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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: psychobla]
#23951368 - 12/23/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think they are one in the same, but geniuses might be legitimately crazy, but since they are geniuses, they can filter out dumb insanity and focus on how their insane ideas can change the world.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Huskies]
#23951399 - 12/23/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sanity is a legal term. Knowing right from wrong. Any person smart or stupid knows right and wrong is a social understanding and varies from place to place, people to people.
Reality is complex. Much more complex for smart people. Probably why smart people are picky trying to simplify.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Morel Guy] 3
#23951537 - 12/23/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: psychobla]
#23952186 - 12/23/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you believe in duality like I do then 'crazy' can be explained as someone focusing only on their implicit perceptions rather than the explicit sensations they experience in the present moment.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly] 1
#23952226 - 12/23/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nikola Tesla apparently was in love with a pigeon.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#23952238 - 12/23/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It sure was a lucky pigeon, apparently it also visited him at night once and its eyes shone real bright just before it died.
I guess even people like Tesla were 'madmen' in someway.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: psychobla]
#23952250 - 12/23/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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we're not all geniuses, but we're all fucking crazy
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23952259 - 12/23/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: It sure was a lucky pigeon, apparently it also visited him at night once and its eyes shone real bright just before it died.
I guess even people like Tesla were 'madmen' in someway.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: demiu5]
#23952264 - 12/23/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crazy is somewhat genius because subconsciously we are all fairly intelligent and crazy is a lot of a person.
Add some weed and it's the verge of enlightenment. Add a properly dosed psycadelic and it's obtained enlightenment.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23952313 - 12/23/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Crazy is somewhat genius because subconsciously we are all fairly intelligent and crazy is a lot of a person.
Add some weed and it's the verge of enlightenment. Add a properly dosed psycadelic and it's obtained enlightenment.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Morel Guy] 2
#23952325 - 12/23/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The line is only arbitrary. It can be self-definied which is in itself insane, as one cannot assess their own sanity. Or it can be defined by society, which is insane because society's only interest is in conformity to norms.
Therefore the question cannot be answered, for the drawing of the line is in and of itself an insane act.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: fungusfun]
#23952345 - 12/23/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel like I'm crazy but I don't think I am, perhaps there is a duality of experience?
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: fungusfun]
#23952348 - 12/23/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is no real correction for losing ones mind and people tend to over correct and that is a sure sign of disease.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23952423 - 12/23/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Planes fly on explicit expectations and minds dive in implicit perceptions.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23952802 - 12/23/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Genius has been said to be pattern recognition - seeing the bigger picture no one else sees. Schizophrenia is at its least a problem of loose associations which results in pattern making overdrive in the sufferer. The patterns aren't necessarily smart patterns though. To a healthy, rational observer, they are usually just plain wrong. The sufferer has little ability to clear it up for themselves, and gets more elaborate, giving a sense of subjective complexity.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: beforethedawn]
#23952816 - 12/23/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schizophrenia is not knowing what is and isn't in reality so in my opinion all religious people are schizophrenic. That doesn't mean they're incapable of living a fulfilling and enjoyable life or that they'll be schizophrenic forever, just that what they believe isn't true and that science can explain mysterious natural phenomena as it has for centuries.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: psychobla] 1
#23952887 - 12/23/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Integration. The ability to relate non-ordinary awareness to everyday life through creativity.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23952910 - 12/23/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Schizophrenia is not knowing what is and isn't in reality so in my opinion all religious people are schizophrenic.
this is not schizophrenia, otherwise anyone with a funny/abstract idea would be labelled as such.
psychosis is more like some sort of isolated reality where you are making paranoid connections that seem genuine only because you are in a state of fear. So lots of strange thoughts can come up like believing everyone knows you and is paying attention to you, or someones out to kill you. etc.
These thought i think are bad mostly when it is influenced by fear and inability to let go of control.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23952928 - 12/23/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schizophrenia: (in general use) a mentality or approach characterized by inconsistent or contradictory elements.
Jesus coming back to life is a pretty paranoid connection.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly] 1
#23952949 - 12/23/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schizophrenia is like being on just enough shrooms so one minute you trip then the next you are sober, but you don't know when they'll get you again... except you have no idea you've been dosed and it will be a trip that will last for the rest of your life. The worst imaginable bad trip- ever
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Eywa_devotee] 1
#23952973 - 12/23/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No one knows where the line is... It's so razor thin I don't even think it exists anymore. Reality, sanity, insanity, it's all relative to the individual perception or the collective perception of the community outlined by diagnosis and labels.
I think geniuses are mentally ill... They're just smart enough to know where and when to cross certain boundaries and what may come of it. They fly under the radar in a sense. They're just delusional enough to be able to think abstractly enough without everything going to shit or just simply quitting what they where working on.
No genuis mind existed without a touch of insanity.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23952974 - 12/23/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schizophrenia: (in general use) a mentality or approach characterized by inconsistent or contradictory elements.
Jesus coming back to life is a pretty paranoid connection.

ahaha well i guess you have me there, they are in a massive panic about it i think somehow group delusion gives it more structure instead of being as much of a chaotic mess. maybe
Are you schizophrenic if you believe in string theory? though string theory is more logical than christianity i think. and less panic inducing.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Eywa_devotee] 1
#23952985 - 12/23/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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To me mental illnesses are no more than learnt behaviours, e.g. reacting to traumatic events and developing insecurities as a result. (that's not to dismiss physical abnormalities in the brain, cus sometimes that happens).
@Sleepy If I believed in the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics for the double-slit experiment sure, but I believe in pilot wave theory.

Peer pressure from a societies collective Superego sure can be a difficult thing to deal with. Saudi Arabia is kind of the pinnacle of examples for this one.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23952997 - 12/23/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think we all develop reasons why we believe things that might be true or not. some are more logical and focused on rules in order to believe in them and other people aren't as picky. But i think a lot of people adopt these views for more complicated reasons. Like impermanence anxiety and fear of nihilism. You aren't necessarily crazy for addressing a fear you have with a delusion. But i dunno perhaps im wrong
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23953008 - 12/23/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is the thinnest, subtle, most transparent distinction between knowing and not knowing. About the same difference as one non-lucidly dreaming and one lucidly dreaming.
One can reify, the other does the reverse.
But really I do not know, just my spit talking.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23953111 - 12/24/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nihilism to me is pretty ignorant(not knowing) because to me it ignores that there is a purpose in life behind the translation of DNA which has pushed evolution for over 4 billion years. I think it also fails to recognise that meanings are subjective and based on personal values.
@BlindAss Reify is probably better explained by Erwin Schrodinger's concept of negative entropy.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23953116 - 12/24/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Nihilism to me is pretty ignorant(not knowing) because to me it ignores that there is a purpose in life behind the translation of DNA which has pushed evolution for over 4 billion years. I think it also fails to recognise that meanings are subjective and based on personal values.
i believe that is fair.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23953150 - 12/24/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Nihilism to me is pretty ignorant(not knowing) because to me it ignores that there is a purpose in life behind the translation of DNA which has pushed evolution for over 4 billion years. I think it also fails to recognise that meanings are subjective and based on personal values.
@BlindAss Reify is probably better explained by Erwin Schrodinger's concept of negative entropy.
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The concept and phrase "negative entropy" was introduced by Erwin Schrödinger in his 1944 popular-science book What is Life? Later, Léon Brillouin shortened the phrase to negentropy,to express it in a more "positive" way: a living system imports negentropy and stores it.
I'll take a look at it. But at a glance it sits nicely in my mind without agitation. I too reject Nihilism, and while on that matter, Eternalism as well.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#23953428 - 12/24/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think it's a line; more of a sphere - if mind can settle roundly in itself genius appears and reappears. if not, each moment writhes without center - madness and genius are simultaneous.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23953568 - 12/24/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Nihilism to me is pretty ignorant(not knowing) because to me it ignores that there is a purpose in life behind the translation of DNA which has pushed evolution for over 4 billion years. I think it also fails to recognise that meanings are subjective and based on personal values.
just like discovering/accepting/agreeing that purpose inherently exists "behind the translation of DNA."
if one does not pass on their DNA, then that same purpose you feel exists may not actually exist, even though one is a product of that translation/transferrence
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: demiu5]
#23953597 - 12/24/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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geniuses and szhizofrenic are all open in a sense
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Ferdinando]
#23953835 - 12/24/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i wonder if the negative aspects of schizophrenia are present in people who practice meditation and buddhist-type aspirations like understanding yourself and your fears and whatnot and understand how to clear the mind. I suspect anyone who is that introspective would never get lost in psychosis permanently. But i doubt you can teach such a mindset to someone who has been lost in it for a long time.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23954378 - 12/24/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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the diagnostic term is related to lack of ease, disease, being frantic, troubled - etc. the mental gestures, mental contents, and the degree of layered connectedness, are not what makes it a disease, but the discomfort, fear, and anxiety are what makes it disease.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23954397 - 12/24/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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then what is a schizophrenic without discomfort, fear, anxiety and overall lack of ease? no longer schizophrenic? they still have abstract ideas even if it doesn't cause distress.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23955519 - 12/25/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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One doesn't need to pass on their DNA for replication to occur.. millions of cells are replaced in your body every minute.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: psychobla]
#23955636 - 12/25/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meat-worshippers like Icelander, Thanatos, sudly, Orgone etc. are crazy.
Crazy people like beforethedawn are geniuses.
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#23955640 - 12/25/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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#23955819 - 12/25/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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SleepyE said: then what is a schizophrenic without discomfort, fear, anxiety and overall lack of ease? no longer schizophrenic? they still have abstract ideas even if it doesn't cause distress.
when it is not a disease, nobody calls for a diagnosis, and no treatment is prescribed. if it is not a problem it is not a problem. when it is part of something amazing we call it genius.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23955831 - 12/25/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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interesting, from what i've read about someone like john nash if in not mistaken he pretty much just said "oh yah i just snapped out of it and understand reality now." he also said he took the delusions seriously because that same type of thinking was what lead him to his discoveries. I thought that was pretty profound and i agree with that.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23955847 - 12/25/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think schizophrenia only "exists" because there is a sweeping social contract that declares what a normative state is. while in reality, we ALL perceive things slightly differently, or in some cases, drastically differently.
maybe i'm simplifying it too much, or maybe i don't want to accept my own delusions/dissociation
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#23955883 - 12/25/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think that our cultures have an underlying sense of what mind really is. There is a lot of social structure, and cultural tradition that defies acceptance of mental life in favor of duty, production, waste management, hoarding, and inheritance.
Slowly, I think, the fallout of cognitive liberty will be to better understand the associative process, and to appreciate how to navigate mental landscapes with dignity. When this is more solidly part of our social fabric, we wont have so many words for mental illness, nor will we fill prisons and need war.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23955895 - 12/25/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I don't think that our cultures have an underlying sense of what mind really is.
fully agreed. partly because of this, we've set our sights on one, two, maybe three acceptable pathways of being, and all else outside of those are ignored or demonized.
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Slowly, I think, the fallout of cognitive liberty will be to better understand the associative process, and to appreciate how to navigate mental landscapes with dignity. When this is more solidly part of our social fabric, we wont have so many words for mental illness, nor will we fill prisons and need war.
without "dreamers" (one who acts/reacts outside of those normative states) we'll likely never "know"

edit: this is actually one "field" where i hope quantum computing is able to help us. by running trillions of models of consciousness and observing cause/effect and total outcomes, maybe some glimmer of insight can be gained
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: demiu5]
#23955917 - 12/25/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am not sure we can delegate realization to quantum computers: being able to model more quickly makes each visualization more convincing than the last. it is a good facility to have in a bag of conjectural tools, (if Q.C. even ever works at all,) but to understand mind, we need to stop and observe what is happening more than we need to run faster and faster into a model of what it might be.
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#23955921 - 12/25/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I am not sure we can delegate realization to quantum computers: being able to model more quickly makes each visualization more convincing than the last. it is a good facility to have in a bag of conjectural tools, (if Q.C. even ever works at all,) but to understand mind, we need to stop and observe what is happening more than we need to run faster and faster into a model of what it might be.
i wouldn't say delegating realization. by running the models, one could then examine more effectively from a wider base of "evidence" how neural pathways interact, how one single input, then two inputs, then three, and so on, adjusting for each combination of inputs, affects the brain. not relying solely on it, but using the data integrated with all other current knowledge.
having a computer run simulations also avoids internal biological processes from interrupting/misinterpreting the data, compared to the brain itself
ultimately, though, i think you have a good point that "stopping", inasmuch as one can, and observing is the most effective way an individual can come to better understand the mind.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: demiu5]
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One of the biggest hindrances, is that the words needed to document observations have Webster's & Oxford's meanings that encompass very wide interpretations.
Neuro-chemical engineering requires a vocabulary in which words only mean one thing, so that processes are not confused with each other.
Poetry is important, but it is the antithesis of scientific modeling.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
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good point for it to last the test of time its necessary to be meticulous, technical in vocab and as close to that standard in practice... at least for reproducible empirical data that is to become part of a foundation of science which can then be built upon without running into errors down the road simply because something led some one astray because of syntax or vocab or what have you.
a hindrance in practice, but a blessing to the continuation of the art of good science .
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: The Blind Ass]
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"the art of good science"
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: I don't think that our cultures have an underlying sense of what mind really is. There is a lot of social structure, and cultural tradition that defies acceptance of mental life in favor of duty, production, waste management, hoarding, and inheritance.
Slowly, I think, the fallout of cognitive liberty will be to better understand the associative process, and to appreciate how to navigate mental landscapes with dignity. When this is more solidly part of our social fabric, we wont have so many words for mental illness, nor will we fill prisons and need war.
Hey look, a mind.

In my view mental illnesses that aren't physical abnormalities are learnt behaviours, e.g. forming insecurities from a traumatic experience. Non-violent drug offenders shouldn't be in jail for life either, and wars are for making money for weapons manufacturers like Raytheon and Boeing.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
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I think that's probably right, but it's profitable to remember that the ones that are physical/physiological abnormalities are genetic, e.g. family histories of bipolar or schizophrenia resulting in the same illnesses in various people in the family tree. There are non-genetic versions of mental illness, like drug psychosis, PTSD, and what have you, but bipolar and schizophrenia, schizoaffective, etc., are the result of physiological deficiencies which lead to imbalances, that can in turn be treated effectively (i.e., allowing the person to function in society) with medications. It's all very clear to anyone with mental illness in themselves or in a family member. A lot of people around here, who have had absolutely no direct experience of mental illness, pontificate about how it can't be genetic, psychiatrists are evil, etc., etc. I'm tired of it.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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the phrase "forming insecurities" is one of those that hinders clear linguistic connection with actual mental events. "insecurities" is an abstraction defined by "securities" which has no precise scientific explanation. we all know what it means but nobody really knows what it means.
it is as accurate as the 4 elements: water, fire, air, & earth. which for thousands of years were the most 'scientific" descriptions of the time inclusive of thousands of chemical ideas, yet no elemental or molecular connections.
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DividedQuantum said: A lot of people around here, who have had absolutely no direct experience of mental illness, pontificate about how it can't be genetic, psychiatrists are evil, etc., etc. I'm tired of it.
Yes, as someone with a schizophrenia diagnosis and an M.A. in Psychology I'm also well sick of people presenting their arse nuggets about a subject they haven't even begun to understand as if they were pearls of scientific wisdom.
They just stop stop bringing them, though, no matter how much you try to tell them, so there's no point in fighting it. Just communicate with the respectful people and ignore the others.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Really I think we're too focused on the influence of chemicals and neural activity in the brain rather than that of the intestinal and cardiac nervous systems.
I think the influence that the electrical and chemical activities of the intestines and cardiac system can have on emotions are underestimated. In essence I think we need to try and think more critically about how biology is intertwined with thoughts and emotions.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: the phrase "forming insecurities" is one of those that hinders clear linguistic connection with actual mental events. "insecurities" is an abstraction defined by "securities" which has no precise scientific explanation. we all know what it means but nobody really knows what it means.
it is as accurate as the 4 elements: water, fire, air, & earth. which for thousands of years were the most 'scientific" descriptions of the time inclusive of thousands of chemical ideas, yet no elemental or molecular connections.

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Insecurities: Emotional insecurity or simply insecurity is a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving of oneself to be vulnerable or inferior in some way, or a sense of vulnerability or instability which threatens one's self-image or ego.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Really I think we're too focused on the influence of chemicals and neural activity in the brain rather than that of the intestinal and cardiac nervous systems.
I think the influence that the electrical and chemical activities of the intestines and cardiac system can have on emotions are underestimated. In essence I think we need to try and think more critically about how biology is intertwined with thoughts and emotions.
stomach/spleen/intestinal and dental health is well-linked to brain and emotional health. often overlooked, even by general practitioners, but linked
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I don't know about dental health but the Autonomic nervous system that regulates internal organs is linked to blood pressure, linked but often overlooked.
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The autonomic nervous system (ANS) is a division of the peripheral nervous system that influences the function of internal organs. The autonomic nervous system is a control system that acts largely unconsciously and regulates bodily functions such as the heart rate, digestion, respiratory rate, pupillary response, urination, and sexual arousal. This system is the primary mechanism in control of the fight-or-flight response and the freeze-and-dissociate response. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_nervous_system
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The autonomic nervous system and its sympathetic arm play important roles in the regulation of blood pressure. http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/56/1/10
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Hypertension — the chronic elevation of blood pressure — is a major human health problem. In most cases, the root cause of the disease remains unknown, but there is mounting evidence that many forms of hypertension are initiated and maintained by an elevated sympathetic tone. http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v7/n5/full/nrn1902.html
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23957014 - 12/25/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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while one can survive without a spleen, it plays a huge role in blood distribution, in addition to its commonly known role in blood purification/recycling. i don't have scientific links handy, but i did a shitton of research into this recently (spleen, stomach, intestines, colons) and just about everything said the same thing
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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I think that's probably right, but it's profitable to remember that the ones that are physical/physiological abnormalities are genetic, e.g. family histories of bipolar or schizophrenia resulting in the same illnesses in various people in the family tree. There are non-genetic versions of mental illness, like drug psychosis, PTSD, and what have you, but bipolar and schizophrenia, schizoaffective, etc., are the result of physiological deficiencies which lead to imbalances, that can in turn be treated effectively (i.e., allowing the person to function in society) with medications. It's all very clear to anyone with mental illness in themselves or in a family member. A lot of people around here, who have had absolutely no direct experience of mental illness, pontificate about how it can't be genetic, psychiatrists are evil, etc., etc. I'm tired of it.
In my early childhood days of around 8-12 i had experience with/ was diagnosed with various mental disorders So i think i possibly have a perspective that might be of some value to this topic if nothing else.
when i was in grade 3 i was playing with a friend at recess, we were making sound effects to go with some sort of game we were playing and it was a type of "beeping" noise. at the end of recess randomly i thought to myself "what if i never stopped making this noise" and then somehow i kept up the noise a little longer and all the sudden that thought resonated in my mind and i couldnt stop making the noise every 2-5 minutes. It was weird i would feel a phantom scratchyness in my throat which was habitually "reflexed" to believe that this "beeping" noise would clear the discomfort that wasnt actually there but imagined. so i would clear my throat alot and make this beeping noise, every day. I got in trouble in class when i wouldn't stop making the noise and the teacher was trying to discipline me for it but then my mom came in and told them there is something wrong with me and i cant help make the noise. i went to my family doctor and he concluded to my mom apparently that i had "tourrettes" syndrome. i wouldnt make the noise if i was occupied with a heavy activity like playing at recess but once i came inside to do work i couldn't help myself make that fucking noise.
it took me a year or two to tame the impulse especially when i really needed to clear my throat if i swallowed down the wrong tub. I cringe even now when i think about it because i can feel the memory of the habit and how awful it would be if i got into the habit of it again.
anyways when i was 12 i received cognitive behavior therapy from a psychiatrist/psychologist(forget which one) because i had the intrusive thoughts type of OCD and it caused me to be dysfunctional.
anyways i bring all this up because im kind of skeptical of my diagnosis of tourrettes because in my mind it feels like the exact same mental processes as the intrusive thoughts(OCD) i had. A similar "what if" statement is in both issues i do believe that these issues i had in the past are genetic but i really do thinl that they can be controlled by mental conditioning and maybe the chemical imbalances which cause them don't have to limit how much control you have over your own mind.
im not sure if its genetic or learned behavior. but i really do believe mental conditioning can establish order. The CBT i received from them was unsuccessful btw. psilocybin!! ftw! at 16 yr old
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
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I think maybe intelligent association can be considered atypical and therefor crazy except in the society of the intelligent. Indeed the scientific community has to maintain bulwarks of credibility to parry the accusation of insanity. It might be noted then that the truly intelligent will conceal their ability so as to pass as normal without the stigma of latent craziness.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said: I think maybe intelligent association can be considered atypical and therefor crazy except in the society of the intelligent. Indeed the scientific community has to maintain bulwarks of credibility to parry the accusation of insanity. It might be noted then that the truly intelligent will conceal their ability so as to pass as normal without the stigma of latent craziness.
By normal, you mean average, and a part of the herd. By definition a genius isn't part of the herd, and isn't normal. The herd loves to stigmatize anybody not in the herd. That's called "normal" herd mentality.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
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SleepyE said: ... anyways i bring all this up because im kind of skeptical of my diagnosis of tourrettes because in my mind it feels like the exact same mental processes as the intrusive thoughts(OCD) i had. A similar "what if" statement is in both issues...
I think this is a great analysis. so let it be OCD, but how is OCD actually different from an energetic mind?
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By normal, you mean average, and a part of the herd. By definition a genius isn't part of the herd, and isn't normal. The herd loves to stigmatize anybody not in the herd. That's called "normal" herd mentality.
case in point: Have you noticed the hypocrisy of posters in schools where protecting the National interests overseas is a focus for graduates? It doesn't take a genius to bring it up but it wont win you any friends in the herd.
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Buster_Brown said: I think maybe intelligent association can be considered atypical and therefor crazy except in the society of the intelligent. Indeed the scientific community has to maintain bulwarks of credibility to parry the accusation of insanity. It might be noted then that the truly intelligent will conceal their ability so as to pass as normal without the stigma of latent craziness.
By normal, you mean average, and a part of the herd. By definition a genius isn't part of the herd, and isn't normal. The herd loves to stigmatize anybody not in the herd. That's called "normal" herd mentality.
case in point: Have you noticed the hypocrisy of posters in schools where protecting the National interests overseas is a focus for graduates? It doesn't take a genius to bring it up but it wont win you any friends in the herd.
Expect more bullying internationally. Trump is a bully, for sure. Now he has the Bully Pulpit to preach from. He's pro military.
As we enter free speech zones and bully free zones and fake news free zones, and watch the first amendment being dismantled, does it make us feel safer? I hope not, these are truly scary times.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
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but how is OCD actually different from an energetic mind?
not sure, i heard it is related to adhd in some ways. Its definitely a distracting type of mental disorder.
Its interesting to see that many disorders actually stem from similar processes in the mind.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
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but how is OCD actually different from an energetic mind?
not sure, i heard it is related to adhd in some ways. Its definitely a distracting type of mental disorder.
Its interesting to see that many disorders actually stem from similar processes in the mind.
if one were allowed to roam free, removed from the constraints and/or expectations of society, would an energetic mind have any real negative effect? it seems to me, only by having broad, implicit structures, is an energetic mind an issue
on the topic, early this morning, with sleep eluding me, i watched Montage of Heck, a newish documentary focusing on Kurt Cobain, but also his relation with band members and the media. When he was allowed to be, to create freely without distraction or dissuasion, the art and profound observation/thought flowed like unabated water
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: demiu5]
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actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
so, by trying to think oneself out of a rut, one gets deeper into it.
in this way the attachment (linkage) between the mental forms leads to suffering (OCD).
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so, by trying to think oneself out of a rut, one gets deeper into it. .
yup, the doctors called this "feeding compulsions." the more you perform the ritual to relieve the anxiety, the more of a stranglehold it has over you.
so you dont rationalize why your intrusive thoughts are false, you instead develop a strategy to let these thoughts pass freely through your mind without fixation.
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redgreenvines said: actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
is it the thoughts themselves, or is it how others react/restrict the thoughts that cause them (the thoughts/thought-patterns) to not cycle out? such as shame. if one has a thought process, especially a child or younger person, and that thought process is condemned, one dwells on the thought process, creating a loop as opposed to the process having an eventual outlet, circumventing a loop from being created or sustained
this is a point of neurobiology/psychology that i have little knowledge of and am curious about. i can/have only observed it from physical manifestation and social relation.
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thoughts don't necessarily have an output, though we may expect they might. they merely link. some linkages are actions (things we have learned to do), others are utterances (things we have learned to say), but most are just other thoughts, or mental formations, (things that have arisen in mind before).
given a sense of unsatisfactoriness in some situation, one may try to think of a way to improve it, and thus begin a strand of thought.
if the strand of thought traces forward to some underlying connection it may loop back to the original driving unsatisfactory idea or form even though some progress may seem to have been made. A desperate cycle of loops may thusly begin.
Accusations, Blame, and Judgements can pepper the loops, and pummel the OCD sufferer into deeper despairs. Thinking is work (at least this way it certainly is) and the OCD sufferer is doing his or her best - certainly not being lazy.
And this may drive the person deeper into the ruts as they earnestly seek the right linkage which might solve any of a number of increasing dilemmas.
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that was very helpful towards my understanding of the matter. especially the definitions you provided. thank you, and i will dwell on this.
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redgreenvines said: actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
so for example would a mental formation be something like "what if i harmed my family for no reason" would the energetically charged linkage be the act of removing all objects that can be used as weapons so it limits the anxiety you have that you might do something bad like that.? or do i misunderstand?
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redgreenvines said: actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
so for example would a mental formation be something like "what if i harmed my family for no reason" would the energetically charged linkage be the act of removing all objects that can be used as weapons so it limits the anxiety you have that you might do something bad like that.? or do i misunderstand?
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redgreenvines said: actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
so for example would a mental formation be something like "what if i harmed my family for no reason" would the energetically charged linkage be the act of removing all objects that can be used as weapons so it limits the anxiety you have that you might do something bad like that.? or do i misunderstand?
I think you do understand, mostly, however, some effort should be put to understand the parts more, before applying it to any specific case.
the parts in this case are the parts of mental forms, or mental images.
when we experience things, the mind is filled with a series of gestalt images, or moments of sensation altogether with vision and ideation - all of which becomes mixed into a series of images (tableaux of experience).
the larger mental forms are the aggregate tableaux of experience in each moment (a moment can be taken as any short period of time between 1/15th of a second up to 3 seconds).
the larger mental forms or images of experience are linked to each other in series by overlapping and fading out, this enables recollection later of the series by what happened after what (if you can think of one image in an experience, it will slip into what preceded or followed naturally due to the nearness in time (the overlappage)).
the smaller aspects of each larger mental form are the perceptions, or recognized fragments of experience. Those smaller mental forms become linked by similarity to other similar mental forms in memory i.e. a book to all books, a red book to all red things, a red book with a man's face to all detective stories or whatever... the doorbell is linked to sounds but also to summonses, and to who might be at the door, and to the cops who once were at the door, and the bad news they bore.
each class of perception is a mental form, and each instance of any class of anything is a mental form.
what links most strongly with what is the motivation of thought, and thought sequences are governed by some central form which is what is most tightly being grasped by the mind.
All of the contents of mind are from experiences, and all of thought is from linkages or associations (i.e. either it happened together with or is similar in form).
Without something to steer, pause, or objectify the process, it will roil relentlessly like a monkey swinging manically from branches away, around, and back because one branch connects with the next.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
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thanks, i have to familiarize myself with gestalt principles before i can better understand the language your using its pretty new to me.
been watching videos on youtube and i understand you alittle better, i had to learn proximity, similarity continuity, closure, etc
still learning but im starting to make sense of your language. these concepts arent very alien to my understanding so thats a plus.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
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"the parts in this case are the parts of mental forms, or mental images."
Mental synthesis seems to explain this pretty well alongside the Hebbian principle.

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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
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Its in the Atonement!
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psychobla said: ...where is the line between a genius and a crazy person?...
It is the border between Switzerland and France.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: blackdragon999]
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Theres a Black jay on the dance floor.. And we all need to feel the groove..
Indeed as we are coming there is an awareness of the continuity of the Void..
Which is of infractions and essence of lost mistakes..
Indeed it is a referendum to the highest Science..
Which shows that I am the Hopi Prophet..
Indeed inside the litterature is an Angry Barbarian..
But that is better left for my next post on the Shroomery about Valhalla..
So this is what it means to be me!
I am insane..to the degree of atonement And insane in legal rites and bondings.. Shelf rate insurance is a rate of time To which we forget things that were..and are!!
Indeed it is a revolution of the karmic kind..
Which is an awareness in the tent of our suitors..
Or suiturs of American Pride.. Is like a Proud American Bald Eagle..
The Herald of the coming day..
Indeed the forloning landscape..is a wasteland..
And the wasteland is a forlonging awareness...
Indeed the karmic bubble is true... Indeed at the rate of the karmic truth..
or otherwise Ruth Scholar..
Which speaks of 22:5
Crazy genius is as it is..
And the coming logic of the day..is in diploma format..
I have reached a state of True Altruism..
As a Rhodes Schollar..
Which means self taught mastery...and Genius..
Indeed as an awareness of time..Im on the page.. So to speak..which is Gold in between Mercury.. And we are on the feeling crescents of time!
The ruin of the nature of time; Nihilism.. And everything inbetween.. Is an awareness of the Cancer of time!!
Indeed every Crab has an awareness..Including me!!
And that is why I am safe..at the end of the rainbow..
I wonder if those people really experienced those years in the Hospital.. That was represented as Tartaros..for years..I experienced this default..and everything is going on between the lines...as speakers and sojournno..
Which is of the Alchemino!!
Alchemino...On the path to enlightement..
Indeed as an awareness of time..I have Solved Arnold Schwatrzeneggers...New Ayance/...Which is of the Lance of time anyways!!
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: blackdragon999]
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blackdragon999 said:
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psychobla said: ...where is the line between a genius and a crazy person?...
It is the border between Switzerland and France.
That's where both my grandparents ancestors are from. They were literately in different villages miles apart.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
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blackdragon999 said:
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psychobla said: ...where is the line between a genius and a crazy person?...
It is the border between Switzerland and France.
That's where both my grandparents ancestors are from. They were literately in different villages miles apart.
Kilometres* apart perhaps . Beautiful place to live though.
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