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Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics?
    #23951386 - 12/23/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: psychobla]
    #23951433 - 12/23/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Knowing how people understand your experience matters a lot.  It's easy to be overwhelmed and can be hard to find a balance.  Breaking thru is so transcendent it blows past illness and enters an enlightened view.  But modern people that don't know will see those enlightenments as illness.  Keep it private and responsible.  Secrets are important.  Don't get excited and think you solved the worlds problems or all of your private issues.

Know what drugs are good or bad for you.  I don't trip or smoke weed anymore.  Just due to not having easy access.  Wouldn't likely blow any doors off when on a med.  probably could try.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: psychobla]
    #23951545 - 12/23/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm in my young 20's... a common time for bipolar symptoms to develop and the last thing I want to do is throw myself into a drug induced manic episode.

But psychedelics really seem to help.

Any bipolar/ schizo veterans out there who have advice on maintaining a responsible relationship with psychedelics? Or is abstinence the answer?

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I am curious what your usual dose might be. I have suspected that quarter to half doses would be sufficient for a good and therapeutic time.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23952109 - 12/23/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Mushrooms and DMT are schizo-friendly for me.

Cannabis is total insanity.
Meth is great but the insanity is present in the come-down, tends to go away.
Never had LSD work because of medication.

I wouldn't be like these awesome dudes that push the limits of psychonautics, 5g+ etc., but the occasional low dose experiment can, yes, be good for you, especially if your mental illness is somehow related to repressed emotion or nervous system toxicity - as they do not know what schizophrenia is, it could be many, perhaps 10 different types of illnesses.

Mushrooms really give this gentle purge feeling that feels REALLY GOOD for the brain and what is wrong with it. In the days after I feel effing great. I only go 2g max dose though. I've only done it maybe 10 times. 4 highly successful experiences, in that I was actually tripping.

It's a gamble but mushrooms are good for you and your brain, it's just perhaps some forms of schizophrenia will respond very antagonistically to brain chemistry being perturbed.

There is a general common sense rule though that if you're struggling to make sense of life and enjoy it, it's not going to be any easier on shrooms. However if you take low doses and stay in bed and try to purge the emotions etc. and let the mushroom run through your body/mind, it can be really beneficial.

I'd probably never go higher than 2g since I have a HISTORY OF schizophrenia. It is pretty much gone.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23952197 - 12/23/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Psychedelics like magic mushrooms have provided some of the most beneficial insight and awareness of my life. I have a family history that includes apparent schizophrenia and from my experiences psychedelics have only helped reduce my tendencies related to bipolar 2(hypomanic).


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: psychobla]
    #23953158 - 12/24/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I am undoubtedly bipolar to some degree . . .




Isn't everyone?

These days we seem to seek labels of abnormality with passionate vigor.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: psychobla] * 1
    #23953390 - 12/24/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have for years supported those who expose the mental illness myth. The myth doesn't mean the experiences you have aren't real, or that depression isn't real etc. the myth is the medically unscientific diagnoses which claim these psychological events are bilogical disease which need treating with THEIR drugs, often for life.

I would find it extremely important (and many others would) to hear how psychedelics have helped you, in detail. This would be a vitally important report!


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #23953512 - 12/24/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Drugs prove that mental illness is organic.  Tripping all the time while drug free is very difficult.  There is no end to the game.

Psycadelics are so far away from normal society.  They are good at potentially tapping into very interesting experience and wisdom.  Never know what the may influence a human to invent.  That's also the risk.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23953678 - 12/24/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Drugs prove that mental illness is organic.




a) if you mean psychiatric drugs do. No they do not

b) if you mean the psychedelics do. No they do not

IF you have cancer, you certainly have an organic disease that needs treatment. WHAT treatment is the question we won't go into. But the point is cancer can be medically tested for, and then a treatment is offered

So-called 'mental' illness is not the same. There is no medical test which can detect 'it'. it is more a subjective judgement masquerading as a bio-medical model approach by social controllers who are gatekeepers for an oppressive culture which for many manifest diverse psychological events considered unacceptable by the establishment.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: zzripz]
    #23954268 - 12/24/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have to agree with zzripz - drugs do not prove an organic basis of mental illness.
they do show that mental illness is affected by drugs and that drugs affect the mind both with mental illness and without.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: zzripz]
    #23954316 - 12/24/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I have for years supported those who expose the mental illness myth. The myth doesn't mean the experiences you have aren't real, or that depression isn't real etc. the myth is the medically unscientific diagnoses which claim these psychological events are bilogical disease which need treating with THEIR drugs, often for life.

I would find it extremely important (and many others would) to hear how psychedelics have helped you, in detail. This would be a vitally important report!




true...and false.  the myth is that drugs actually correct a chemical imbalance. They do not.  Is a chemical imbalance a myth?  No it is not - but our chemical balance is dependent upon the environment we grew up throughout and the one we currently live in - and the things we need in them that arent in them - and the things we dont need that are in them - and anything too little - or in excess - this plus the over simplified and over played role of genetics.

Chemical imbalances are not corrected with drugs - that is a gross misunderstanding of biology, medicine, and the organism - environment symbiosis.  Surely drugs alter our chemical balance or lack there of based on whatever is homeostasis and equilibrium... but they do Not correct.  In fact they cause im balance overall.  And if it tips the scale in one direction or another and a symptom or a few goes away it is taken erroneously as a correction. Still it may or may not be deemed beneficial to some individuals or groups of people or society.

Saying you have "to much dopamine" or "not enough dopamine" without taking into account someones entire life and environment and less importantly but still crucial, genes , is like telling some one they have " to much to say " or "  not enough to eat "  based on an arbitrary standard...sure the side effects from drugs can cover up, dampen, dull, and even nullify the effects of our own natural chemical balance - but it must not be mistaken for healing or even a correction.  It is merely a drug effect - and to many take this correlation to be causation.

" I have adhd and lack dopamine and when i took adderall I felt I could concentrate better and felt more present and now becuase Im treating myself witht his drug that treats my chemical imbalance Im getting good grades! - so it must be real, it must be working, it must be true! "

^^^ No... see where critical thinking stopped?  It stopped when we diagnosed the kid as opposed to observing them in their natural environment for an extended period of time - it stopped when we assumed we were correcting an organic problem that causes attention deficit and hyper activity - with a stimulant , amphetamine drug that will give the majority of people adhd or not the same effects because its the same damn drug and its side effects are considered more desirable than that of a natural kids who isnt interested in learning about something - so we medicate them to the desired effect.

Calling their natural state a disease or illness or disorder and not an adaptation! which it should almost always be* because it is... it doesnt fit the mold - boom here are certain experimental drugs only around for less then 100 yrs that will make any mammalian brain atleast appear to fit the mold of an experimental society - all that is needed is a reason to do it - for good or for worse.

or maybe sociery is changing so drastically from hunter gatherers >agricultural> industrial> etc so rapidly that we arent adapting in the we did in previous way of civilization or eras of manking and so do not get what we need growing up and our development is screwed sometimes and requires drugs.  Maybe , maybe not.  See what works and what doesnt, and see if the side effects are worth it - or if you just need a whole new life style and all that jazz blah blah


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23957610 - 12/26/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Drugs prove that mental illness is organic. 




Every day many millions of people guzzle booze, smoking crack, pop pills, shoot smack, etc.

Are these people treating a mental illness? People who research behavior say "no"


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: psychobla]
    #23957651 - 12/26/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Mental illness runs all through my family and I have some myself. Psychedelics haven't affected it one way or the other, though they've been an enormous comfort for me in bad times and in good times. They've helped me see things from different perspectives, perspectives I could never even have imagined, and that has benefited my life, but I haven't noticed any effect either positive or negative on my mental health from psychedelics.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: nooneman]
    #23957670 - 12/26/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Appreciation and patience tend to come alongside psychedelics in my experience.

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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23957827 - 12/26/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Every memory is organic.  Illness is organic because we are organic beings.  There is no magical spiritual aspect to illness.  It's all chemistry, biology and real stuff.  Dopamine is organic, 5ht2a is organic.  All illness is organic, there are no demons.  If you don't believe this you have organic brain disease.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23958583 - 12/26/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

love in a test tube ey? :facepalm:


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: zzripz]
    #23958673 - 12/26/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just want to say Dennis McKenna really says or does nothing amazing and lives in the shadow of his brother for that reason. He's just some moderately smart nerd. I think he said he hates living in the shadow of his brother but honestly has he ever even contributed anything that would make him more than some everyday pharmacology student? He should be happy with the attention he does get.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23958834 - 12/26/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Most diseases are a part of nature, but some aren't exactly natural, I suppose asbestos is an example of a man made disease.

We do refine natural resources into toxic elements so I think any disease or illness caused by man refined elements are not organic.

I get what you mean I think I'm just trying to define a difference between man made and organic/natural.

E.g. Plenty of drugs are synthetic


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23958938 - 12/26/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Organic disease means physical in the body.  It's not a hippy kosher thing.

Technically asbestos is organic, it is silicates.

There are ton's of naturally made items that are dangerous.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23958956 - 12/26/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There is no magical spiritual aspect to illness.  It's all chemistry, biology and real stuff.




Fair enough.

Though there is an organic form of asbestos it is refined and has additives when used commercially so in that sense it isn't normally organic.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: sudly] * 2
    #23959080 - 12/26/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

As someone who has totally lost their mind and come back to tell the story, I can vouch that, really, somehow, mind is 100% brain, but consciousness is consciousness, everything is consciousness. This consciousness, or your "unit" of it, can inhabit other vehicles including your spirit/soul. Also consciousness can intervene on matter, and regenerate the brain, so that it can have a mind. Seems this all matters, that it has purpose.

It's only the 20th century philosophers that said all this didn't mean anything. They were losers with brain disease (Nietzsche) and horrible living conditions. "On a bad trip" as McKenna said of them.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23959087 - 12/26/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Mind doesn't always find rest to heal.

Yet we really never totally heal.  We all have baggage.  Lifetimes of energy and nobody knows what's next.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: sudly]
    #23974773 - 01/02/17 01:17 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

The ancient meaning of disease is dis-ease. To not be at ease.

Which is now commonly viewed as a biological malfunction.

To not be at ease (dis-ease) is now "treated" with chemicals.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23974795 - 01/02/17 01:29 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Those chemicals should be ones that reduce activity of the sympathetic nervous system.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: sudly]
    #23974816 - 01/02/17 01:41 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Thousands of chemicals can change human consciousnesses.

For violent rage, there are many drugs that will appease that...tranquilizers?

Booze is a very effective drug to reduce anxiety. Millions use it regularly.

Remember, people who say drugs saved their life are under the influence of drugs.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23974824 - 01/02/17 01:45 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

But only sympathomimetics and sympatholytics effect the sympathetic nervous system that is responsible for governing the fight or flight response and regulating blood pressure through the release of adrenaline in the heart.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: sudly]
    #23980247 - 01/03/17 11:05 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

To chime in on the original topic, my father-in-law has been in the midst of a bad manic episode, he quit taking his psych meds and started taking alot of his suboxone and went on a super high note for a while before the crash happened, he is currently living at a rehabilitation clinic (for bipolar not opiates, had been on suboxone for like 15 years) trying to get him back on track. Its a rough ride.

Anyway, he has talked to me and my girl about mushrooms and acid a few times and has never mentioned it causing an episode, he never mentioned dose..
He smokes quite a bit and gets nice stuff when hes at home.

My girl has smoked DMT a handful of times and has taken mushrooms 5 or 6 times and has been fine. Time will tell. But I believe she is fine in the head though.

Also if it counts, tripping helps relieve depression for me. I always put myself through my own little therapy session, figure out whats wrong, what I can change about my self or situation to fix it ect.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: Guess]
    #23980571 - 01/04/17 03:58 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

my dad was an extreme Alpha male - irrascible, tough, stern, so stern that he used to physically discipline my cousins when their parents were timid too hit them - well my dad passed away (coronary attack) at 53 - I thought he was insane.

my brother loved my dad incredibly, but was manic depressive and took his own life at 50 using my car in a garage (carbon monoxide).

My other brothers manage, and thrive.

So I think you could say my family has been afflicted by mental illness.

I have enjoyed psychedelics for 48 years so far, they are not a problem for my constitution.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23980593 - 01/04/17 05:14 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Damn dude, my grandpa was like that and an uncle did the same thing with the garage.

I've had some intense psychedelic moments but they've always seemed to even me out and during them I was in a state where the intensity of my experiences didn't bother me much.

In the 3 years since I tried them I think they've helped me greatly with self improvement.


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Re: Anyone with a personal/ family history of mental illness still benefit from psychedelics? [Re: sudly]
    #23985359 - 01/05/17 10:18 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

My mother has dealt with Manic Depression over the past 10 years; she has had a few psychotic episodes where she would do outrageous things that led us to resort to calling 911. I smoke weed nearly everyday, and am mostly fine. If I stop smoking for a week, I regain my clarity and focus etc. However in the past weed has made me feel depersonalization and derealization.


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