the cost but I'm going to
blame it on greedy capitalist cheese makers trying to make some cheese off their
cheese. cheese should be a right




I assumed that raw milk would be more expensive because they probably have to take more time to sterilize the buckets and nipple udders and machines frequently, and they probably also have to store the milk at lower temperatures which all adds up to the cost. I could be wrong though.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23957770 - 12/26/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

sanitation remains the same for all dairy, it's all sterilized after each
use because it's always raw milk coming out of the teats, they cant milk
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    #23957787 - 12/26/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cheese (all dairy actually) is super fucked up when you think about all the processes involved in getting the finished block to you. Shits gross as hell, should be avoided.

Bacon was recently rated just as carcinogenic as tobacco in a study by the world health organization. So that's best avoided too.

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    #23957815 - 12/26/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Cheese (all dairy actually) is super fucked up when you think about all the processes involved in getting the finished block to you. Shits gross as hell, should be avoided.





it's not that gross and not nearly as fucked up as you seem to believe

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Bacon was recently rated just as carcinogenic as tobacco in a study by the world health organization. So that's best avoided too.

http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/bacon-causes-cancer




of course some vegan fraudsters would try and push that. the group that pushes
this crap about the various things causing cancer is corrupt, they're the IARC,
a part of the WHO and they invite industry insiders in the vote on what causes
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    #23957828 - 12/26/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Whatever you say bro. You obviously have done studies of your own to back up what you're saying I don't know why I even looked elsewhere for science when I could have just asked for your opinion.


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    #23957891 - 12/26/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I literally have never cared about something being "preserved" or "processed" ever. If it tastes good, eat it. And try to eat healthy. People struggle eating a healthy diet but it's just so simple


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    #23957935 - 12/26/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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    #23958103 - 12/26/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #23958179 - 12/26/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I literally have never cared



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    #23958354 - 12/26/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i find cheesecake nasty


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23958375 - 12/26/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Let's get this back on topic.



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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23958379 - 12/26/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Let's get this back on topic.



Avoid.



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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #23958384 - 12/26/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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idk but anyone else hate tomato soup ?

i hate tomato soup




I never could stand the stuff, at least plain tomato soup especially with nasty grilled cheese :eek:

Some soups that incorporate tomatoes like minestrone are pretty good though.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: musiclover420]
    #23958582 - 12/26/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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idk but anyone else hate tomato soup ?

i hate tomato soup




I never could stand the stuff, at least plain tomato soup especially with nasty grilled cheese :eek:

Some soups that incorporate tomatoes like minestrone are pretty good though.




I'm not a fan of tomato soup either, never have been. Which is weird though cause I like tomato sauce.

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: musiclover420]
    #23958587 - 12/26/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Tomato soup with grilled cheese is awesome, I love it. Hell I might eat that for dinner.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #23958597 - 12/26/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Tomato soup with grilled cheese is awesome, I love it. Hell I might eat that for dinner.




I probably just always had cheap stuff :puke:


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: musiclover420]
    #23958604 - 12/26/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm about to eat campbells tomato soup. A nice homemade tomato soup is far better but I still don't mind campbells or other major brand's tomato soups.

Must just have different tastes, I'm surprised 3 people here already don't like tomato soup though. Maybe I'm the odd one out, I realize my gf and son also don't like it lol.

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #23958631 - 12/26/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I used to go to a summercamp as a kid where I was the tomato soup minority :lol: we regularly had it for lunch and everyone loved it but me.

They used super cheap/ ghetto american cheese for the sandwiches which is probably what ruined it for me but the soup was pretty meh too IMO.

I love cheese and tomatoes in the right stuff though so I bet I would appreciate some more well made stuff.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #23958633 - 12/26/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I like tomato soup and grilled cheese


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Shroomism]
    #23958650 - 12/26/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

tomato soup imo is a love it or hate it type food

grilled cheese is great!

one of the yummiest foods there is,but i just cant stand tomato soup..

to me it tastes like/looks like warm blood :vampire:

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #23958659 - 12/26/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like tomato soup has to be done right. Same with grilled cheese. I've definitely had some tomato soup that I thought sucked.
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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Shroomism]
    #23958710 - 12/26/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I should have mentioned even when I make campbell's tomato I use milk, not water.

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #23958725 - 12/26/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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tomato soup imo is a love it or hate it type food

grilled cheese is great!





unless you hate grilled cheese


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23959010 - 12/26/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Did I enter the wrong thread? I coulda swore this was the nasty food you should avoid thread...

Edit: just in case it is, you should avoid gluten free pasta. Shit tastes like shit took a shit.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23959030 - 12/26/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

we're telling you to avoid food, it's all nasty and no matter how healthy you think you're eating, you're going to die


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23959040 - 12/26/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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we're telling you to avoid food, it's all nasty and no matter how healthy you think you're eating, you're going to die



I never said I eat healthy. I agree with you 100%. Also, I doubt wild game is even "safe" anymore.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23959150 - 12/26/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe I haven't eaten gluten-free stuff enough times so I don't remember well enough, but I swear I've never tasted much of a difference any time I've tried the gluten free versions.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23959187 - 12/26/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe I haven't eaten gluten-free stuff enough times so I don't remember well enough, but I swear I've never tasted much of a difference any time I've tried the gluten free versions.



Next time I'm at the store ill look for the brand and tell you.( only reason i got it was by accident lol)


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    #23959208 - 12/26/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23959554 - 12/26/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

steer clear of cheap canned chili. Shit is nasty!

I get only Staggs and even then, some cans give me da shits. I think its the greese content or something. Also, dont get canned cooked chicken. It doesnt taste very good....

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23959658 - 12/27/16 01:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

MSG is in a ton of cheap stuff as are many even worse preservatives and who knows what else. Some of the ingredients lists are like short novels full of random crazy shit :lol:

The other day I got some chinese and it came with some soy sauce packets, I checked the ingredients and I am pretty sure it had MSG and some other sketchy shit.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: musiclover420]
    #23959832 - 12/27/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

true. i guess cheap foods for the :thumbdown:


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23959915 - 12/27/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I literally have never cared



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try to eat healthy



:archiebunker:



I literally have never cared... about something being processed or preserved. And I still try to eat healthy. I'll eat something processed as shit if it has a good calorie to protein ratio.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Webster10]
    #23960018 - 12/27/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I literally have never cared... about something being processed or preserved. And I still try to eat healthy. I'll eat something processed as shit if it has a good calorie to protein ratio.




What's an example of something processed that you consider healthy?

Because for everything processed out there there's always an unprocessed version that's going to be much healthier. (Examples: Turkey meat, cheese, bread, etc.)


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    #23960034 - 12/27/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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...no matter how healthy you think you're eating...




...and however much you spend on it, you're just gonna turn it into shit.
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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: deucedbi9]
    #23960045 - 12/27/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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...no matter how healthy you think you're eating...




...and however much you spend on it, you're just gonna turn it into shit.
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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: deucedbi9]
    #23960064 - 12/27/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Most food at the sore is terrible. Now there are some items in the aisles that are not terrible upon inspection
Preservative free nuts and dried fruit(most has potassium sorbate)
Cooking oils
The one salsa at walmart without added sugar


Most of it is not good though. It amazes me people buy so bad. Bad parents raise stupid kids, and almost all parents are bad


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23960082 - 12/27/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Most food at the sore is terrible. Now there are some items in the aisles that are not terrible upon inspection
Preservative free nuts and dried fruit(most has potassium sorbate)
Cooking oils
The one salsa at walmart without added sugar





You're shopping at Walmart, no wonder you think everything is terrible. Walmart sells nothing but terrible stuff, even their vegetables and fruits look withered and decayed, and their meats don't always look clean either. I would never buy food at Walmart, you're putting that stuff in your body man.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960105 - 12/27/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's not as bad as people think. Their beets, cabbage, greens are passable enough, they have grass fed butter(the other store here doesn't)

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960126 - 12/27/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I literally have never cared... about something being processed or preserved. And I still try to eat healthy. I'll eat something processed as shit if it has a good calorie to protein ratio.




What's an example of something processed that you consider healthy?

Because for everything processed out there there's always an unprocessed version that's going to be much healthier. (Examples: Turkey meat, cheese, bread, etc.)



The protein in a solid, processed hot dog would do a lot of the meat-starved vegans on here a lot of good.


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    #23960150 - 12/27/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's not an answer.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Webster10]
    #23960157 - 12/27/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Vegans aren't starved of protein if they know what they're doing. The average adult male is recommended to intake 50g of protein, which can be easily doable with things like beans, peas, sweet potatoes, tofu, brown rice, quinoa, and other complex carbs.

The problem is a lot of people try out vegan or vegetarian diets without knowing anything about nutrition. Iceberg lettuce, celery, and cucumbers have almost no nutritional value, so if you make these your staples you're not going to make it very far.

I'd venture to say most vegans and vegetarians are healthier than the average meat-eater.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960161 - 12/27/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

stupid Tastykake donuts that I ate when I woke up in the middle of the night


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23960163 - 12/27/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've had people look at me weird when I say veggies are good
If you don't eat veggies, you won't be healthy.

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    #23960195 - 12/27/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Vegans aren't starved of protein if they know what they're doing. The average adult male is recommended to intake 50g of protein, which can be easily doable with things like beans, peas, sweet potatoes, tofu, brown rice, quinoa, and other complex carbs.

The problem is a lot of people try out vegan or vegetarian diets without knowing anything about nutrition. Iceberg lettuce, celery, and cucumbers have almost no nutritional value, so if you make these your staples you're not going to make it very far.

I'd venture to say most vegans and vegetarians are healthier than the average meat-eater.



I seriously doubt that most vegans and vegetarians are healthier than the average meat-eater. I mean it's not provable but I doubt it.

50g of protein isn't even close to the amount of protein an adult male should take in. That's like nothing. It's just so obvious that a balanced diet is so much better for you than being a vegan or vegetarian.

@1234 - yes it was. A hot dog is processed. I'd consider it healthy for a lot of the members here. Maybe not for some of the fatties.


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    #23960197 - 12/27/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Milk is processed and unarguably good for you.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23960201 - 12/27/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I've had people look at me weird when I say veggies are good
If you don't eat veggies, you won't be healthy.

It isn't an option




Exactly, I am disgusted by people who don't eat veggies at all. How the hell do people go through life never eating vegetables?

I never realized just how unhealthy some people are until I moved to the East Coast. When I lived there, I legitimately met people who never drank water. They drank soda, they drank coffee, they occasionally even drank juice... but never would I ever see them drink water. EVER.

It's hilarious, one of my coworkers who I ate out with frequently commented about how healthy I eat all the time. I look down at my meal, and I'm eating steak, with potatoes, and mixed veggies. This is by no means a "healthy meal." I mean seriously, if you consider that "healthy" you are in big trouble.

Anyway, turns out she and her kids eat fast food shit like Taco Bell and McDonald's almost every single day. Her kid is so bad she will refuse to touch a home-cooked meal if she tries to prepare it for her. Atrocious.


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    #23960212 - 12/27/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Vegans aren't starved of protein if they know what they're doing.




Totally agreed. I go vegan once in a while for a cleansing effect and I use a RAW protein blend to help out. Especially if I'm working out alot.

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50g of protein isn't even close to the amount of protein an adult male should take in.




The DRI (Dietary Reference Intake) is 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight, or 0.36 grams per pound. This amounts to: 56 grams per day for the average sedentary man. 46 grams per day for the average sedentary woman.

Source: https://authoritynutrition.com/how-much-protein-per-day/

^^ Depends on your goals though. If you're bodybuilding/powerlifting/working out  then obviously you need more.


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    #23960217 - 12/27/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Every person like that I meet makes me wonder if they are even the same species.
The scary part is, it's like, well over half the population that aren't even swear enough to be ashamed of what they put inside them in nonsexual ways


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    #23960219 - 12/27/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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50g of protein isn't even close to the amount of protein an adult male should take in. That's like nothing. It's just so obvious that a balanced diet is so much better for you than being a vegan or vegetarian.




50 grams a day for the average adult male weighing 150lbs is the recommendation by the World Health Organization, the USDA, among other sources. Only for athletes are they recommended to intake more, and even then, I believe athletes are instructed to intake more protein than they should be... the primary reason being nutrition companies trying to push their protein products by suggesting over 1+g/lb of body weight.

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The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein is a modest 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight.




http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096

If you use the USDA's calculator, you can see how much protein you need per day. The amount you need is far less than what you think: https://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/interactiveDRI/

So I inputted a 30 year old, 5'10" 180lb male, with "low active" levels of activity. The USDA recommends I intake 65 grams of protein per day based on that.

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I seriously doubt that most vegans and vegetarians are healthier than the average meat-eater. I mean it's not provable but I doubt it.




How do you doubt something like that? Have you considered that 1/3rd of the nation, most of whom are meat-eaters, are obese and are crippled with diabetes?

There's a reason that doctors recommend vegetarian diets or decreasing your meat intake when you are riddled with heart disease.

I used to be one of those people that thought you needed some kind of animal protein with every single meal. I don't believe this anymore, and at least once a week nowadays I will try to eat vegan for a day.


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    #23960264 - 12/27/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just don't think dieting is as complicated as you all make it out to be. No, I don't have to eat vegan to be healthy, no I don't have to avoid processed or preserved food. I can basically eat whatever the hell I want and stay fit.


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    #23960277 - 12/27/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nobody is saying that you have to eat completely vegan to stay healthy. However you absolutely have to eat some fresh vegetables.

In any case, staying fit is a completely different thing from health. You could eat McDonald's every day and stay fit technically, but you aren't going to be healthy.

CT Fletcher is a good example of an extremely fit guy who wasn't healthy. He ate 5 McDouble burgers every single day for years, until one day he had a heart attack and had to have emergency open heart surgery. He was still pretty young at the time, I think probably 40 or something.

If you're eating nothing but canned food and hot dogs every single day, then yes I would be legitimately concerned about your health later on down the road. You might be fine for now, but that's only because you're young.

FYI, hot dogs and bacon have been listed as a carcinogen by the World Health Organization. :cookiemonster:

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    #23960281 - 12/27/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Nobody is saying that you have to eat completely vegan to stay healthy. However you absolutely have to eat some fresh vegetables.

In any case, staying fit is a completely different thing from health. You could eat McDonald's every day and stay fit technically, but you aren't going to be healthy.

CT Fletcher is a good example of an extremely fit guy who wasn't healthy. He ate 5 McDouble burgers every single day for years, until one day he had a heart attack and had to have emergency open heart surgery.



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    #23960308 - 12/27/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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FYI, hot dogs and bacon have been listed as a carcinogen by the World Health Organization. :cookiemonster:

http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2015/pdfs/pr240_E.pdf





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Processed meat was classified as carcinogenic to humans (Group 1), based on sufficient evidence in humans that the consumption of processed meat causes colorectal cancer.




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The experts concluded that each 50 gram portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk of colorectal cancer by 18%.
“For an individual, the risk of developing colorectal cancer because of their consumption of processed meat remains small, but this risk increases with the amount of meat consumed,” says Dr Kurt Straif, Head of the IARC Monographs Programme. “In view of the large number of people who consume processed meat, the global impact on cancer incidence is of public health importance.”




So basically, if you're eating shit like hot dogs and bacon occasionally, it's fine. But if you're eating it every day, you should be careful.


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    #23960327 - 12/27/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I heard that the areomatic hydrocarbons from overcooking may have played a role

Also, what was the rest of the diet? If you eat hotdogs and fries it isn't the same as eating a steak and veggies


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    #23960404 - 12/27/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Also, what was the rest of the diet? If you eat hotdogs and fries it isn't the same as eating a steak and veggies




Haha, I've actually met people who've tried to rationalize that they eat vegetables because potatoes are a vegetable and they eat French fries. :lol:

Potatoes are as much of a vegetable as wheat and corn, lol... I don't consider any of these to be vegetables.


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    #23960423 - 12/27/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's kind of scary when people use sarcastic jokes seriously, in turn making themselves a moron. The nutritional profile of those foods are differant then veggies. They are more staple food for calories.
Without real veggies you won't get magnesium for sure

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    #23960429 - 12/27/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #23960602 - 12/27/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Potatoes are veggies people just eat the least healthy of them :lol:

I pretty much just eat sweet potatoes now and they are the best by far.

Purple sweet potatoes taste amazing, look really cool and are way healthier then the average potatoe.

I still eat normal potatoes occasionally but they are lackluster in comparison.

Sadly I still fry them generally to make home fries which is not the best I know.

Their are actually many different root crops related to potatoes. Look up Andean root crops and you will see. Potatoes are just the most common root crop and also one of the least healthy.

Same thing with corn, sweet corn may not be very healthy but there are other more natural varieties of corn that haven't been bred to be sweet losing much if their nutrition in the process.


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    #23960614 - 12/27/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It's kind of scary when people use sarcastic jokes seriously, in turn making themselves a moron. The nutritional profile of those foods are differant then veggies. They are more staple food for calories.
Without real veggies you won't get magnesium for sure

I don't understand people that peel potatoes




I don't peel potatoes either, I actually like the skin. I prefer to dice sweet potatoes without skinning them, just cutting out the eyes only, and then sautée them in a pan.

I don't understand people that peel apples, the skin of the apple is the best part. And it's also where all the vitamins are, is in the skin.


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    #23960621 - 12/27/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Same thing with corn, sweet corn may not be very healthy but there are other more natural varieties of corn that haven't been bred to be sweet losing much if their nutrition in the process.




I agree, sweet potatoes are far superior to regular potatoes. I never eat regular potatoes, only sweet potatoes.

Regarding corn, I was under the impression that corn is impossible for your body to digest, so you actually get almost no nutritional value from corn... if you've ever noticed, every time you eat corn, you eventually pass it almost completely whole in your stool. Which means your body never actually digests that corn.


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    #23960642 - 12/27/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I still like red potatoes from time to time but sweet potatoes taste way more rich.

Interesting about the corn, I don't eat it too often do I never noticed that.

Native Americans ate a lot of corn and they also ate unmodified corn that may have been easier to digest as well as being more nutritious. It could be a genetic thing though as some people just can't digest certain things as well.


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    #23960648 - 12/27/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Potatoes are veggies people just eat the least healthy of them :lol:

I pretty much just eat sweet potatoes now and they are the best by far.

Purple sweet potatoes taste amazing, look really cool and are way healthier then the average potatoe.

I still eat normal potatoes occasionally but they are lackluster in comparison.

Sadly I still fry them generally to make home fries which is not the best I know.

Their are actually many different root crops related to potatoes. Look up Andean root crops and you will see. Potatoes are just the most common root crop and also one of the least healthy.

Same thing with corn, sweet corn may not be very healthy but there are other more natural varieties of corn that haven't been bred to be sweet losing much if their nutrition in the process.



I'm down with the new world crops.

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    #23960674 - 12/27/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sweet potatoes man. Andean root crops, like I said.

New world crops are simply the most common and widespread but there are a lot if lesser known alternatives.


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    #23960681 - 12/27/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I still like red potatoes from time to time but sweet potatoes taste way more rich.

Interesting about the corn, I don't eat it too often do I never noticed that.

Native Americans ate a lot of corn and they also ate unmodified corn that may have been easier to digest as well as being more nutritious. It could be a genetic thing though as some people just can't digest certain things as well.




This is how our food would look if it was never genetically modified.

Apparently the reason corn is impossible to digest is because of the large amount of cellulose in it, humans don't have an enzyme to break down cellulose which is why corn passes in our stools. I'm sure we absorb and digest some of it, but most of it is unprocessed and passes through into waste.





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I'm down with the new world crops.

Ya, not a huge variety of that up here in the midwest




I had an older gentleman who grew up in the Midwest tell me that he was raised on a diet of meat and potatoes almost every day. I just can't imagine eating red meat and potatoes every single day, I mean that is such a heavy meal to me... I would feel sick eating that diet for more than 3 days straight.


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    #23960717 - 12/27/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I was just reading about corns history, pretty crazy how far many plants have come with people selectively growing them. Makes me wonder if modern GMO's are even really neccesarry, of course clearly we can't do everything naturally.


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    #23960780 - 12/27/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Milk is processed and unarguably good for you.




Not really. Cheap mass produced milk is chalked full of hormones, antibiotics, and bunch of other nasty shit. It's also inflammatory, lowers the immune system, and the processing changes the lactose/lactate ratios to make it even harder on digestion. I buy the best local pasteurized milk I can find, but it's literally only for weight gain. I am chronically underweight and milk helps me maintain, otherwise I didn't drink it for like 10 years. Blows me away that people kid themselves into modern milk being a "healthy food", when we are the only animal on the planet that consumes dairy from other species.

Raw milk is by far a better alternative, but it's extremely taboo and people think you get salmonella from it, yet far more people get salmonella from eating Tyson chicken every year than from properly handled and stored raw milk. I'd buy raw milk if I could, but it's fucking illegal, which should tell everyone something. It's ok for people to smoke cigarettes, but I can't assume the health risks of raw milk...


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    #23960792 - 12/27/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Selective breeding is vastly different than GMO. I buy as much GMO free stuff as possible, but heirloom seeds have been around for generations, none of which are "GMOS" and produce gorgeous fruits and veggies.


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    #23961113 - 12/27/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Not really. Cheap mass produced milk is chalked full of hormones, antibiotics, and bunch of other nasty shit. It's also inflammatory, lowers the immune system, and the processing changes the lactose/lactate ratios to make it even harder on digestion. I buy the best local pasteurized milk I can find, but it's literally only for weight gain. I am chronically underweight and milk helps me maintain, otherwise I didn't drink it for like 10 years. Blows me away that people kid themselves into modern milk being a "healthy food", when we are the only animal on the planet that consumes dairy from other species.

Raw milk is by far a better alternative, but it's extremely taboo and people think you get salmonella from it, yet far more people get salmonella from eating Tyson chicken every year than from properly handled and stored raw milk. I'd buy raw milk if I could, but it's fucking illegal, which should tell everyone something. It's ok for people to smoke cigarettes, but I can't assume the health risks of raw milk...




Even "organic" milk is full of hormones, which makes sense if you think about it... only females who are pregnant or nursing are able to lactate. The milk they produce releases all those hormones they secrete, even without any additional steroids or hormones given to them.

Yeah, I totally forgot to respond that post Webster made too, milk is really not healthy. The whole "milk does the body good" campaign was a big marketing scheme and lie perpetuated by the dairy industry.

In fact, quite a few studies have linked osteoporosis and risk of bone fracture to higher milk consumption, as opposed to the reverse. It appears dairy is actually worse for your bones.

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Myth 1: Milk builds strong bones.

The dairy and bone health link is one of the most pervasive milk myths. One large-scale Harvard study followed 72,000 women for two decades and found no evidence that drinking milk can prevent bone fractures or osteoporosis. Another study of more than 96,000 people found that the more milk men consumed as teenagers, the more bone fractures they experience as adults. Similarly, another study found that adolescent girls who consumed the most calcium, mostly in the form of dairy products, were at greater risk for stress fractures than those consuming less calcium.




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    #23961127 - 12/27/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Milk is processed and unarguably good for you.




Not really. Cheap mass produced milk is chalked full of hormones, antibiotics, and bunch of other nasty shit. It's also inflammatory, lowers the immune system, and the processing changes the lactose/lactate ratios to make it even harder on digestion. I buy the best local pasteurized milk I can find, but it's literally only for weight gain. I am chronically underweight and milk helps me maintain, otherwise I didn't drink it for like 10 years. Blows me away that people kid themselves into modern milk being a "healthy food", when we are the only animal on the planet that consumes dairy from other species.

Raw milk is by far a better alternative, but it's extremely taboo and people think you get salmonella from it, yet far more people get salmonella from eating Tyson chicken every year than from properly handled and stored raw milk. I'd buy raw milk if I could, but it's fucking illegal, which should tell everyone something. It's ok for people to smoke cigarettes, but I can't assume the health risks of raw milk...



I'm not sure about raw milk, I've never tried it. It's just that whole milk is like drinking meat haha. It has good fat and protein, and if anyone is overweight they can drink a lesser fattening milk. It's a very proteinous drink and a lot of people on this forum could benefit from some more protein.


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    #23961279 - 12/27/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cow milk has always grossed me out, I love hemp milk and other nut milks though. They are much more refreshing and nutritional I would say.

Best part is you can literally take almost any nut and blend it up with water and strain it and get a creamy nut milk.

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    #23961291 - 12/27/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know how raw milk is 'pretentious', but milk isn't meat. It's ful of carbs, and calcium.

I defenately feel much better without milk, and I'm a milk drinking person that defenately comes from a lactose tolerant line of moron Midwestern drunks.

Also, a less fattening milk means you increase the ratio of sugar and protein, and make your milk taste so bas you may as well put water on your cereal


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23961314 - 12/27/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Vegans aren't starved of protein if they know what they're doing.




no they dont, they read natural news and get food advice from the 50 banana guy


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    #23961322 - 12/27/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Cow milk has always grossed me out, I love hemp milk and other nut milks though. They are much more refreshing and nutritional I would say.

Best part is you can literally take almost any nut and blend it up with water and strain it and get a creamy nut milk.




jesus fucking christ, you're really going to set this shit up like this and not
expect some remark from me, we'll gods damn it, I know it's a trap so I wont even
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Not really. Cheap mass produced milk is chalked full of hormones, antibiotics, and bunch of other nasty shit. It's also inflammatory, lowers the immune system, and the processing changes the lactose/lactate ratios to make it even harder on digestion. I buy the best local pasteurized milk I can find, but it's literally only for weight gain. I am chronically underweight and milk helps me maintain, otherwise I didn't drink it for like 10 years. Blows me away that people kid themselves into modern milk being a "healthy food", when we are the only animal on the planet that consumes dairy from other species.

Raw milk is by far a better alternative, but it's extremely taboo and people think you get salmonella from it, yet far more people get salmonella from eating Tyson chicken every year than from properly handled and stored raw milk. I'd buy raw milk if I could, but it's fucking illegal, which should tell everyone something. It's ok for people to smoke cigarettes, but I can't assume the health risks of raw milk...




Even "organic" milk is full of hormones, which makes sense if you think about it... only females who are pregnant or nursing are able to lactate. The milk they produce releases all those hormones they secrete, even without any additional steroids or hormones given to them.

Yeah, I totally forgot to respond that post Webster made too, milk is really not healthy. The whole "milk does the body good" campaign was a big marketing scheme and lie perpetuated by the dairy industry.

In fact, quite a few studies have linked osteoporosis and risk of bone fracture to higher milk consumption, as opposed to the reverse. It appears dairy is actually worse for your bones.

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Myth 1: Milk builds strong bones.

The dairy and bone health link is one of the most pervasive milk myths. One large-scale Harvard study followed 72,000 women for two decades and found no evidence that drinking milk can prevent bone fractures or osteoporosis. Another study of more than 96,000 people found that the more milk men consumed as teenagers, the more bone fractures they experience as adults. Similarly, another study found that adolescent girls who consumed the most calcium, mostly in the form of dairy products, were at greater risk for stress fractures than those consuming less calcium.




http://www.pcrm.org/nbBlog/white-lies-five-milk-myths-debunked




The whole bone health is scam by the milk industry, as you said. Milk at the grocery store is fortified with added vitamins. If milk were so health, why do they have to add vitamins to it to make the claims it helps X, Y, or Z? I don't really buy organic milk, or the major brands at least. I get local milk and pay a deposit for a reusable jug. I could have a milk man on delivery if I wanted.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23961602 - 12/27/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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it can also be done by sucking 18 dicks but only one will make you $400 a day




Only $400 a day for sucking 18 dicks, that's not a very good deal. What kind of cheapo are you? :crankey:


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I'd venture to say you're wrong

skinny doesnt mean healthy




They're healthier because they're less likely to suffer from obesity-related diseases, such as diabetes or cardiac issues.

People who are vegans and vegetarians are more likely to live longer, that is something that has been documented.


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    #23961608 - 12/27/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

$22 is pretty outrageous for a blow job, thats like $1000 a month just for blowjobs

This is why people need to plan out their grocery budgets, it adds up


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23961609 - 12/27/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Correlation is not causation. One could argue a vegetarian lives longer because they are more health conscious in general and embrace health living as lifestyle and not a temporary "diet". When comparing vegetarians to like minded health and fitness people that eat an omnivore diet as a lifestyle, they don't live longer. If I recall, it's actually the opposite.

Steve Jobs was a vegetarian and died at like 55, and had a world class private chef and access to the best ingredients. Yet he perished and the cancer ate him up and virtually the doctors agreed his diet contributed to it. Not to say that's everyone, but vegetarian is by far the ideal diet for optimal health. It can work for a small portion of the people and their unique biochemistry, but it just won't work for everyone. Just like eating a high fat low carb diet doesn't work for everyone.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: daytripper05]
    #23961631 - 12/27/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Correlation is not causation. One could argue a vegetarian lives longer because they are more health conscious in general and embrace health living as lifestyle and not a temporary "diet".




Maybe. Though I've met a lot of vegetarians and vegans that smoke cigarettes and use drugs, so it's kind of a paradox when you think about it.

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When comparing vegetarians to like minded health and fitness people that eat an omnivore diet as a lifestyle, they don't live longer. If I recall, it's actually the opposite.




I haven't read that study, can you link me to it?

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Steve Jobs was a vegetarian and died at like 55, and had a world class private chef and access to the best ingredients. Yet he perished and the cancer ate him up and virtually the doctors agreed his diet contributed to it. Not to say that's everyone, but vegetarian is by far the ideal diet for optimal health. It can work for a small portion of the people and their unique biochemistry, but it just won't work for everyone. Just like eating a high fat low carb diet doesn't work for everyone.




Didn't Steve Jobs eat only one kind of fruit or something? Also I was under the impression he started eating like that after he found out he developed cancer?

Plus, almost nobody survives pancreatic cancer...


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23961685 - 12/28/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I use to listen to a ton of health podcasts and they would read and talk about various articles, so often times I never actually read the actual link, just the podcasts. Was 4-5 years ago though, so no resources anymore. Info is certainly there. I mainly like to listen to paleo podcasts and evolutionary nutritionists.


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Sounds biased and vague


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    #23962799 - 12/28/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Cow milk has always grossed me out, I love hemp milk and other nut milks though. They are much more refreshing and nutritional I would say.

Best part is you can literally take almost any nut and blend it up with water and strain it and get a creamy nut milk.




jesus fucking christ, you're really going to set this shit up like this and not
expect some remark from me, we'll gods damn it, I know it's a trap so I wont even
mention that you cant milk a nut unless it's mine or that it has super food
properties, nor will I mention this peanut water stuff you drink is actually kinda
not even pleasant to those of us that dont believe the vegan lies

so my advice, dont drink nut milk, drink NutMilk®




Clearly you have never had chocolate hemp milk, it is absolutely delicious.

Makes cows milk taste like crap and it is way healthier and easier on the body.


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    #23963636 - 12/28/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So this is interesting. My friend went vegan for 4 months and posted his medical bloodwork

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I took my medical records before and after this entire ordeal. The first thing I want to address is my cholesterol level before and after going vegan. My family has a history of very high cholesterol and I'm no exception no matter how much I was exercising.

**** Cholesterol ****
LDL (bad cholesterol):
Before Going Vegan:
170 mg per dL- Very High / Risk of heart disease.
After 4 Months of Vegan:
80 mg per dL- Unbelievably low, within the top 99.9% of people in America and ~95 % of the world.

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HDL (good cholesterol):
Before Going Vegan: 42 - Extremely low / Risk of heart disease.
After 4 Months of Vegan: 77 - One of the highest HDLs possible and the doctor retested me three times quickly to make sure it was correct.

~~_*_~~
Triglycerides (fat calories not used by body; negative):
Before Going Vegan: 173 mg/DL - Actually not too extreme but still considered HIGH. Doctor recommended immediate action.
After 4 Months of Vegan: 131 mg/DL - Phenomenonal. Never thought my genetics could allow this.

~~_*_~~
Enough about the most important change which was my cholesterol differences. What else?

1) * I dropped 16 lbs of unnecessary weight that exited from places I didn't expect like my thighs. You know when you sit down to take a poo and your legs squish together and in your head you're like 'well I'm the fattest person on earth officially.'.. Yeah, it came off from places like that. Back of my shoulder area dropped major flab. My neck even looks better, wtf?

2) * I no longer 'get hungry' unless in extreme circumstances. My body has conditioned to eat what it needs and not crave the irrelevant. The meat and the gluttony. I take what I need and leave the rest. I am at full physiological love and comfort within myself.

3) * But the weirdest thing of all - and you'll read this on other vegan blogs all over the place... The mental clarity that begins to happen after a week or two of no meat or animal products. It's like a cloud that becomes lifted from the roots of the soul due to an entire aspect of life being taken away. I no longer had to let gluttony infiltrate my daily schedule. I ran more, I laughed more, I was lighter on my feet, and I learned what it meant to not care about what others around were partaking in as long as I'm happy within my own psyche.




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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23963648 - 12/28/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's 2017. Thinking it's a good idea to eat meat just makes you look stupid at this point.


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    #23963654 - 12/28/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ugggghhhh. As healthy as it sounds, I don't know if I could ever do it. 

Meat tastes soooo good, you have to enjoy this life a little you only live it once.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #23963680 - 12/28/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ugggghhhh. As healthy as it sounds, I don't know if I could ever do it. 

Meat tastes soooo good, you have to enjoy this life a little you only live it once.




I'm the same way. I won't cut meat completely out of my diet probably ever, but I've gotten to a point where I only eat red meat once every 2 weeks or so. Other meats like chicken, seafood, and pork I still eat pretty regularly.

It's hard for me to completely cut all meat out of my diet, because animal protein is what I crave most. I crave it more than sweets, I crave it more than carbs, more than anything else. I'm hypoglycemic and have very low blood pressure, so I speculate that the reason I crave animal protein is because it's what my body needs.

I would like to try experimenting with more vegan recipes though, since I currently eat vegan or vegetarian at least once a week. If I get enough recipes, I might try twice a week.

Even my friend who posted that bloodwork isn't going to stay vegan, he said he's slowly going to start reintroducing himself back to meat. He is currently living in Vietnam right now, and says he doesn't want to miss out on some of the best food the country has to offer, so that's why he's not going to stay vegan. But because of what he's learned, he is simply going to eat it a lot less than before. And when he does eat it, he will eat smaller portions.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23964019 - 12/28/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd venture to say most vegans and vegetarians are healthier than the average meat-eater.




You might be mistaken.

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B12
Study found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores.

A common myth amongst vegetarians and vegans is that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like seaweed, fermented soy, spirulina and brewers yeast. But plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block the intake of, and increase the need for, true B12

CALCIUM
On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products), but is much lower in vegans, who are often deficient.
However, calcium bioavailability from plant foods is affected by their levels of oxalate and phytate, which are inhibitors of calcium absorption and thus decrease the amount of calcium the body can extract from plant foods. So while leafy greens like spinach and kale have a relatively high calcium content, the calcium is not efficiently absorbed during digestion.

One study suggests that it would take 16 servings of spinach to get the same amount of absorbable calcium as an 8 ounce glass of milk. That would be 33 cups of baby spinach or around 5-6 cups of cooked spinach. There are a few vegetables listed in this paper that have higher levels of bioavailable calcium, but it’s important to note that all of the vegetables tested required multiple servings to achieve the same amount of usable calcium as one single serving of milk, cheese, or yogurt. This suggests that trying to meet your daily calcium needs from plant foods alone (rather than dairy products or bone-in fish) might not be a great strategy.

IRON
Vegetarians and omnivores have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin—the long-term storage form of iron—are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores. This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency. Moreover, although vegetarians often have similar iron intakes to omnivores on paper, it is more common for vegetarians (and particularly vegans) to be iron deficient. For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40% of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance.

ZINC
Overt zinc deficiency is not often seen in Western vegetarians, but their intake often falls below recommendations. This is another case where bioavailability is important; many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35% compared with omniovorous diet. STUDY.
Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50% more zinc than omnivores for this reason.

EPA and DHA
Plant foods do contain linoleic acid (omega-6) and alpha-linolenic acid (omega-3), both of which are considered essential fatty acids. In this context, an essential fatty acid is one that can’t be synthesized by the body and must be obtained in the diet. However, an increasing body of research has highlighted the benefits of the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids EPA & DHA. These fatty acids play a protective and therapeutic role in a wide range of diseases: cancer, asthma, depression, cardiovascular disease, ADHD, and autoimmune diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis.

While it is possible for some alpha-linolenic acid from plant foods to be converted into EPA & DHA, that conversion is poor in humans: between 5-10% for EPA and 2-5% for DHA. Vegetarians have 30% lower levels of EPA & DHA than omnivores, while vegans have 50% lower EPA and nearly 60% lower DHA. Moreover, the conversion of ALA to DHA depends on zinc, iron and pyridoxine—nutrients which vegetarians and vegans are less likely than omnivores to get enough of.

A and D
Perhaps the biggest problem with vegetarian and vegan diets, however, is their near total lack of two fat-soluble vitamins: A and D. Fat-soluble vitamins play numerous and critical roles in human health. Vitamin A promotes healthy immune function, fertility, eyesight and skin. Vitamin D regulates calcium metabolism, regulates immune function, reduces inflammation and protects against some forms of cancer.

These important fat-soluble vitamins are concentrated, and in some cases found almost exclusively, in animal foods: primarily seafood, organ meats, eggs and dairy products. Some obscure species of mushrooms can provide large amounts of vitamin D, but these mushrooms are rarely consumed and often difficult to obtain. (This explains why vitamin D levels are 58% lower in vegetarians and 74% lower in vegans than in omnivores.)

The idea that plant foods contain vitamin A is a common misconception. Plants contain beta-carotene, the precursor to active vitamin A (retinol). While beta-carotene is converted into vitamin A in humans, the conversion is inefficient. For example, a single serving of liver per week would meet the RDA of 3,000 IU. To get the same amount from plant foods, you’d have to eat 2 cups of carrots, one cup of sweet potatoes or 2 cups of kale every day. Moreover, traditional cultures consumed up to 10 times the RDA for vitamin A. It would be nearly impossible to get this amount of vitamin A from plant foods without juicing or taking supplements.


But don’t vegetarians live longer than omnivores?

At this point you might be thinking, “Well, so what if plant-based diets are lower in some nutrients. Everyone knows vegetarians live longer than omnivores!” While it’s true that some observational studies suggest that vegetarians and vegans enjoy longer lifespans, these studies were plagued by the “healthy user bias”. The healthy user bias is the scientific way of saying that people who engage in one behavior that is perceived as healthy (whether it is or not) are more likely to engage in other behaviors that are healthy. For example, vegetarians tend to be more health conscious on average than general population; they are less likely to smoke or drink excessively and more likely to exercise, eat fruits and vegetables and take care of themselves.

Of course the flip-side is also true: those that engage in behaviors perceived to be unhealthy are more likely to engage in other unhealthy behaviors. The healthy user bias is one of the main reasons it’s so difficult to infer causality from observational studies. For example, say a study shows that eating processed meats like bacon and hot dogs increases your risk of heart disease. Let’s also say, as the healthy user bias predicts, that those who eat more bacon and hot dogs also eat a lot more refined flour (hot dog and hamburger buns), sugar and industrial seed oils, and a lot less fresh fruits, vegetables and soluble fiber. They also drink and smoke more, exercise less and generally do not take care of themselves very well. How do we know, then, that it’s the processed meat that is increasing the risk of heart disease rather than these other things—or perhaps some combination of these other things and the processed meat?

One way to answer that question is to design a study that attempts to control for at least some of the healthy user bias. In other words, instead of comparing the “average” meat eater (who tends to be less health conscious) with the “average” vegetarian (who tends to be more health conscious), what happens when you compare vegetarians and omnivores that are both health-conscious?

Thankfully, we have a study that did just that. It compared the mortality of people who shopped in health food stores (both vegetarians and omnivores) to people in the general population. This was a clever study design. People who shop in health food stores are more likely to be health conscious, regardless of whether they eat meat, which reduces the likelihood that the study results will be thrown off by the “healthy user bias”. What did the researchers find? Both vegetarians and omnivores in the health food store group lived longer than people in the general population—not surprising given their higher level of health consciousness—but there was no survival difference between vegetarians or omnivores. Nor was there any difference in rates of heart disease or stroke between the two groups.  In other words, omnivores who are health conscious live just as long as vegetarians that are health conscious.

Final thoughts
With care and attention, I think it’s possible to meet nutrient needs with a vegetarian diet that includes liberal amounts of pasture-raised, full-fat dairy and eggs, with one exception: EPA and DHA. These long-chain omega fats are found exclusively in marine algae and fish and shellfish, so the only way to get them on a vegetarian diet would be to take a microalgae supplement (which contains DHA) or bend the rules and take fish oil or cod liver oil as a supplement. Still, while it may be possible to obtain adequate nutrition on a vegetarian diet, it is not optimal—as the research above indicates.

I do not think it’s possible to meet nutrient needs on a vegan diet without supplements—and quite a few of them. Vegan diets are low in B12, biovailable iron and zinc, choline, vitamin A & D, calcium, and EPA and DHA. So if you’re intent on following a vegan diet, make sure you are supplementing with those nutrients.

It’s worth pointing out that there are genetic differences that affect the conversion of certain nutrient precursors (like beta-carotene and alpha-linolenic acid) into the active forms of those nutrients (like retinol and EPA and DHA, respectively), and these differences may affect how long someone will be able to follow a vegetarian or vegan diet before they develop nutrient deficiencies. This explains why some people seem to do well for years on these diets, while others develop problems very quickly.

From an evolutionary perspective, is difficult to justify a diet with low levels of several nutrients critical to human function. While it may be possible to address these shortcomings through targeted supplementation (an issue that is still debated), it makes far more sense to meet nutritional needs from food. This is especially important for children, who are still developing and are even more sensitive to suboptimal intake of the nutrients discussed in this article. Like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. Unfortunately, many are not aware of the potential for nutrient deficiencies posed by their dietary choices.





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    #23964283 - 12/28/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Regarding calcium, I already addressed that point. Apparently calcium intake from dairy is associated with osteoporosis and increased bone fracture risk. People who don't drink dairy actually have lower rates of osteoporosis than people who do drink it:

http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9224182

It is not necessary to get Vitamin D from meat either, in fact you can get vitamin D from simply exposing yourself to the sun. There are also many vegetables high in vitamin A, carrots, kale, okra, eggplant, potato, asparagus, broccoli, etc. and the list isn't short either.

Regarding omega-3's, you can get those from consuming healthy types of fats such as nuts, olive oil, or hemp seed oil. One could easily argue that fish has been so overly polluted with mercury, radiation, among other toxins, that you really can't say it's healthy anymore to consume fish.

While the part about B12 is true, simply because only animal products contain vitamin B12, high protein diets are also associated with bad cholesterol levels, and kidney and liver disease such as liver cancer. (I mentioned how Mongolians eat a primarily dairy and meat diet, and they have some of the highest liver cancer rates in the world).

Not only that, but the last study that you linked seems to suggest that adding fruits is beneficial to your health:

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Within the cohort, daily consumption of fresh fruit was associated with significantly reduced mortality from ischaemic heart disease (rate ratio adjusted for smoking 0.76 (95% confidence interval 0.60 to 0.97)), cerebrovascular disease (0.68 (0.47 to 0.98)), and for all causes combined (0.79 (0.70 to 0.90)).
CONCLUSIONS:
In this cohort of health conscious individuals, daily consumption of fresh fruit is associated with a reduced mortality from ischaemic heart disease, cerebrovascular disease, and all causes combined.




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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23964288 - 12/28/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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skinny doesnt mean healthy




They're healthier because they're less likely to suffer from obesity-related diseases, such as diabetes or cardiac issues.




if 35% of the US is overweight that means that 65% is not overweight, given that the
vast majority of them eat meat, again, being skinny doent mean healthy, most vegans
do in fact suffer from nutrient deficiencies and believe it or not, there are plenty
of disease related to vegan diets, you may be unawaqre of it but vegan diets only
decrease the risk of developing heart disease and type 2 diabetes and only by
about 25%,

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People who are vegans and vegetarians are more likely to live longer, that is something that has been documented.




these are the kind of horse shit statements I hate. health nuts eating healthy
diets drop dead at pretty young ages quite frequently, an engineer I worked with,
32 years old, athletic and very active, he just got married a couple of months
before he died.

stop shopping for this information on the internet, yes, eating vegan/vegetarian
can in fact work well for some by decreasing some risk factors, typically it only
works well for those that can afford it. genetics can still kick your ass no
matter what you do with your life and it's the one factor you cannot overcome, you
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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23964290 - 12/28/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Whole-sale Bag o' Dicks

Always get the local organic variety, none of that processed frozen or "dick n' a can" garbage


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23964384 - 12/29/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No one is arguing that eating fruits isn't good for your health. We are talking about omnivores vs vegans/vegetarians.


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    #23964408 - 12/29/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Whole-sale Bag o' Dicks






have you tried the soy based gluten free bag o'dicks?

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    #23964423 - 12/29/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Gross, those arent even real dicks

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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Shroomism]
    #23964493 - 12/29/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm vegan and I supplement b12 dha/epa calcium and carnosine. I get my vitamins and minerals from organic foods. I'm getting blood work done here in the next 6 months to see where I'm at.

Before I did this I had microsCopic blood found in my urine. That's also gonna get looked into.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23964503 - 12/29/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
Whole-sale Bag o' Dicks

Always get the local organic variety, none of that processed frozen or "dick n' a can" garbage



I prefer my dick in a box.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #23964506 - 12/29/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Amanita86 said:
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Repertoire89 said:
Whole-sale Bag o' Dicks

Always get the local organic variety, none of that processed frozen or "dick n' a can" garbage



I prefer my dick in a box.




box o'dicks is classy as fuck



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Edited by Niffla (12/29/16 01:37 AM)


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