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Eywa_devotee
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly] 1
#23952949 - 12/23/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schizophrenia is like being on just enough shrooms so one minute you trip then the next you are sober, but you don't know when they'll get you again... except you have no idea you've been dosed and it will be a trip that will last for the rest of your life. The worst imaginable bad trip- ever
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Eywa_devotee] 1
#23952973 - 12/23/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No one knows where the line is... It's so razor thin I don't even think it exists anymore. Reality, sanity, insanity, it's all relative to the individual perception or the collective perception of the community outlined by diagnosis and labels.
I think geniuses are mentally ill... They're just smart enough to know where and when to cross certain boundaries and what may come of it. They fly under the radar in a sense. They're just delusional enough to be able to think abstractly enough without everything going to shit or just simply quitting what they where working on.
No genuis mind existed without a touch of insanity.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23952974 - 12/23/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schizophrenia: (in general use) a mentality or approach characterized by inconsistent or contradictory elements.
Jesus coming back to life is a pretty paranoid connection.

ahaha well i guess you have me there, they are in a massive panic about it i think somehow group delusion gives it more structure instead of being as much of a chaotic mess. maybe
Are you schizophrenic if you believe in string theory? though string theory is more logical than christianity i think. and less panic inducing.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Eywa_devotee] 1
#23952985 - 12/23/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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To me mental illnesses are no more than learnt behaviours, e.g. reacting to traumatic events and developing insecurities as a result. (that's not to dismiss physical abnormalities in the brain, cus sometimes that happens).
@Sleepy If I believed in the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics for the double-slit experiment sure, but I believe in pilot wave theory.

Peer pressure from a societies collective Superego sure can be a difficult thing to deal with. Saudi Arabia is kind of the pinnacle of examples for this one.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23952997 - 12/23/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think we all develop reasons why we believe things that might be true or not. some are more logical and focused on rules in order to believe in them and other people aren't as picky. But i think a lot of people adopt these views for more complicated reasons. Like impermanence anxiety and fear of nihilism. You aren't necessarily crazy for addressing a fear you have with a delusion. But i dunno perhaps im wrong
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23953008 - 12/23/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is the thinnest, subtle, most transparent distinction between knowing and not knowing. About the same difference as one non-lucidly dreaming and one lucidly dreaming.
One can reify, the other does the reverse.
But really I do not know, just my spit talking.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23953111 - 12/24/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nihilism to me is pretty ignorant(not knowing) because to me it ignores that there is a purpose in life behind the translation of DNA which has pushed evolution for over 4 billion years. I think it also fails to recognise that meanings are subjective and based on personal values.
@BlindAss Reify is probably better explained by Erwin Schrodinger's concept of negative entropy.
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The concept and phrase "negative entropy" was introduced by Erwin Schrödinger in his 1944 popular-science book What is Life? Later, Léon Brillouin shortened the phrase to negentropy,to express it in a more "positive" way: a living system imports negentropy and stores it.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23953116 - 12/24/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Nihilism to me is pretty ignorant(not knowing) because to me it ignores that there is a purpose in life behind the translation of DNA which has pushed evolution for over 4 billion years. I think it also fails to recognise that meanings are subjective and based on personal values.
i believe that is fair.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23953150 - 12/24/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Nihilism to me is pretty ignorant(not knowing) because to me it ignores that there is a purpose in life behind the translation of DNA which has pushed evolution for over 4 billion years. I think it also fails to recognise that meanings are subjective and based on personal values.
@BlindAss Reify is probably better explained by Erwin Schrodinger's concept of negative entropy.
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The concept and phrase "negative entropy" was introduced by Erwin Schrödinger in his 1944 popular-science book What is Life? Later, Léon Brillouin shortened the phrase to negentropy,to express it in a more "positive" way: a living system imports negentropy and stores it.
I'll take a look at it. But at a glance it sits nicely in my mind without agitation. I too reject Nihilism, and while on that matter, Eternalism as well.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#23953428 - 12/24/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think it's a line; more of a sphere - if mind can settle roundly in itself genius appears and reappears. if not, each moment writhes without center - madness and genius are simultaneous.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: sudly]
#23953568 - 12/24/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Nihilism to me is pretty ignorant(not knowing) because to me it ignores that there is a purpose in life behind the translation of DNA which has pushed evolution for over 4 billion years. I think it also fails to recognise that meanings are subjective and based on personal values.
just like discovering/accepting/agreeing that purpose inherently exists "behind the translation of DNA."
if one does not pass on their DNA, then that same purpose you feel exists may not actually exist, even though one is a product of that translation/transferrence
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: demiu5]
#23953597 - 12/24/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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geniuses and szhizofrenic are all open in a sense
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: Ferdinando]
#23953835 - 12/24/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i wonder if the negative aspects of schizophrenia are present in people who practice meditation and buddhist-type aspirations like understanding yourself and your fears and whatnot and understand how to clear the mind. I suspect anyone who is that introspective would never get lost in psychosis permanently. But i doubt you can teach such a mindset to someone who has been lost in it for a long time.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23954378 - 12/24/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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the diagnostic term is related to lack of ease, disease, being frantic, troubled - etc. the mental gestures, mental contents, and the degree of layered connectedness, are not what makes it a disease, but the discomfort, fear, and anxiety are what makes it disease.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23954397 - 12/24/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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then what is a schizophrenic without discomfort, fear, anxiety and overall lack of ease? no longer schizophrenic? they still have abstract ideas even if it doesn't cause distress.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE]
#23955519 - 12/25/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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One doesn't need to pass on their DNA for replication to occur.. millions of cells are replaced in your body every minute.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: psychobla]
#23955636 - 12/25/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meat-worshippers like Icelander, Thanatos, sudly, Orgone etc. are crazy.
Crazy people like beforethedawn are geniuses.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: viktor] 2
#23955640 - 12/25/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23955819 - 12/25/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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SleepyE said: then what is a schizophrenic without discomfort, fear, anxiety and overall lack of ease? no longer schizophrenic? they still have abstract ideas even if it doesn't cause distress.
when it is not a disease, nobody calls for a diagnosis, and no treatment is prescribed. if it is not a problem it is not a problem. when it is part of something amazing we call it genius.
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Re: Where is the line between crazy and genius? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23955831 - 12/25/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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interesting, from what i've read about someone like john nash if in not mistaken he pretty much just said "oh yah i just snapped out of it and understand reality now." he also said he took the delusions seriously because that same type of thinking was what lead him to his discoveries. I thought that was pretty profound and i agree with that.
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