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    #23952597 - 12/23/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So lets say I had a vial filled with 50 hits of a diluted LSD/distilled water mix, dosed to 100mcg a drop...
my idea is to buy some blotter online and drop it one by one. Would this work? if not, would sugar cubes or candy work and what is the best way to store them. Thanks fam :smile:


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: suniced]
    #23952604 - 12/23/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ya that would work, make sure that your dropper can fit on the medium though, your preference. Cool dark place for storage


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: suniced]
    #23952613 - 12/23/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Laying blotter typically involves a more volatile solvent such as EtOH (many people today lay blotters using Grey Goose vodka, often with some water added to increase the viscosity a bit). If you use plain distilled HOH it will take a very long time to dry.

You could drop it on sugar cubes or candies but it would likely start to degrade over an extended period of time. You'd be best off keeping the LSD soln in the vial and store it in a cool, dark area.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: suniced]
    #23952641 - 12/23/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Put it on candy and leave laying sheets to people with a lot more than 50 doses bro.

Sheets aren't laid by dropping a does on each hit. A "drop" is not a unit, shaky fingers are incapable of dropping two balls of water with analytical consistency, rather a set amount of Crystal is dissolved in water, the water/dose solution is poured in a small shallow pan of very similar size to the amount of paper you wanna lay, usually a page (or ten sheets) at a time. The paper page of blotter should fit very snugly into the pan and will instantly absorb most of the water/dose solution. Sloppy people w/ darkweb Xtals lay em quick, usually dip multiple sheets into the same pan and therefore have only a rough estimate of their dosage, the sheets dipped first will be stronger, prob sum liquid will be left. Pedigreed sheet layers lay a page in a exact amount of Crystal dissolved in water, then patiently leave the sheet in the pan for a day or two until all the water has evaporated, no heat cuz L is delicate. Then you have a page with a dosage you can confidently estimate.

Yes EtOH will evap faster so really works better, water works as well though.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: BlunderSoftly]
    #23952681 - 12/23/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, almost no one lays sheets by placing them into a pan containing solution. Many darknet vendors lay sheets quite accurately by hand using a pipette or even a repeating pipette.

I've never heard of anyone dipping sheets into solution to soak it up. There is a reason people don't dip them. It often results in very inaccurate doses and it is highly unlikely that you would be able to absorb all of the solution by dipping. There will be residual solution left in the pan. Sure, you could make "wash" with the excess solution but the whole process would be extremely wasteful.

No idea where you're getting your information from but that is not how sheets are laid.

Also, FWIW, a "page" is 9 sheets, not 10. It's a 30x30 grid.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: MorphMan]
    #23952715 - 12/23/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A pipette would lay out even dosages yes, but no way anyone is laying 1000 of those at a time your arm would fall off or you would loose count and skip some. Its cool that you know what a real pipette is but now that I think on it no... sucking up then plugging out anything more than a sheet or two would be so labor intensive and unrealistic. And we're not talking about a dopper, a pipette and dropper are two very diff things, no way dude has one of those laboratory analytical pipettes that you can set the volume it sucks up.

Tinfoil pan and evap, 1000 even hits at a time easy.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: BlunderSoftly]
    #23952730 - 12/23/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Your arm is not going to fall off. It's not unrealistic at all -- this is exactly how people do it. You can refuse to believe it or you can talk to people who have done it and continue to do it regularly. A certain someone posted a TeK explaining his exact methods of laying bulk amounts of LSD and it included the use of a repeating pipette. He was able to lay a gram of xtal in about 1.5 hours. 10 pages per 1.5 hours isn't too bad of a pace if you ask me.

Other experienced people have also posted TeKs that rely on a simple pipette. It takes some practice but with proper technique it is more than possible. There's a reason that everyone lays via pipette. It is the golden standard of the industry because it produces accurate doses at a consistent rate. Dipping 900 hits into a solution is not realistic at all. I encourage you to try this yourself if you don't believe me...

I'm not going to argue about this since everyone that actually lays blotter for a living uses the pipette method.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: MorphMan] * 1
    #23952765 - 12/23/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

its better to use candy if u do from a vial.

The solution of a vial is too watery for blotter application.

Good candies to drop acid on is sweet tarts, gummy bears, and gum.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: MorphMan]
    #23952792 - 12/23/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There are 10,000 units of 100 micrograms per gram of xtal. He laid 10,000 hits in 1.5 hours? So 111.11 hits a minute for 90 mins straight? No way lol, right onto 0.25x0.25' squares of paper that're all connected hell no. Pipetting 10,000 units into 10,000 test tubes would be tedious enough. If you up the dose per hit to like 300 mics then your talking 3,333 hits per gram xtal. Dude if someone is out there pipetting 3000 lil doses  one at a time good for them but fuuuuck that. 

Do people hand pipette in industry? I highly doubt it, mechanized pipettes with hundreds of heads maybe, hand pipetting is a technique used in research labs. I've seen them in Chem labs though.

You use enough liquid to have an even depth of liquid in ur pan, make sure the pan and paper are a tight squeeze. Drop the sheet on top and just let it evap under a fan.

I don't think anyone does this for a living, synth L for a living? Prob yeah, pipette L onto little squares for a living? Nope prob not even one dude.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: MorphMan]
    #23952846 - 12/23/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There will be residual solution left in the pan. Sure, you could make "wash" with the excess solution but the whole process would be extremely wasteful.

No idea where you're getting your information from but that is not how sheets are laid.

Also, FWIW, a "page" is 9 sheets, not 10. It's a 30x30 grid.




This is why I said pedigreed sheet layers wait for the solution of L to EVAPORATE, there will be no residual solution. Also the dimensions of a "page" can be whatever you want it to be. Most folks enjoy multiples of 10. After a bit of evap, slap on some gloves and flip the page while its still in the pan, idk if this makes a difference but its fun and prob makes it evaporate faster.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: BlunderSoftly]
    #23952883 - 12/23/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: MorphMan] * 1
    #23952993 - 12/23/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Your arm is not going to fall off. It's not unrealistic at all -- this is exactly how people do it. You can refuse to believe it or you can talk to people who have done it and continue to do it regularly. A certain someone posted a TeK explaining his exact methods of laying bulk amounts of LSD and it included the use of a repeating pipette. He was able to lay a gram of xtal in about 1.5 hours. 10 pages per 1.5 hours isn't too bad of a pace if you ask me.

Other experienced people have also posted TeKs that rely on a simple pipette. It takes some practice but with proper technique it is more than possible. There's a reason that everyone lays via pipette. It is the golden standard of the industry because it produces accurate doses at a consistent rate. Dipping 900 hits into a solution is not realistic at all. I encourage you to try this yourself if you don't believe me...

I'm not going to argue about this since everyone that actually lays blotter for a living uses the pipette method.




It's totally unrealistic and a waste of time. The reason sheets were used in the first place is because they are easy to produce in bulk because you can dip many at a time and don't have to count anything out (besides the sheets/pages and solution). Owsley I believe it was is quoted as saying that he first dosed candies or sugar cubes or something but found it was taking way too much time as it got more popular and he would literally have to spend all day doing it and moved to dipping sheets. The reason you don't hear about people doing it is because they don't go on public message boards and talk about it just as heroin and coke kingpins aren't on here sharing their daily operations.

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I don't think anyone does this for a living, synth L for a living? Prob yeah, pipette L onto little squares for a living? Nope prob not even one dude.





I'm sure some people do do this for a living. There are definitely people out there pipetting onto sheets. They're not ones distributing hundreds or thousands of sheets, god help them if they are, but people sell L in all types of quantities. Doing this would be at worst no more difficult than putting them on candies.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: krypto2000]
    #23953674 - 12/24/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well, tell the guy that laid these that he should've been dipping them instead... Tell him his method of using a repeating pipette is unrealistic...




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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: suniced] * 4
    #23953708 - 12/24/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So lets say I had a vial filled with 50 hits of a diluted LSD/distilled water mix, dosed to 100mcg a drop...
my idea is to buy some blotter online and drop it one by one. Would this work? if not, would sugar cubes or candy work and what is the best way to store them. Thanks fam :smile:



noooooooo!!!!!!!!

a vial is not the correct concentration for laying blotter. Do NOT do this, just use altoids or something instead.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: MorphMan] * 1
    #23953709 - 12/24/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, tell the guy that laid these that he should've been dipping them instead... Tell him his method of using a repeating pipette is unrealistic...






those guys don't really use a drop-by-drop pipette


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: MorphMan] * 1
    #23953710 - 12/24/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It is, it's just common sense as I explained. If that guy is wasting his time dropping blotter then okay, so he is, people waste time doing all kinds of things in life, that doesn't mean it's smart or common. You can plow a 5 acre field by hand with a mattock and a shovel, but why would you when you can use a tractor? How much is your time worth? You'll be plowing for months in what you otherwise could have done in a single day. What else do you want me to say? I definitely agree people drop blotter manually, but it just doesn't make sense to scale that process up but so far, that doesn't mean it's not possible to do so, it just means it's not a very intelligent thing to be doing with your time.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: krypto2000]
    #23953732 - 12/24/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I respectfully disagree, friend. We are definitely not going to agree on this one and I think it'd be best to simply forget it. FWIW, it was confirmed by the person that laid blotter for TT that he was, indeed, using a pipette to lay -- a repeating pipette; not a regular pasteur pipette or whatnot. It might not seem to make sense at first glance but it definitely worked very well for them. I wouldn't say that he was "wasting his time", though, as he was very successful at what he did.

I'm sure it comes as a surprise to learn that many, many people lay by hand but that's the truth. After some practice they're able to lay quite evenly and at a consistent speed. You can find TeKs regarding the subject if you know where to look. Hint: not on the clearnet.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: MorphMan]
    #23953749 - 12/24/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I respectfully disagree, friend. We are definitely not going to agree on this one and I think it'd be best to simply forget it. FWIW, it was confirmed by the person that laid blotter for TT that he was, indeed, using a pipette to lay -- a repeating pipette; not a regular pasteur pipette or whatnot. It might not seem to make sense at first glance but it definitely worked very well for them. I wouldn't say that he was "wasting his time", though, as he was very successful at what he did.




You disagree that it's faster and more efficient to dip than to individually blot every single dose? Really?! Do you disagree that a tractor is more efficient than some hand tools as well? I never said that guy did not lay those by hand, I said it was an inefficient way to do it and a waste of time. Just like a naive farmer who plows his farm with a mattock will still have a great crop I'm sure this guys LSD is just as good as someone who doesn't spend half their time on earth laying blotter.

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I'm sure it comes as a surprise to learn that many, many people lay by hand but that's the truth. After some practice they're able to lay quite evenly and at a consistent speed. You can find TeKs regarding the subject if you know where to look. Hint: not on the clearnet.




No, it's not a surprise at all. My very first post here and the ones since that I've agreed with you that it is common to lay blotter with a pipette. What is not common is doing it on a scale. Just as there are thousands of low level coke dealers for every large distributor or producer there are thousands of low level LSD dealers so logic dictates that there would be more people doing it by hand. Critical thinking skills.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: krypto2000]
    #23953768 - 12/24/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You obviously have no fucking clue what you're talking about. I can tell you have no experience at all actually doing this so your opinion has no merit. I was going to keep it civil but you had to be an asshole about it...

You are blatantly wrong here. If you understood what a repeating pipette was you would understand how the process would become much more streamlined. You lay blotter by going down the grid. A repeating pipette allows one to quickly and accurately drop solution onto the blotters. It is considerably faster than a traditional pipette.

You simply don't understand the concepts at play here. "Dipping" blotter into solution is not as easy as you like to think it is. If efficiency and speed are your only concerns then you might want to dip them. If you give a flying fuck at all about producing an even lay then dipping makes no sense at all. Do you understand how surface tension works?

Your claims are completely unfounded and you are just repeating random bullshit you read online that was posted by people with absolutely no real world experience.

You talk about critical thinking skills yet it's obvious you haven't actually thought about any of this at all. You're going by "common sense" yet your claims make no sense.


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Re: LSD from vial to blotter [Re: MorphMan] * 1
    #23953863 - 12/24/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I know how a pipette works lol, I use them all the time, it's not a tool that needs explaining. The fact that you think it does or that someone might not grasp the simple concept makes me think it seems complex to you. Are you going to tell me how a pencil works next? What does surface tension have to do with dipping shits? If you're talking about surface tension then I can only imagine you don't know how dipping sheets even works.


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