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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23961602 - 12/27/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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it can also be done by sucking 18 dicks but only one will make you $400 a day




Only $400 a day for sucking 18 dicks, that's not a very good deal. What kind of cheapo are you? :crankey:


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I'd venture to say you're wrong

skinny doesnt mean healthy




They're healthier because they're less likely to suffer from obesity-related diseases, such as diabetes or cardiac issues.

People who are vegans and vegetarians are more likely to live longer, that is something that has been documented.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23961608 - 12/27/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

$22 is pretty outrageous for a blow job, thats like $1000 a month just for blowjobs

This is why people need to plan out their grocery budgets, it adds up


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23961609 - 12/27/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Correlation is not causation. One could argue a vegetarian lives longer because they are more health conscious in general and embrace health living as lifestyle and not a temporary "diet". When comparing vegetarians to like minded health and fitness people that eat an omnivore diet as a lifestyle, they don't live longer. If I recall, it's actually the opposite.

Steve Jobs was a vegetarian and died at like 55, and had a world class private chef and access to the best ingredients. Yet he perished and the cancer ate him up and virtually the doctors agreed his diet contributed to it. Not to say that's everyone, but vegetarian is by far the ideal diet for optimal health. It can work for a small portion of the people and their unique biochemistry, but it just won't work for everyone. Just like eating a high fat low carb diet doesn't work for everyone.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: daytripper05]
    #23961631 - 12/27/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Correlation is not causation. One could argue a vegetarian lives longer because they are more health conscious in general and embrace health living as lifestyle and not a temporary "diet".




Maybe. Though I've met a lot of vegetarians and vegans that smoke cigarettes and use drugs, so it's kind of a paradox when you think about it.

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When comparing vegetarians to like minded health and fitness people that eat an omnivore diet as a lifestyle, they don't live longer. If I recall, it's actually the opposite.




I haven't read that study, can you link me to it?

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Steve Jobs was a vegetarian and died at like 55, and had a world class private chef and access to the best ingredients. Yet he perished and the cancer ate him up and virtually the doctors agreed his diet contributed to it. Not to say that's everyone, but vegetarian is by far the ideal diet for optimal health. It can work for a small portion of the people and their unique biochemistry, but it just won't work for everyone. Just like eating a high fat low carb diet doesn't work for everyone.




Didn't Steve Jobs eat only one kind of fruit or something? Also I was under the impression he started eating like that after he found out he developed cancer?

Plus, almost nobody survives pancreatic cancer...


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23961685 - 12/28/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I use to listen to a ton of health podcasts and they would read and talk about various articles, so often times I never actually read the actual link, just the podcasts. Was 4-5 years ago though, so no resources anymore. Info is certainly there. I mainly like to listen to paleo podcasts and evolutionary nutritionists.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: daytripper05]
    #23961704 - 12/28/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds biased and vague


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23962799 - 12/28/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Cow milk has always grossed me out, I love hemp milk and other nut milks though. They are much more refreshing and nutritional I would say.

Best part is you can literally take almost any nut and blend it up with water and strain it and get a creamy nut milk.




jesus fucking christ, you're really going to set this shit up like this and not
expect some remark from me, we'll gods damn it, I know it's a trap so I wont even
mention that you cant milk a nut unless it's mine or that it has super food
properties, nor will I mention this peanut water stuff you drink is actually kinda
not even pleasant to those of us that dont believe the vegan lies

so my advice, dont drink nut milk, drink NutMilk®




Clearly you have never had chocolate hemp milk, it is absolutely delicious.

Makes cows milk taste like crap and it is way healthier and easier on the body.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23963636 - 12/28/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So this is interesting. My friend went vegan for 4 months and posted his medical bloodwork

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I took my medical records before and after this entire ordeal. The first thing I want to address is my cholesterol level before and after going vegan. My family has a history of very high cholesterol and I'm no exception no matter how much I was exercising.

**** Cholesterol ****
LDL (bad cholesterol):
Before Going Vegan:
170 mg per dL- Very High / Risk of heart disease.
After 4 Months of Vegan:
80 mg per dL- Unbelievably low, within the top 99.9% of people in America and ~95 % of the world.

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HDL (good cholesterol):
Before Going Vegan: 42 - Extremely low / Risk of heart disease.
After 4 Months of Vegan: 77 - One of the highest HDLs possible and the doctor retested me three times quickly to make sure it was correct.

~~_*_~~
Triglycerides (fat calories not used by body; negative):
Before Going Vegan: 173 mg/DL - Actually not too extreme but still considered HIGH. Doctor recommended immediate action.
After 4 Months of Vegan: 131 mg/DL - Phenomenonal. Never thought my genetics could allow this.

~~_*_~~
Enough about the most important change which was my cholesterol differences. What else?

1) * I dropped 16 lbs of unnecessary weight that exited from places I didn't expect like my thighs. You know when you sit down to take a poo and your legs squish together and in your head you're like 'well I'm the fattest person on earth officially.'.. Yeah, it came off from places like that. Back of my shoulder area dropped major flab. My neck even looks better, wtf?

2) * I no longer 'get hungry' unless in extreme circumstances. My body has conditioned to eat what it needs and not crave the irrelevant. The meat and the gluttony. I take what I need and leave the rest. I am at full physiological love and comfort within myself.

3) * But the weirdest thing of all - and you'll read this on other vegan blogs all over the place... The mental clarity that begins to happen after a week or two of no meat or animal products. It's like a cloud that becomes lifted from the roots of the soul due to an entire aspect of life being taken away. I no longer had to let gluttony infiltrate my daily schedule. I ran more, I laughed more, I was lighter on my feet, and I learned what it meant to not care about what others around were partaking in as long as I'm happy within my own psyche.




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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23963648 - 12/28/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's 2017. Thinking it's a good idea to eat meat just makes you look stupid at this point.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23963654 - 12/28/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ugggghhhh. As healthy as it sounds, I don't know if I could ever do it. 

Meat tastes soooo good, you have to enjoy this life a little you only live it once.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #23963680 - 12/28/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ugggghhhh. As healthy as it sounds, I don't know if I could ever do it. 

Meat tastes soooo good, you have to enjoy this life a little you only live it once.




I'm the same way. I won't cut meat completely out of my diet probably ever, but I've gotten to a point where I only eat red meat once every 2 weeks or so. Other meats like chicken, seafood, and pork I still eat pretty regularly.

It's hard for me to completely cut all meat out of my diet, because animal protein is what I crave most. I crave it more than sweets, I crave it more than carbs, more than anything else. I'm hypoglycemic and have very low blood pressure, so I speculate that the reason I crave animal protein is because it's what my body needs.

I would like to try experimenting with more vegan recipes though, since I currently eat vegan or vegetarian at least once a week. If I get enough recipes, I might try twice a week.

Even my friend who posted that bloodwork isn't going to stay vegan, he said he's slowly going to start reintroducing himself back to meat. He is currently living in Vietnam right now, and says he doesn't want to miss out on some of the best food the country has to offer, so that's why he's not going to stay vegan. But because of what he's learned, he is simply going to eat it a lot less than before. And when he does eat it, he will eat smaller portions.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23964019 - 12/28/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
I'd venture to say most vegans and vegetarians are healthier than the average meat-eater.




You might be mistaken.

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B12
Study found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores.

A common myth amongst vegetarians and vegans is that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like seaweed, fermented soy, spirulina and brewers yeast. But plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block the intake of, and increase the need for, true B12

CALCIUM
On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products), but is much lower in vegans, who are often deficient.
However, calcium bioavailability from plant foods is affected by their levels of oxalate and phytate, which are inhibitors of calcium absorption and thus decrease the amount of calcium the body can extract from plant foods. So while leafy greens like spinach and kale have a relatively high calcium content, the calcium is not efficiently absorbed during digestion.

One study suggests that it would take 16 servings of spinach to get the same amount of absorbable calcium as an 8 ounce glass of milk. That would be 33 cups of baby spinach or around 5-6 cups of cooked spinach. There are a few vegetables listed in this paper that have higher levels of bioavailable calcium, but it’s important to note that all of the vegetables tested required multiple servings to achieve the same amount of usable calcium as one single serving of milk, cheese, or yogurt. This suggests that trying to meet your daily calcium needs from plant foods alone (rather than dairy products or bone-in fish) might not be a great strategy.

IRON
Vegetarians and omnivores have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin—the long-term storage form of iron—are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores. This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency. Moreover, although vegetarians often have similar iron intakes to omnivores on paper, it is more common for vegetarians (and particularly vegans) to be iron deficient. For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40% of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance.

ZINC
Overt zinc deficiency is not often seen in Western vegetarians, but their intake often falls below recommendations. This is another case where bioavailability is important; many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35% compared with omniovorous diet. STUDY.
Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50% more zinc than omnivores for this reason.

EPA and DHA
Plant foods do contain linoleic acid (omega-6) and alpha-linolenic acid (omega-3), both of which are considered essential fatty acids. In this context, an essential fatty acid is one that can’t be synthesized by the body and must be obtained in the diet. However, an increasing body of research has highlighted the benefits of the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids EPA & DHA. These fatty acids play a protective and therapeutic role in a wide range of diseases: cancer, asthma, depression, cardiovascular disease, ADHD, and autoimmune diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis.

While it is possible for some alpha-linolenic acid from plant foods to be converted into EPA & DHA, that conversion is poor in humans: between 5-10% for EPA and 2-5% for DHA. Vegetarians have 30% lower levels of EPA & DHA than omnivores, while vegans have 50% lower EPA and nearly 60% lower DHA. Moreover, the conversion of ALA to DHA depends on zinc, iron and pyridoxine—nutrients which vegetarians and vegans are less likely than omnivores to get enough of.

A and D
Perhaps the biggest problem with vegetarian and vegan diets, however, is their near total lack of two fat-soluble vitamins: A and D. Fat-soluble vitamins play numerous and critical roles in human health. Vitamin A promotes healthy immune function, fertility, eyesight and skin. Vitamin D regulates calcium metabolism, regulates immune function, reduces inflammation and protects against some forms of cancer.

These important fat-soluble vitamins are concentrated, and in some cases found almost exclusively, in animal foods: primarily seafood, organ meats, eggs and dairy products. Some obscure species of mushrooms can provide large amounts of vitamin D, but these mushrooms are rarely consumed and often difficult to obtain. (This explains why vitamin D levels are 58% lower in vegetarians and 74% lower in vegans than in omnivores.)

The idea that plant foods contain vitamin A is a common misconception. Plants contain beta-carotene, the precursor to active vitamin A (retinol). While beta-carotene is converted into vitamin A in humans, the conversion is inefficient. For example, a single serving of liver per week would meet the RDA of 3,000 IU. To get the same amount from plant foods, you’d have to eat 2 cups of carrots, one cup of sweet potatoes or 2 cups of kale every day. Moreover, traditional cultures consumed up to 10 times the RDA for vitamin A. It would be nearly impossible to get this amount of vitamin A from plant foods without juicing or taking supplements.


But don’t vegetarians live longer than omnivores?

At this point you might be thinking, “Well, so what if plant-based diets are lower in some nutrients. Everyone knows vegetarians live longer than omnivores!” While it’s true that some observational studies suggest that vegetarians and vegans enjoy longer lifespans, these studies were plagued by the “healthy user bias”. The healthy user bias is the scientific way of saying that people who engage in one behavior that is perceived as healthy (whether it is or not) are more likely to engage in other behaviors that are healthy. For example, vegetarians tend to be more health conscious on average than general population; they are less likely to smoke or drink excessively and more likely to exercise, eat fruits and vegetables and take care of themselves.

Of course the flip-side is also true: those that engage in behaviors perceived to be unhealthy are more likely to engage in other unhealthy behaviors. The healthy user bias is one of the main reasons it’s so difficult to infer causality from observational studies. For example, say a study shows that eating processed meats like bacon and hot dogs increases your risk of heart disease. Let’s also say, as the healthy user bias predicts, that those who eat more bacon and hot dogs also eat a lot more refined flour (hot dog and hamburger buns), sugar and industrial seed oils, and a lot less fresh fruits, vegetables and soluble fiber. They also drink and smoke more, exercise less and generally do not take care of themselves very well. How do we know, then, that it’s the processed meat that is increasing the risk of heart disease rather than these other things—or perhaps some combination of these other things and the processed meat?

One way to answer that question is to design a study that attempts to control for at least some of the healthy user bias. In other words, instead of comparing the “average” meat eater (who tends to be less health conscious) with the “average” vegetarian (who tends to be more health conscious), what happens when you compare vegetarians and omnivores that are both health-conscious?

Thankfully, we have a study that did just that. It compared the mortality of people who shopped in health food stores (both vegetarians and omnivores) to people in the general population. This was a clever study design. People who shop in health food stores are more likely to be health conscious, regardless of whether they eat meat, which reduces the likelihood that the study results will be thrown off by the “healthy user bias”. What did the researchers find? Both vegetarians and omnivores in the health food store group lived longer than people in the general population—not surprising given their higher level of health consciousness—but there was no survival difference between vegetarians or omnivores. Nor was there any difference in rates of heart disease or stroke between the two groups.  In other words, omnivores who are health conscious live just as long as vegetarians that are health conscious.

Final thoughts
With care and attention, I think it’s possible to meet nutrient needs with a vegetarian diet that includes liberal amounts of pasture-raised, full-fat dairy and eggs, with one exception: EPA and DHA. These long-chain omega fats are found exclusively in marine algae and fish and shellfish, so the only way to get them on a vegetarian diet would be to take a microalgae supplement (which contains DHA) or bend the rules and take fish oil or cod liver oil as a supplement. Still, while it may be possible to obtain adequate nutrition on a vegetarian diet, it is not optimal—as the research above indicates.

I do not think it’s possible to meet nutrient needs on a vegan diet without supplements—and quite a few of them. Vegan diets are low in B12, biovailable iron and zinc, choline, vitamin A & D, calcium, and EPA and DHA. So if you’re intent on following a vegan diet, make sure you are supplementing with those nutrients.

It’s worth pointing out that there are genetic differences that affect the conversion of certain nutrient precursors (like beta-carotene and alpha-linolenic acid) into the active forms of those nutrients (like retinol and EPA and DHA, respectively), and these differences may affect how long someone will be able to follow a vegetarian or vegan diet before they develop nutrient deficiencies. This explains why some people seem to do well for years on these diets, while others develop problems very quickly.

From an evolutionary perspective, is difficult to justify a diet with low levels of several nutrients critical to human function. While it may be possible to address these shortcomings through targeted supplementation (an issue that is still debated), it makes far more sense to meet nutritional needs from food. This is especially important for children, who are still developing and are even more sensitive to suboptimal intake of the nutrients discussed in this article. Like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. Unfortunately, many are not aware of the potential for nutrient deficiencies posed by their dietary choices.





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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Shroomism]
    #23964283 - 12/28/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Regarding calcium, I already addressed that point. Apparently calcium intake from dairy is associated with osteoporosis and increased bone fracture risk. People who don't drink dairy actually have lower rates of osteoporosis than people who do drink it:

http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9224182

It is not necessary to get Vitamin D from meat either, in fact you can get vitamin D from simply exposing yourself to the sun. There are also many vegetables high in vitamin A, carrots, kale, okra, eggplant, potato, asparagus, broccoli, etc. and the list isn't short either.

Regarding omega-3's, you can get those from consuming healthy types of fats such as nuts, olive oil, or hemp seed oil. One could easily argue that fish has been so overly polluted with mercury, radiation, among other toxins, that you really can't say it's healthy anymore to consume fish.

While the part about B12 is true, simply because only animal products contain vitamin B12, high protein diets are also associated with bad cholesterol levels, and kidney and liver disease such as liver cancer. (I mentioned how Mongolians eat a primarily dairy and meat diet, and they have some of the highest liver cancer rates in the world).

Not only that, but the last study that you linked seems to suggest that adding fruits is beneficial to your health:

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Within the cohort, daily consumption of fresh fruit was associated with significantly reduced mortality from ischaemic heart disease (rate ratio adjusted for smoking 0.76 (95% confidence interval 0.60 to 0.97)), cerebrovascular disease (0.68 (0.47 to 0.98)), and for all causes combined (0.79 (0.70 to 0.90)).
CONCLUSIONS:
In this cohort of health conscious individuals, daily consumption of fresh fruit is associated with a reduced mortality from ischaemic heart disease, cerebrovascular disease, and all causes combined.




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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23964288 - 12/28/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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skinny doesnt mean healthy




They're healthier because they're less likely to suffer from obesity-related diseases, such as diabetes or cardiac issues.




if 35% of the US is overweight that means that 65% is not overweight, given that the
vast majority of them eat meat, again, being skinny doent mean healthy, most vegans
do in fact suffer from nutrient deficiencies and believe it or not, there are plenty
of disease related to vegan diets, you may be unawaqre of it but vegan diets only
decrease the risk of developing heart disease and type 2 diabetes and only by
about 25%,

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People who are vegans and vegetarians are more likely to live longer, that is something that has been documented.




these are the kind of horse shit statements I hate. health nuts eating healthy
diets drop dead at pretty young ages quite frequently, an engineer I worked with,
32 years old, athletic and very active, he just got married a couple of months
before he died.

stop shopping for this information on the internet, yes, eating vegan/vegetarian
can in fact work well for some by decreasing some risk factors, typically it only
works well for those that can afford it. genetics can still kick your ass no
matter what you do with your life and it's the one factor you cannot overcome, you
can only try to prevent


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23964290 - 12/28/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Whole-sale Bag o' Dicks

Always get the local organic variety, none of that processed frozen or "dick n' a can" garbage


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Crystal G]
    #23964384 - 12/29/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No one is arguing that eating fruits isn't good for your health. We are talking about omnivores vs vegans/vegetarians.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23964408 - 12/29/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Whole-sale Bag o' Dicks






have you tried the soy based gluten free bag o'dicks?

shit is best left on the shelf homie


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #23964423 - 12/29/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Gross, those arent even real dicks

Still not as bad as pickled dicks though


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Shroomism]
    #23964493 - 12/29/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm vegan and I supplement b12 dha/epa calcium and carnosine. I get my vitamins and minerals from organic foods. I'm getting blood work done here in the next 6 months to see where I'm at.

Before I did this I had microsCopic blood found in my urine. That's also gonna get looked into.


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Re: Nasty Food Stuff and Groceries You Should Avoid [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23964503 - 12/29/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Whole-sale Bag o' Dicks

Always get the local organic variety, none of that processed frozen or "dick n' a can" garbage



I prefer my dick in a box.


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