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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23957750 - 12/26/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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SleepyE said: ... anyways i bring all this up because im kind of skeptical of my diagnosis of tourrettes because in my mind it feels like the exact same mental processes as the intrusive thoughts(OCD) i had. A similar "what if" statement is in both issues...
I think this is a great analysis. so let it be OCD, but how is OCD actually different from an energetic mind?
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#23957761 - 12/26/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: I think maybe intelligent association can be considered atypical and therefor crazy except in the society of the intelligent. Indeed the scientific community has to maintain bulwarks of credibility to parry the accusation of insanity. It might be noted then that the truly intelligent will conceal their ability so as to pass as normal without the stigma of latent craziness.
By normal, you mean average, and a part of the herd. By definition a genius isn't part of the herd, and isn't normal. The herd loves to stigmatize anybody not in the herd. That's called "normal" herd mentality.
case in point: Have you noticed the hypocrisy of posters in schools where protecting the National interests overseas is a focus for graduates? It doesn't take a genius to bring it up but it wont win you any friends in the herd.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said: I think maybe intelligent association can be considered atypical and therefor crazy except in the society of the intelligent. Indeed the scientific community has to maintain bulwarks of credibility to parry the accusation of insanity. It might be noted then that the truly intelligent will conceal their ability so as to pass as normal without the stigma of latent craziness.
By normal, you mean average, and a part of the herd. By definition a genius isn't part of the herd, and isn't normal. The herd loves to stigmatize anybody not in the herd. That's called "normal" herd mentality.
case in point: Have you noticed the hypocrisy of posters in schools where protecting the National interests overseas is a focus for graduates? It doesn't take a genius to bring it up but it wont win you any friends in the herd.
Expect more bullying internationally. Trump is a bully, for sure. Now he has the Bully Pulpit to preach from. He's pro military.
As we enter free speech zones and bully free zones and fake news free zones, and watch the first amendment being dismantled, does it make us feel safer? I hope not, these are truly scary times.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23957951 - 12/26/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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but how is OCD actually different from an energetic mind?
not sure, i heard it is related to adhd in some ways. Its definitely a distracting type of mental disorder.
Its interesting to see that many disorders actually stem from similar processes in the mind.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23958011 - 12/26/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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but how is OCD actually different from an energetic mind?
not sure, i heard it is related to adhd in some ways. Its definitely a distracting type of mental disorder.
Its interesting to see that many disorders actually stem from similar processes in the mind.
if one were allowed to roam free, removed from the constraints and/or expectations of society, would an energetic mind have any real negative effect? it seems to me, only by having broad, implicit structures, is an energetic mind an issue
on the topic, early this morning, with sleep eluding me, i watched Montage of Heck, a newish documentary focusing on Kurt Cobain, but also his relation with band members and the media. When he was allowed to be, to create freely without distraction or dissuasion, the art and profound observation/thought flowed like unabated water
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: demiu5]
#23958067 - 12/26/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
so, by trying to think oneself out of a rut, one gets deeper into it.
in this way the attachment (linkage) between the mental forms leads to suffering (OCD).
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23958085 - 12/26/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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so, by trying to think oneself out of a rut, one gets deeper into it. .
yup, the doctors called this "feeding compulsions." the more you perform the ritual to relieve the anxiety, the more of a stranglehold it has over you.
so you dont rationalize why your intrusive thoughts are false, you instead develop a strategy to let these thoughts pass freely through your mind without fixation.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23958108 - 12/26/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
is it the thoughts themselves, or is it how others react/restrict the thoughts that cause them (the thoughts/thought-patterns) to not cycle out? such as shame. if one has a thought process, especially a child or younger person, and that thought process is condemned, one dwells on the thought process, creating a loop as opposed to the process having an eventual outlet, circumventing a loop from being created or sustained
this is a point of neurobiology/psychology that i have little knowledge of and am curious about. i can/have only observed it from physical manifestation and social relation.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: demiu5] 1
#23958148 - 12/26/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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thoughts don't necessarily have an output, though we may expect they might. they merely link. some linkages are actions (things we have learned to do), others are utterances (things we have learned to say), but most are just other thoughts, or mental formations, (things that have arisen in mind before).
given a sense of unsatisfactoriness in some situation, one may try to think of a way to improve it, and thus begin a strand of thought.
if the strand of thought traces forward to some underlying connection it may loop back to the original driving unsatisfactory idea or form even though some progress may seem to have been made. A desperate cycle of loops may thusly begin.
Accusations, Blame, and Judgements can pepper the loops, and pummel the OCD sufferer into deeper despairs. Thinking is work (at least this way it certainly is) and the OCD sufferer is doing his or her best - certainly not being lazy.
And this may drive the person deeper into the ruts as they earnestly seek the right linkage which might solve any of a number of increasing dilemmas.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23958155 - 12/26/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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that was very helpful towards my understanding of the matter. especially the definitions you provided. thank you, and i will dwell on this.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23958175 - 12/26/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
so for example would a mental formation be something like "what if i harmed my family for no reason" would the energetically charged linkage be the act of removing all objects that can be used as weapons so it limits the anxiety you have that you might do something bad like that.? or do i misunderstand?
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23958190 - 12/26/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
so for example would a mental formation be something like "what if i harmed my family for no reason" would the energetically charged linkage be the act of removing all objects that can be used as weapons so it limits the anxiety you have that you might do something bad like that.? or do i misunderstand?
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#23958280 - 12/26/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23958309 - 12/26/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: the scream
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#23958332 - 12/26/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: actively pursuing associated mental formations by the most energetically charged linkages will give looping thought and cycles of feelings which give a trapped sense or a sense of being in a ever deepening rut.
so for example would a mental formation be something like "what if i harmed my family for no reason" would the energetically charged linkage be the act of removing all objects that can be used as weapons so it limits the anxiety you have that you might do something bad like that.? or do i misunderstand?
I think you do understand, mostly, however, some effort should be put to understand the parts more, before applying it to any specific case.
the parts in this case are the parts of mental forms, or mental images.
when we experience things, the mind is filled with a series of gestalt images, or moments of sensation altogether with vision and ideation - all of which becomes mixed into a series of images (tableaux of experience).
the larger mental forms are the aggregate tableaux of experience in each moment (a moment can be taken as any short period of time between 1/15th of a second up to 3 seconds).
the larger mental forms or images of experience are linked to each other in series by overlapping and fading out, this enables recollection later of the series by what happened after what (if you can think of one image in an experience, it will slip into what preceded or followed naturally due to the nearness in time (the overlappage)).
the smaller aspects of each larger mental form are the perceptions, or recognized fragments of experience. Those smaller mental forms become linked by similarity to other similar mental forms in memory i.e. a book to all books, a red book to all red things, a red book with a man's face to all detective stories or whatever... the doorbell is linked to sounds but also to summonses, and to who might be at the door, and to the cops who once were at the door, and the bad news they bore.
each class of perception is a mental form, and each instance of any class of anything is a mental form.
what links most strongly with what is the motivation of thought, and thought sequences are governed by some central form which is what is most tightly being grasped by the mind.
All of the contents of mind are from experiences, and all of thought is from linkages or associations (i.e. either it happened together with or is similar in form).
Without something to steer, pause, or objectify the process, it will roil relentlessly like a monkey swinging manically from branches away, around, and back because one branch connects with the next.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23958605 - 12/26/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks, i have to familiarize myself with gestalt principles before i can better understand the language your using its pretty new to me.
been watching videos on youtube and i understand you alittle better, i had to learn proximity, similarity continuity, closure, etc
still learning but im starting to make sense of your language. these concepts arent very alien to my understanding so thats a plus.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23958855 - 12/26/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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"the parts in this case are the parts of mental forms, or mental images."
Mental synthesis seems to explain this pretty well alongside the Hebbian principle.

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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23966566 - 12/29/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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#23982810 - 01/04/17 11:22 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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psychobla said: ...where is the line between a genius and a crazy person?...
It is the border between Switzerland and France.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: blackdragon999]
#23983004 - 01/05/17 02:53 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Theres a Black jay on the dance floor.. And we all need to feel the groove..
Indeed as we are coming there is an awareness of the continuity of the Void..
Which is of infractions and essence of lost mistakes..
Indeed it is a referendum to the highest Science..
Which shows that I am the Hopi Prophet..
Indeed inside the litterature is an Angry Barbarian..
But that is better left for my next post on the Shroomery about Valhalla..
So this is what it means to be me!
I am insane..to the degree of atonement And insane in legal rites and bondings.. Shelf rate insurance is a rate of time To which we forget things that were..and are!!
Indeed it is a revolution of the karmic kind..
Which is an awareness in the tent of our suitors..
Or suiturs of American Pride.. Is like a Proud American Bald Eagle..
The Herald of the coming day..
Indeed the forloning landscape..is a wasteland..
And the wasteland is a forlonging awareness...
Indeed the karmic bubble is true... Indeed at the rate of the karmic truth..
or otherwise Ruth Scholar..
Which speaks of 22:5
Crazy genius is as it is..
And the coming logic of the day..is in diploma format..
I have reached a state of True Altruism..
As a Rhodes Schollar..
Which means self taught mastery...and Genius..
Indeed as an awareness of time..Im on the page.. So to speak..which is Gold in between Mercury.. And we are on the feeling crescents of time!
The ruin of the nature of time; Nihilism.. And everything inbetween.. Is an awareness of the Cancer of time!!
Indeed every Crab has an awareness..Including me!!
And that is why I am safe..at the end of the rainbow..
I wonder if those people really experienced those years in the Hospital.. That was represented as Tartaros..for years..I experienced this default..and everything is going on between the lines...as speakers and sojournno..
Which is of the Alchemino!!
Alchemino...On the path to enlightement..
Indeed as an awareness of time..I have Solved Arnold Schwatrzeneggers...New Ayance/...Which is of the Lance of time anyways!!
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