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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: bdodes]
    #23960650 - 12/27/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're 15?  :shiftyeyes:

You're too young to be messing with these things. Honestly, just forget about all this for a few years and then come back to the shroomery. These drugs won't go anywhere, I promise.


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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: Tiamo]
    #23960691 - 12/27/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Wait till your 25 and have your brain developed and have a life.  Then you wont be risking as much by playing with drugs.  Or just move on from drugs and live life, they are just illusory experiences from which sometimes one can see things differently, is all.


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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23960786 - 12/27/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

At 15 your brain is still developing and will continue to do so until your late 20's. Add that to all the new hormones in full force at the age of 15, no wonder those things happened. You are at a point in your life that can be very volatile when using powerful substances like that. Wait until the hormones level out several years from now before you try tripping again and be responsible with it.  Better yet wait 10 years that way your brain will be mostly developed.


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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: Rakin]
    #23965106 - 12/29/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think you probably just have shitty friends OP. Friends you do drugs with are rarely your "best friends" in life. There are many dimensions in this realm. Only you know what makes sense to yourself. Don't fear the other side.


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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: CIA]
    #23965216 - 12/29/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There's no one age at which the brain ceases developing - in fact it never does. A study of adults who took LSD in the womb found no statistical evidence of ill effects and in fact manifested above average results on some personality metrics. Although being teenaged is a particularly potent time for a brain in flux, so no one can dispute it's good to tread with even more caution than normal. From the perspective of a 15 year old I can't imagine doing anything about advice saying to "wait until you're older" other than ignoring it. There's no way to know how little you know or how ill equipped you are to handle things or how much older people understand things better than you, until you actually age and begin to see how lame you were only a few years ago. Occasional experimentation, say a couple times a year, isn't going to break anything, as long as your doses are sensible and infrequent.

Reading your OP, seems like you just took too much too fast, and lacked respect for what you were doing, which is a common problem of the inexperienced. The fact you smoked heavy amounts of weed, even if you do have a big tolerance, didn't help. Psychedelics can help break down the psychological tolerance to weed so all those confusion/paranoia effects that were so obvious when you first started smoking become unable to be ignored like they usually can be.

The feeling of confusion at being unable to divine the meaning of what people are saying, and reading multiple meanings into it, is an intrinsic part of the psychedelic experience, no matter how comfortable you are with the people in your session. This leads to feelings first of embarrassment that you can't keep up with conversation, aren't saying enough, aren't making sense, aren't being clever, whatever, and then feelings of paranoia when you think people are mocking you or talking about you behind your back, and since you're on psychedelics, you feel this so intensely that you start to become afraid of the feeling, and then afraid of your fear, and your heart starts racing which makes you feel you're in physical trouble, and if you don't get a handle on it you really go into a panic spiral. Or it can go the other way and you get into a joy/bliss spiral which can be just about as dangerous when you destroy your useless worldly possessions, shed your clothes, and leave the house to share the Good News with the world because the cops are powerless against your positive goodvibe blissmojo.

What I've learned is that once this starts happening, you have to recognize it and understand that it's all just transitory feelings in your head that you would normally not even consciously noticed, but magnified by the drug effect. Weed of course only magnifies this. Sometimes in the moment you can collect your thoughts, know that everything's all right, and try to think of simple things you love in life, and you'll find things take a turn for the better. If you're unable to do this, calmly get up, tell your friends you're OK and not to worry but you need to sort things out on your own for a little while, and you'll just be in this quiet unpopulated room over here on the other side of this unlocked door. Then you go in that room, you sit or lie down and concentrate on your breath going in and out (or if you have a specific meditation practice do that), continually returning your attention to the rhythm and fact of your breath, just to get your thoughts back to a neutral place, and you'll see the illusions of the previous moment for what they are.

The recurrence of psychedelic effects when smoking weed is normal also, and will diminish with time. Assuming your dose was around 200 mics, in my experience it will take around four months before you stop noticing this. If it takes longer, don't worry, it will go away, and one day you'll suddenly remember how much it stressed you at one time but it went away a while ago and you didn't even notice.

In general if you are interested in continuing to make psychedelics a part of your life, start with VERY low doses, in the 5-10 ug range, until you get a feel for the dynamics and challenges of the experience and how to overcome them in a safer context in which you're less likely to spiral out. Then when you journey farther you have a foundation of experience and self-assurance to know you can handle the things that tend to come up. The effects are all there, it's just a question of degree.

EDIT: And please my friend be very, very careful with that Xanax


Edited by djbluntmagic (12/29/16 11:00 AM)


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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: djbluntmagic]
    #23966061 - 12/29/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Friends you do drugs with are rarely your "best friends" in life.



really depends which drugs.


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Re: Bad Trip Recovery [Re: djbluntmagic]
    #23966177 - 12/29/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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djbluntmagic said:
There's no one age at which the brain ceases developing - in fact it never does. A study of adults who took LSD in the womb found no statistical evidence of ill effects and in fact manifested above average results on some personality metrics. Although being teenaged is a particularly potent time for a brain in flux, so no one can dispute it's good to tread with even more caution than normal. From the perspective of a 15 year old I can't imagine doing anything about advice saying to "wait until you're older" other than ignoring it. There's no way to know how little you know or how ill equipped you are to handle things or how much older people understand things better than you, until you actually age and begin to see how lame you were only a few years ago. Occasional experimentation, say a couple times a year, isn't going to break anything, as long as your doses are sensible and infrequent.

Reading your OP, seems like you just took too much too fast, and lacked respect for what you were doing, which is a common problem of the inexperienced. The fact you smoked heavy amounts of weed, even if you do have a big tolerance, didn't help. Psychedelics can help break down the psychological tolerance to weed so all those confusion/paranoia effects that were so obvious when you first started smoking become unable to be ignored like they usually can be.

The feeling of confusion at being unable to divine the meaning of what people are saying, and reading multiple meanings into it, is an intrinsic part of the psychedelic experience, no matter how comfortable you are with the people in your session. This leads to feelings first of embarrassment that you can't keep up with conversation, aren't saying enough, aren't making sense, aren't being clever, whatever, and then feelings of paranoia when you think people are mocking you or talking about you behind your back, and since you're on psychedelics, you feel this so intensely that you start to become afraid of the feeling, and then afraid of your fear, and your heart starts racing which makes you feel you're in physical trouble, and if you don't get a handle on it you really go into a panic spiral. Or it can go the other way and you get into a joy/bliss spiral which can be just about as dangerous when you destroy your useless worldly possessions, shed your clothes, and leave the house to share the Good News with the world because the cops are powerless against your positive goodvibe blissmojo.

What I've learned is that once this starts happening, you have to recognize it and understand that it's all just transitory feelings in your head that you would normally not even consciously noticed, but magnified by the drug effect. Weed of course only magnifies this. Sometimes in the moment you can collect your thoughts, know that everything's all right, and try to think of simple things you love in life, and you'll find things take a turn for the better. If you're unable to do this, calmly get up, tell your friends you're OK and not to worry but you need to sort things out on your own for a little while, and you'll just be in this quiet unpopulated room over here on the other side of this unlocked door. Then you go in that room, you sit or lie down and concentrate on your breath going in and out (or if you have a specific meditation practice do that), continually returning your attention to the rhythm and fact of your breath, just to get your thoughts back to a neutral place, and you'll see the illusions of the previous moment for what they are.

The recurrence of psychedelic effects when smoking weed is normal also, and will diminish with time. Assuming your dose was around 200 mics, in my experience it will take around four months before you stop noticing this. If it takes longer, don't worry, it will go away, and one day you'll suddenly remember how much it stressed you at one time but it went away a while ago and you didn't even notice.

In general if you are interested in continuing to make psychedelics a part of your life, start with VERY low doses, in the 5-10 ug range, until you get a feel for the dynamics and challenges of the experience and how to overcome them in a safer context in which you're less likely to spiral out. Then when you journey farther you have a foundation of experience and self-assurance to know you can handle the things that tend to come up. The effects are all there, it's just a question of degree.

EDIT: And please my friend be very, very careful with that Xanax




Nice observation.

I always hear rumors that psychedelic drugs cause all sorts of brain damage. :eek:

Somebody once told me that lsd causes your brain to bleed and the hallucinations are caused by the blood dripping down your spinal cord. 

Rumors like this are absolutely ridiculous and I knew that at the time due to having read erowid.  :rolleyes:

Peoples bodies just process LSD as a hormone/neurotransmitter similar to melatonin, seratonin and DMT.  :thumbup:

There is no scientific evidence that LSD, Psilocybin, Mescaline, and THC cause any harm whatsoever in developing brains or not.  :stoned:

Timothy Leary was even known to give LSD to young children during some of his ceremonies. :shocked:

Of course, there are many things science does not understand, like all of the psychic phenomenon reported on LSD, or even most of the psychological phenomenon reported on LSD.  :stoned:

I asked a few friends about their LSD experiences and discovered that many had indeed felt electric sensations in their spinal column on LSD.  :ooo:

As I have said I knew that their brains were not bleeding, and I also knew a bit about tantric meditation.  :cool:

There is a phenomenon called the kundalini, which occurs during seccessful tantric practice, which is often described along the same terms as an LSD trip, often with a more heavy emphasis on the spinal sensations.  :heart:

After some experimentation I discovered (in my opinion) that there does seem to be a link to the Psychedelic experience and the Kundalini experience.  :sun:

Scientific studies of kundalini tend to show spikes in glandular activity, including pineal activity, which explains the similarity in the nature of the visionary experience.  :rocket:

Due to the hormonal nature of the kundalini, many experts recommend that teenagers refrain from kundalini meditation until they are at least 18 years of age, as teenagers tend to have plenty of hormonal activity already.  :thumbup:

I have always wondered if the psychedelic experience might include similar hormonal spikes. :stoned:


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