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Bad Trip Recovery
#23952639 - 12/23/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey. i really really need advice with some recovery from a bad trip i had this summer. i'm not the smartest when it comes to psychedelics. i've dropped acid 6 different times, didn't really space it out and i've done shrooms once. i've only had one good experience w lsd, and had a good trip w shrooms. well, i had a trip on july 18th of this year when i was off two tabs of acid w a group of friends. i dropped at 9:20 pm (2 tabs) and things got really bad. right after dropping me and my friends went to a room and we all smoked a lot of weed idk how much lol and we also put wax on top of the bowls we smoked. we began to draw and paint you know good vibes and shit listening to music. well, i began to trip and i noticed i was drawing backwards. that wasn't a big deal, until i noticed i kept getting stuck in loops. when i trip (idk why this happens) but when people talk to me, this really weird shit happens where they continue to go back and forth but they keep repeating what they said in different ways. it's almost as if i forget the subject they're talking about so they keep describing it in different ways, if that makes sense. and when this happens it REALLY fucks with me, i feel this deep fear, like a life threatening i'm going crazy i'm insane and i'm gonna die life isn't real fear. and i begin hearing this buzzing noise and time feels soooooo much slower. this began happening, until i completely lost touch w reality. i don't remember much of what i was seeing; but i was calling myself different names and acting crazy as hell. my friends took me for a drive and halfway through i completely forgot who i was, who i was with, why we were in a car, where we were going.. and i didn't end up remembering for the rest of the trip. i began hearing voices telling me they were gonna murder me and i swear to GOD it was coming from my friends. i tried jumping out of the car as it was moving so they pulled me back in and held me down until we got back to the house. when we got back i went into full panic mode bc i thought they were gonna kill me, i tried leaving the house and when my friend pulled me inside i punched her in the face and locked myself in the bathroom. i stayed in the bathroom for what felt like years just tripping, and when i went to find them they locked themselves in a room. i don't remember why but i began screaming "i'm on acid" at the top of my lungs. i literally broke the door down and ran into the room; i approached one of my friends and he screamed and kicked me so hard i hit a wall and bruised a rib. this moment kept looping, him screaming and kicking me but i felt no pain. the neighbors heard me screaming and called the cops. when the cops approached me i punched one of them, and fought with my whole life against them. it took 7 of them to hold me down and sedate me w benzos to get me to calm down. i woke up in the hospital. i didn't notice any after effects until recently. whenever i smoke, or drink, i trip out. sometimes things loop, and every single time i dab w friends that thing where they keep explaining the same thing over and over again in different ways happens, it brings me fear. i now suffer from PTSD and i'm on xanax for it. i question if the world is real all the fucking time and i get stuck in loops and go brain dead from time to time and its honestly driving me so fucking crazy i get so scared. is this normal? can someone please help me? what can i do to make these thoughts and flashbacks go away? does it get better? i just need answers and advice. i'm a teenage girl if that helps w any information you might need. thank you.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
#23952708 - 12/23/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Heyya, So I actually made an account just to respond to you. I have had similar experiences with psychedelic flash backs and it can be a scary experience. I found the state of getting inebriated or high would bring me into a mental state not unlike the overbearing paranoia I felt whilst on the bad lsd trip. If it is a problem that you really do not like facing maybe take a break from any mind altering substance. I hope to reassure you that whilst my flashbacks can happen a year on, they are not in my a oppinion a harmful thing unless you notice a deterioration of mental health or they become frequent. They say you never truly come back once you have a powerful trip. Sending best wishes and hoping you a safe conclusion.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
#23952718 - 12/23/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, don't take this the wrong way i'm not trying to be mean to you or any thing, but your Ego is punishing you and telling you "you fucked up big time" Your going to have to accept the consequences. we chose our actions in life but we do not chose the consequences of our actions.
Your going to have to power through the fear and punishment. Just start small as if your a first time user. small amounts of weed, accept the fear and punishment it will go away in time.
Also listen to your ego about this matter. i hope you learned from this experience more does not always equal better. That is what your Ego is also trying to tell you. Take it's advice or suffer the consequences.
What happened to you happens to me if i use to much D.M.T.
I hope i didn't sound like a Dick to you i'm just trying to help, good luck next time.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: Gob]
#23952736 - 12/23/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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thank you so much i appreciate it
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
#23952825 - 12/23/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If to trip again, keep a xanax by you. Better yet, the LSD gave you this anxiety. I would try to get off these pills by planning an LSDpsychotherapy session with some good other people, or by yourself, with hopes to rid of these mental disease you have.
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I heartily recommend Richard Bandler and NLP. In my experience there is nothing better than NLP for feeling great.
He has several free videos on youtube. Heres a relevant few for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_RQxt0Wcgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkrLOlx30c8
I think you can find some of his longer stuff with a youtube search filtered for longer than 20 min.
I would recommend one of his trance tapes like the medicine show, or his neuro-hypnotic repatterning videos if you want to learn to feel awesome on your own.
NLP works with trance states to help people to stop using their brain in unpleasant ways, and start using your mind in ways that are pleasurable and functional.
http://www.richardbandler.com
I am not in any way affiliated with Bandler, btw. I am also not a doctor or psychologist to my credit.
Also I am of the opinion that teenagers should not take Psychedelics without Shamanic supervision.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
#23953227 - 12/24/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bdodes said: hey. i really really need advice with some recovery from a bad trip i had this summer. i'm not the smartest when it comes to psychedelics. i've dropped acid 6 different times, didn't really space it out and i've done shrooms once. i've only had one good experience w lsd, and had a good trip w shrooms. well, i had a trip on july 18th of this year when i was off two tabs of acid w a group of friends. i dropped at 9:20 pm (2 tabs) and things got really bad. right after dropping me and my friends went to a room and we all smoked a lot of weed idk how much lol and we also put wax on top of the bowls we smoked. we began to draw and paint you know good vibes and shit listening to music. well, i began to trip and i noticed i was drawing backwards. that wasn't a big deal, until i noticed i kept getting stuck in loops. when i trip (idk why this happens) but when people talk to me, this really weird shit happens where they continue to go back and forth but they keep repeating what they said in different ways. it's almost as if i forget the subject they're talking about so they keep describing it in different ways, if that makes sense. and when this happens it REALLY fucks with me, i feel this deep fear, like a life threatening i'm going crazy i'm insane and i'm gonna die life isn't real fear. and i begin hearing this buzzing noise and time feels soooooo much slower. this began happening, until i completely lost touch w reality. i don't remember much of what i was seeing; but i was calling myself different names and acting crazy as hell. my friends took me for a drive and halfway through i completely forgot who i was, who i was with, why we were in a car, where we were going.. and i didn't end up remembering for the rest of the trip. i began hearing voices telling me they were gonna murder me and i swear to GOD it was coming from my friends. i tried jumping out of the car as it was moving so they pulled me back in and held me down until we got back to the house. when we got back i went into full panic mode bc i thought they were gonna kill me, i tried leaving the house and when my friend pulled me inside i punched her in the face and locked myself in the bathroom. i stayed in the bathroom for what felt like years just tripping, and when i went to find them they locked themselves in a room. i don't remember why but i began screaming "i'm on acid" at the top of my lungs. i literally broke the door down and ran into the room; i approached one of my friends and he screamed and kicked me so hard i hit a wall and bruised a rib. this moment kept looping, him screaming and kicking me but i felt no pain. the neighbors heard me screaming and called the cops. when the cops approached me i punched one of them, and fought with my whole life against them. it took 7 of them to hold me down and sedate me w benzos to get me to calm down. i woke up in the hospital. i didn't notice any after effects until recently. whenever i smoke, or drink, i trip out. sometimes things loop, and every single time i dab w friends that thing where they keep explaining the same thing over and over again in different ways happens, it brings me fear. i now suffer from PTSD and i'm on xanax for it. i question if the world is real all the fucking time and i get stuck in loops and go brain dead from time to time and its honestly driving me so fucking crazy i get so scared. is this normal? can someone please help me? what can i do to make these thoughts and flashbacks go away? does it get better? i just need answers and advice. i'm a teenage girl if that helps w any information you might need. thank you.
I had almost the exact same expierence but without cops getting invloved. Everything still kinda does the loop, even sober, I'll have to ask a friend what the said sometimes because in my mind I heard it the opposite way. My whole trip that caused this was either on 4 or 8 tabs 100 micrograms each (I know huge range, it's one or the other idk). It got bad quick. I took 1 and it didn't feel like any acid I've ever had, to this day I think it was 25-I but I don't know, we'll it kinda freaked me out at first but I shook it off as I was having a good trip. I took more later and absolutely lost it. Every little thing was doing the loop I couldnt escape it and nothing wor ked everything was broken I couldn't interact with anything. At my peak I thought the acid was laced with fentynoal (I had just watched the vice documentery 2 days beforehand) and I had overdose and died and my girlfrind and family and my friend who was there was surrounded around me all crying saying "why why did have to take it he knew it was a bad idea why couldn't he have been able to handle life like a normal person" and various things of th sort. I tbought I was in hell and I was trapped in an infinite loop with my family and friends to show me how much I had fucked up and I kept apologizing to everyone over and over and trying to have fun with them now that I could but I just felt so bad that in the real world I had caused everyone so much pain. It was all a blurr all I remember is waking up in my bed sober having no idea what just happened. Not knowing if anything was real. Before I go into my recovery I want to point out factors that make my situation different then yours, before I start dosage is irrelevent it's the trip you had that makes the impact not how much clear liquid you put on your tongue. The first I think is that I don't think mine was really LSD, I didn't really have a bad trip till something had gone wrong while I was tripping, it sounds like you are more prone to bad expierence as almost all of mine have been amazing,another huge one is I have had amazing life changing good trips before this, far from the first time I did LSD, so I probably had a better understanding of how to handle it after, another is I was already commitied to the psychedelic, shamanistic lifestyle and I wanted to be able to trip again even thought every part of me said to never even smoke weed again for the longest time. The elephant in the room is that yours was worse then mine in every way however I share key aspects of it like very few do (at least I think). I had trouble even smoking weed for 6 months and didn't trip for over a year, which I's saying a lot for me. My recover started wit the hardest phase... wating... for awhile there is nkthing you can do but tell yourself your OK and wait. It sucks, to stare your girlfriend in the face and in the back of your mind wonder if your actually with her or not, wonder if she's looking at you smiling or crying over your dead body wishing she had never dated a druggie. Talking to your best friend wondering if he's really there or your stuck in purgitory for all eternity. My adivice in this state is to talk to people and get close to everyone. When someone made an illogical or random comment it flipped me out alot. Like there just holograms and one had a glitch. To avoid this get into deep conversations about anything with anyone, anyone talking to yu about your life helps, at least for me it showed me that they're really there, how else cold they be so fluent and easy talking to me. How else would they know the things about me they do. How could a hologram or helusantion be that vivid and perfect. Do things that make sense. Do things that probe your there. Cause something. MoSt times in life we are on the receiving end of something. If you cause an event it shows you that you did something very real. Cause events to happen. Give yourself a sense of control. These are things to do in the waiting phase... the next is the reconstruction. You bulk yourself back up. Assuming you are or used to smoke weed, my advice is to smoke weed, show yourself even in an alterd state of mind your ok, that you can let things happen around and and that sometimes things won't make sense, this phase is hard and you can do it without weed but to me it's a lot harder. Somehow show yourself that even when tired or not all alert things are ok, show yoitself things that don't make sense are real, show yourself that even when your kinda spacey and not all there be it stoned or lack of sleep that everyone you love is still around you and your concious has NOTHING to do with them. This phase is slightly different if your like me and want to be able to trip balls again but it sounds like you don't so it will hopefully be quicker. The third phase is realization, that after all this time your ok. That after so long you are finally back. This phase is harder then it seems. For me the shift in conciousness from tippy to normal threw me off because I become used to me unreal mindstate. This can make it hard bit you will get over it in time and when this phase is over you will feel mucu better. If you ever want to trip again like me (which I have multiple times now) then some of this might be harder but at the same time for me it made it easier because at the end of phase three a low dose mushroom trip really cleaned out the cob-webb's bit be caregulated because a trip soon after can also be a very very bad idea. If you do make sure it's a low dose. It helped me but I don't know if you want to do it again.
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Sorry about the spelling I used the spell check thing. Nothing popped up in red. But ya for me the most important part is remebering that at any given moment your individual conciousness does NOT effect the things around you at all.
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One more thing is I completely forgot who I was. The only person I knew was my girlfriend. Nobody else. All I knew is I fucked up.
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this brought me so much comfort and makes me feel like things will be okay at some point, thank you so much i appreciate it and that was good advice. you have no idea how much that actually helps, stay up my friend
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
#23955800 - 12/25/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Always happy to help. I'm glad I was able to make such a difference.
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I normally dont make that many posts but when I saw this I felt an odd similarity in the descipition of our experiences. I hope in time you start to feel better, I'm sure you will though this has happened to some of my friends and in a year or so they all got over it. It took me a little longer then a year but not to bad. I still kinda have this utter terror from the experience burned in my mind but it's just a bad memory at this point.
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...simply take it or leave it. (excerpt from Longchenpa's writings)... one way to recover from a bad trip or any other experience in life...it goes..
May all beings without exception perceive All situations as unoriginated illusory evanescence, and achieve higher and higher understanding beautified by the buddha-trikaya.
Abandoning the intellect that craves security in what is only dream, magic show, mirage, reflection, echo and apparition, let primal awareness and spontaneity regain their primacy.
Once obsessed by the carnal city and emotions, now fled from the thick jungle of uncertainty to cool groves far distant, let the heavens extol and acclaim those babes.
May this, my mind, loathing distraction, in happy seclusion in the peaceful forest, focussing only upon real meaning, achieve the immaculate insight of the exalted.
In this forest of flowers, leaves and fruit, enhanced by the clear waters of a renunciate lifestyle, may this my embodiment of unique occasion and right juncture, walk the path of freedom to the treasure of profound meaning.
In this brief transit, until I attain my goal, practicing virtue in this world of men, on the path of peace, realizing skillful means, may I release incalculable beings from this fictive world. This method is the essence of the buddhas' profound teaching and as it carries the import of all experiential truth, with desire for freedom, we should strive from the heart, day and night, without slackening, living it fully.
Those of later generations, fortunate and faithful, should depend upon these words at all times, and crossing over the worldly ocean of self and other, the dual purpose of all beings is spontaneously achieved.
This yogi with all-penetrating eyes, seeing the meaning of sutra and tantra and the essential meaning of all precepts, Drimey Wozer, graced by stainless radiance, composed this text in a cave at Gangri Tokar.
This sun of dharma with its myriad stainless rays - primal awareness shining-dispels the darkness of unknowing, emptying the ocean of samsara to its last drop, revealing the unbounded continent of freedom.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
#23956797 - 12/25/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The time looping thing is extremely common with LSD, things just repeat over and over again however I find it kind of baffling that anyone would experience that as an after effect. I've never heard of that and I don't really understand how that's possible but okay.
It's pretty commonly understood and recognized that weed gives different effects after psychedelic use and in some cases even alcohol and all other psychoactives. I find weed to give me more of the psychedelic resurfacing than dabs though. Something about smoking the cannabis plant as a whole can trip me up in ways that even big dabs can't. The feeling with dabs is more pure but weed feels more mind altering to me.
Also you're an idiot for punching multiple people and saying you were having a bad trip is not an excuse. Bad trips, even nightmarish ones do not cause violent reactions in people they kill your ego, you're more likely to hurt yourself than anyone else. 99% of the time hitting someone or causing violence to others will just make an already bad trip much MUCH worse so it would make no sense someone having a bad trip would do that. And it doesn't make you unaware of what's going on a around you, it doesn't matter how twisted you are. If you're sober enough to be running around punching people then you're definitely sober enough to know when someone's a cop.
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Good news: Things will get better, you'll be amazed how much the brain can recover after time.
The hard part (or the news you might NOT want to hear): Talk to a good psychotherapist and slowly get off the xanax, they might make things worse, way worse. Stay off any drugs, maybe forever. No matter if legal or illegal... avoid. As an alternative there's sports, meditation, relationships, career, yabbayabbayounameit. Boring, yes, but this is the answer of an adult to your questions.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
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It seems to me it was probably the combination with strong hits of cannabis that caused this reaction, some people are fine with it but I've read so many trip reports that went south after people smoked. If cannabis contributed to your experience, it makes sense that using it afterwards may bring those thoughts and feelings back. Maybe it's a good idea to have a break from everything - get plenty of rest, exercise and eat well. Quality sleep in particular is important with recovery. I'd also talk to your doctor about getting off benzos in the long run, which are really only covering up the anxiety.
It will pass with time, when you feel anxious just try to stay calm and not react to your thoughts and feelings, the more you think of it as negative the more you can energize that view, the more you stay calm and open the sooner it will pass, and everything always passes. Meditation practices can help you to find your calm centre.
All the best.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: Satya]
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Anaman said: I'd also talk to your doctor about getting off benzos in the long run, which are really only covering up the anxiety.
Benzos dull the mind though so it might be good for an HPPD type scenario. I think benzos are actually fairly effective antipsychotics.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: The time looping thing is extremely common with LSD, things just repeat over and over again however I find it kind of baffling that anyone would experience that as an after effect. I've never heard of that and I don't really understand how that's possible but okay.
It's pretty commonly understood and recognized that weed gives different effects after psychedelic use and in some cases even alcohol and all other psychoactives. I find weed to give me more of the psychedelic resurfacing than dabs though. Something about smoking the cannabis plant as a whole can trip me up in ways that even big dabs can't. The feeling with dabs is more pure but weed feels more mind altering to me.
Also you're an idiot for punching multiple people and saying you were having a bad trip is not an excuse. Bad trips, even nightmarish ones do not cause violent reactions in people they kill your ego, you're more likely to hurt yourself than anyone else. 99% of the time hitting someone or causing violence to others will just make an already bad trip much MUCH worse so it would make no sense someone having a bad trip would do that. And it doesn't make you unaware of what's going on a around you, it doesn't matter how twisted you are. If you're sober enough to be running around punching people then you're definitely sober enough to know when someone's a cop.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: The time looping thing is extremely common with LSD, things just repeat over and over again however I find it kind of baffling that anyone would experience that as an after effect. I've never heard of that and I don't really understand how that's possible but okay.
It's pretty commonly understood and recognized that weed gives different effects after psychedelic use and in some cases even alcohol and all other psychoactives. I find weed to give me more of the psychedelic resurfacing than dabs though. Something about smoking the cannabis plant as a whole can trip me up in ways that even big dabs can't. The feeling with dabs is more pure but weed feels more mind altering to me.
Also you're an idiot for punching multiple people and saying you were having a bad trip is not an excuse. Bad trips, even nightmarish ones do not cause violent reactions in people they kill your ego, you're more likely to hurt yourself than anyone else. 99% of the time hitting someone or causing violence to others will just make an already bad trip much MUCH worse so it would make no sense someone having a bad trip would do that. And it doesn't make you unaware of what's going on a around you, it doesn't matter how twisted you are. If you're sober enough to be running around punching people then you're definitely sober enough to know when someone's a cop.
---// i was 15. i had never punched anyone, thinking about physically injuring someone has always fucked w me because i don't like confrontation. lsd can cause SEVERE aggression and in a LOT of cases cause attacks and physical violence, even looking on this website is proof enough that it really was not something i would do as a person. i genuinely don't remember punching her either, she and the other people that were there told me. don't call me an idiot man, not cool, literally do the research and you'll see lsd is very much to blame for my violence and paranoia. i'm not like that... i'm still 15 and can't imagine punching anyone. i asked for help and advice not negativity. i appreciate your help though, thank you for your time
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
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I have done my research and already know that LSD doesn't cause irrational violence like that so thank you. Hope you get better though, THC + LSD is an infamously bad combination. Sometimes it can be great but sometimes it's just the worst mix.
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U can't blame the acid for your violence tho, it was you some people get violent after drinking a cup of coffee with sugar, don't blame the coffee
OP your problem is that you are 15 and dropped 2 tabs of acid, thats heavy
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
#23960650 - 12/27/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're 15?
You're too young to be messing with these things. Honestly, just forget about all this for a few years and then come back to the shroomery. These drugs won't go anywhere, I promise.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: Tiamo]
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Wait till your 25 and have your brain developed and have a life. Then you wont be risking as much by playing with drugs. Or just move on from drugs and live life, they are just illusory experiences from which sometimes one can see things differently, is all.
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At 15 your brain is still developing and will continue to do so until your late 20's. Add that to all the new hormones in full force at the age of 15, no wonder those things happened. You are at a point in your life that can be very volatile when using powerful substances like that. Wait until the hormones level out several years from now before you try tripping again and be responsible with it. Better yet wait 10 years that way your brain will be mostly developed.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: Rakin]
#23965106 - 12/29/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you probably just have shitty friends OP. Friends you do drugs with are rarely your "best friends" in life. There are many dimensions in this realm. Only you know what makes sense to yourself. Don't fear the other side.
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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: CIA]
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There's no one age at which the brain ceases developing - in fact it never does. A study of adults who took LSD in the womb found no statistical evidence of ill effects and in fact manifested above average results on some personality metrics. Although being teenaged is a particularly potent time for a brain in flux, so no one can dispute it's good to tread with even more caution than normal. From the perspective of a 15 year old I can't imagine doing anything about advice saying to "wait until you're older" other than ignoring it. There's no way to know how little you know or how ill equipped you are to handle things or how much older people understand things better than you, until you actually age and begin to see how lame you were only a few years ago. Occasional experimentation, say a couple times a year, isn't going to break anything, as long as your doses are sensible and infrequent.
Reading your OP, seems like you just took too much too fast, and lacked respect for what you were doing, which is a common problem of the inexperienced. The fact you smoked heavy amounts of weed, even if you do have a big tolerance, didn't help. Psychedelics can help break down the psychological tolerance to weed so all those confusion/paranoia effects that were so obvious when you first started smoking become unable to be ignored like they usually can be.
The feeling of confusion at being unable to divine the meaning of what people are saying, and reading multiple meanings into it, is an intrinsic part of the psychedelic experience, no matter how comfortable you are with the people in your session. This leads to feelings first of embarrassment that you can't keep up with conversation, aren't saying enough, aren't making sense, aren't being clever, whatever, and then feelings of paranoia when you think people are mocking you or talking about you behind your back, and since you're on psychedelics, you feel this so intensely that you start to become afraid of the feeling, and then afraid of your fear, and your heart starts racing which makes you feel you're in physical trouble, and if you don't get a handle on it you really go into a panic spiral. Or it can go the other way and you get into a joy/bliss spiral which can be just about as dangerous when you destroy your useless worldly possessions, shed your clothes, and leave the house to share the Good News with the world because the cops are powerless against your positive goodvibe blissmojo.
What I've learned is that once this starts happening, you have to recognize it and understand that it's all just transitory feelings in your head that you would normally not even consciously noticed, but magnified by the drug effect. Weed of course only magnifies this. Sometimes in the moment you can collect your thoughts, know that everything's all right, and try to think of simple things you love in life, and you'll find things take a turn for the better. If you're unable to do this, calmly get up, tell your friends you're OK and not to worry but you need to sort things out on your own for a little while, and you'll just be in this quiet unpopulated room over here on the other side of this unlocked door. Then you go in that room, you sit or lie down and concentrate on your breath going in and out (or if you have a specific meditation practice do that), continually returning your attention to the rhythm and fact of your breath, just to get your thoughts back to a neutral place, and you'll see the illusions of the previous moment for what they are.
The recurrence of psychedelic effects when smoking weed is normal also, and will diminish with time. Assuming your dose was around 200 mics, in my experience it will take around four months before you stop noticing this. If it takes longer, don't worry, it will go away, and one day you'll suddenly remember how much it stressed you at one time but it went away a while ago and you didn't even notice.
In general if you are interested in continuing to make psychedelics a part of your life, start with VERY low doses, in the 5-10 ug range, until you get a feel for the dynamics and challenges of the experience and how to overcome them in a safer context in which you're less likely to spiral out. Then when you journey farther you have a foundation of experience and self-assurance to know you can handle the things that tend to come up. The effects are all there, it's just a question of degree.
EDIT: And please my friend be very, very careful with that Xanax
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djbluntmagic said: There's no one age at which the brain ceases developing - in fact it never does. A study of adults who took LSD in the womb found no statistical evidence of ill effects and in fact manifested above average results on some personality metrics. Although being teenaged is a particularly potent time for a brain in flux, so no one can dispute it's good to tread with even more caution than normal. From the perspective of a 15 year old I can't imagine doing anything about advice saying to "wait until you're older" other than ignoring it. There's no way to know how little you know or how ill equipped you are to handle things or how much older people understand things better than you, until you actually age and begin to see how lame you were only a few years ago. Occasional experimentation, say a couple times a year, isn't going to break anything, as long as your doses are sensible and infrequent.
Reading your OP, seems like you just took too much too fast, and lacked respect for what you were doing, which is a common problem of the inexperienced. The fact you smoked heavy amounts of weed, even if you do have a big tolerance, didn't help. Psychedelics can help break down the psychological tolerance to weed so all those confusion/paranoia effects that were so obvious when you first started smoking become unable to be ignored like they usually can be.
The feeling of confusion at being unable to divine the meaning of what people are saying, and reading multiple meanings into it, is an intrinsic part of the psychedelic experience, no matter how comfortable you are with the people in your session. This leads to feelings first of embarrassment that you can't keep up with conversation, aren't saying enough, aren't making sense, aren't being clever, whatever, and then feelings of paranoia when you think people are mocking you or talking about you behind your back, and since you're on psychedelics, you feel this so intensely that you start to become afraid of the feeling, and then afraid of your fear, and your heart starts racing which makes you feel you're in physical trouble, and if you don't get a handle on it you really go into a panic spiral. Or it can go the other way and you get into a joy/bliss spiral which can be just about as dangerous when you destroy your useless worldly possessions, shed your clothes, and leave the house to share the Good News with the world because the cops are powerless against your positive goodvibe blissmojo.
What I've learned is that once this starts happening, you have to recognize it and understand that it's all just transitory feelings in your head that you would normally not even consciously noticed, but magnified by the drug effect. Weed of course only magnifies this. Sometimes in the moment you can collect your thoughts, know that everything's all right, and try to think of simple things you love in life, and you'll find things take a turn for the better. If you're unable to do this, calmly get up, tell your friends you're OK and not to worry but you need to sort things out on your own for a little while, and you'll just be in this quiet unpopulated room over here on the other side of this unlocked door. Then you go in that room, you sit or lie down and concentrate on your breath going in and out (or if you have a specific meditation practice do that), continually returning your attention to the rhythm and fact of your breath, just to get your thoughts back to a neutral place, and you'll see the illusions of the previous moment for what they are.
The recurrence of psychedelic effects when smoking weed is normal also, and will diminish with time. Assuming your dose was around 200 mics, in my experience it will take around four months before you stop noticing this. If it takes longer, don't worry, it will go away, and one day you'll suddenly remember how much it stressed you at one time but it went away a while ago and you didn't even notice.
In general if you are interested in continuing to make psychedelics a part of your life, start with VERY low doses, in the 5-10 ug range, until you get a feel for the dynamics and challenges of the experience and how to overcome them in a safer context in which you're less likely to spiral out. Then when you journey farther you have a foundation of experience and self-assurance to know you can handle the things that tend to come up. The effects are all there, it's just a question of degree.
EDIT: And please my friend be very, very careful with that Xanax
Nice observation.
I always hear rumors that psychedelic drugs cause all sorts of brain damage. 
Somebody once told me that lsd causes your brain to bleed and the hallucinations are caused by the blood dripping down your spinal cord.
Rumors like this are absolutely ridiculous and I knew that at the time due to having read erowid. 
Peoples bodies just process LSD as a hormone/neurotransmitter similar to melatonin, seratonin and DMT. 
There is no scientific evidence that LSD, Psilocybin, Mescaline, and THC cause any harm whatsoever in developing brains or not. 
Timothy Leary was even known to give LSD to young children during some of his ceremonies. 
Of course, there are many things science does not understand, like all of the psychic phenomenon reported on LSD, or even most of the psychological phenomenon reported on LSD. 
I asked a few friends about their LSD experiences and discovered that many had indeed felt electric sensations in their spinal column on LSD. 
As I have said I knew that their brains were not bleeding, and I also knew a bit about tantric meditation. 
There is a phenomenon called the kundalini, which occurs during seccessful tantric practice, which is often described along the same terms as an LSD trip, often with a more heavy emphasis on the spinal sensations. 
After some experimentation I discovered (in my opinion) that there does seem to be a link to the Psychedelic experience and the Kundalini experience. 
Scientific studies of kundalini tend to show spikes in glandular activity, including pineal activity, which explains the similarity in the nature of the visionary experience. 
Due to the hormonal nature of the kundalini, many experts recommend that teenagers refrain from kundalini meditation until they are at least 18 years of age, as teenagers tend to have plenty of hormonal activity already. 
I have always wondered if the psychedelic experience might include similar hormonal spikes.
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