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Cannabis paranoia
#23951336 - 12/23/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi Shroomerites!
We all know that THC can cause anxiety. Or "paranoia", as most people choose to describe it. This is common knowledge, even people who don't smoke weed know this.
What fascinates me is that, apparently, some people have "bad trips" on cannabis. I honestly think that people who have "bad trips" or "freakouts" from cannabis are either people who are unfamiliar with the effects of cannabis, or people with fragile minds that can't handle an altered state of consciousness. I apologise if that sounds insensitive, but that's my personal opinion.
I think set and setting also play a role. Being in an unsafe area or being around people who make you uncomfortable can definitely make things worse.
With that being said, my personal experience with cannabis paranoia has always been benign. By that I mean that the paranoia has never been so intense that it overwhelms me, and I've always been able to recognise it for what it is and roll with it. Maybe I just haven't gotten high enough lol. Mind you, I've had some pretty intense weed highs, so I know what cannabis-induced anxiety feels like. Based on my personal experience, and I know that doesn't mean much, I just can't understand how someone could understand how someone can have a "bad trip" on weed.
What do you guys think? Please share your experiences with cannabis and anxiety!
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No amount of experience is going to make you immune to a bad time. People with psycadelic experience tend to have more bad times with cannabis.
If you don't get nervous smoking weed from time to time. You surely get nervous when the stash runs low.
There is no drug enlightenment. Lot's of fear is caused by people. Cops, authority, shitty friends, secrets and guilt.
I think some of it is an addiction to cannabis. Using just a little bit increases the negative effects. Using enough cures the ailments experienced during the detox. It's like that with a lot of meds too. That they say are not addictive. A cycle of curing the addiction with abundant use or not using enough and just stirring up anxiety/depression.
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ChemicalSpark said: Weed highs can change overtime and become more anxiety inducing than relaxing.
Yupp. Happened to me very recently.
I've been smokin/vaping/dabbing multiple times daily for yeears. Recently I stopped smoking/eatting weed for a FULL WEEK (that's huge for me). I haven't taken a 7 day break like that for 5 years. More over I haven't even taken a 2 day break in like 2 years.
Anyway. After a week of being sober i hit a dab of .3 grams of shatter w/ a mango (I'm sure some of you know the intimate connection between mangos and terps). It was the fucking most paranoia and anxiety I've felt in a really long time.. felt like a bad shroom trip. I actually saw visuals from a dab.. It was the craziest experience. That was a few days ago.. and I haven't smoked since
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23951406 - 12/23/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can induce paranoia and freak out on cannabis at any given moment, if you think you can't you're either not smoking enough or anything near potency. Everyone who has ever smoked weed has felt the paranoia it can induce at least once. And if you haven't, you simply haven't tested your limits.
Like friend above me said don't smoke for 2-4 weeks. Then come back to a half gram dab, sativa dab and finish it and try to enjoy your time.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23951415 - 12/23/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I usually find using more of my attachments calls me down. A taste just stirs things up. Can take some time getting enough. Hate being rushed.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23951523 - 12/23/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the replies guys!
It seems like from your guys' experience that cannabis can indeed cause a bad trip. I stand corrected. It's obvious that my experiences have been different from yours.
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Psilocybernator said: ... I just can't understand how someone could understand how someone can have a "bad trip" on weed.

Weed highs can change overtime and become more anxiety inducing than relaxing. It happened to me.
I ended up stopping altogether for a few months and just got back into it. Now my highs are back to "normal".
I guess I got burned out and needed a break or something.
You see, my experience has been the opposite. My early experiences were more anxiety-ridden than my later experiences.
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ChemicalSpark said: Weed highs can change overtime and become more anxiety inducing than relaxing.
Yupp. Happened to me very recently.
I've been smokin/vaping/dabbing multiple times daily for yeears. Recently I stopped smoking/eatting weed for a FULL WEEK (that's huge for me). I haven't taken a 7 day break like that for 5 years. More over I haven't even taken a 2 day break in like 2 years.
Anyway. After a week of being sober i hit a dab of .3 grams of shatter w/ a mango (I'm sure some of you know the intimate connection between mangos and terps). It was the fucking most paranoia and anxiety I've felt in a really long time.. felt like a bad shroom trip. I actually saw visuals from a dab.. It was the craziest experience. That was a few days ago.. and I haven't smoked since 
Thank you for sharing that personal experience maxpassin! I can only imagine what .3 grams of wax would do to a person, especially someone with no tolerance!
Would you mind telling me more about this experience you had maxpassin? Was it more like a panic attack, or just negative feelings like terror. I'm very curious! You also saw visuals? What were these like? I would love to know more!
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Psilocybernator said: Thank you for sharing that personal experience maxpassin! I can only imagine what .3 grams of wax would do to a person, especially someone with no tolerance!
Would you mind telling me more about this experience you had maxpassin? Was it more like a panic attack, or just negative feelings like terror. I'm very curious! You also saw visuals? What were these like? I would love to know more!
Haha yeah, I totally underestimated the fat dab I took. Mostly because I'm used to it.. I normally hit anywhere from 5-20 dabs daily, so I was like what the heck. Haven't smoked in so long I wanna get blown! Ahhhh lol.
The experience was really out there. For the first 10 minutes after dabbing I felt like I normally do after a dab. I always dab when I'm working or trying to do something productive. Weed usually helps me concentrate and really get into my work.
But when I tried to function from this dab I just couldn't. I just sat there in my chair and closed my eyes, that's when the visuals came in. I was so tripped out that I was feeling like THAT from a DAB. Then I started to go into a totally negative mindset, almost like a bad trip.
I can't remember exactly what it was, but I was closely examining all the negative aspects of my life. Like how I'm not where I want to be in life, all the times I've majorly fucked up, all the people I've ever hurt or wronged.. just negative fucking shit that I hate thinking about. In an attempt to snap myself out of it I got up and proceeded to go to my backyard for some fresh air.
Dude.. right before I stepped out of the door (my dog totally just ran out happy af) I got so self-conscious I just left the door open and went back into the house. Far enough in where I could get some air but not be seen by anyone. I ended up staring at my plants outside. The green leaves on my blueberry bushes turned into black/purple blobs and I just felt so heavy looking at them. I really wanted to go all the way out but something kept me back..
The only time I felt like this was on one of my shroom trips. I ate 4g (I don't have the highest shroom tolerance). I was all happy and I wanted to go walk around my neighborhood and experience the outdoors. But again right before I walked out the door the thoughts came in.. would I look like some crazy tweaker walking around? would they laugh at me? I mean it ain't shit when I'm sober I can care less about what people think of me. But in that mind state its totally different and harder to overcome by willpower alone.
But back to the dab trip. I went back to my room and I felt hella uneasy. Like HELLA uneasy. The only solution I could come up with was meditation. So I meditated for a good hour. The first 30mins were more me fighting off negative thoughts with willpower. Though they'd always sneak back somehow. But the second half was more peaceful as I was coming down. I tuned into my body's frequency and subtly and slowly calmed myself down.
You asked about the visuals; they were comparable to a ~2g shroom trip to me. like geometric patterns and stuff.
Hope that was able to give you some insight! and thanks for giving me the opportunity to share my experience
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Never thought i would tell strangers stuff not even my partner isn't aware of, but this triggers me. In short:
I started indulging as an early teenager and was always able to "handle" and enjoy all sorts of weed and hash (amongst other stuff) for more than ten years to the fullest. That's when i suddenly had an experience that changed my life forever. It was with "normal" hash in a bong, as done 2387462 times before, and as everyone else had that day, "normal" quality and a "normal" amount, but the panic attack that i experienced aftwewards was immediately full on. It felt like my mind just said "after all those years today i gotta tell you that enough is enough, i can't take it anymore" from one moment to the other.
I've never had this intense feeling of anxiety and fear before. It's like you know that you die in the next second without dying. I've tried to smoke various strains and types of hash in the following days and weeks but the "rush" always felt like an acid trip gone bad (without optical hallucinations). So i had to quit my beloved weed. The negative mindset, including other "joyful" states like depression and depersonalisation lasted over the next days, weeks, months, years, slowly fading into a normal life after 3-5 years with the help of a great psychotherapist. All this is behind me, i feel okay for almost 10 years now but wouldn't try weed unless it's legal and i am able to mix it with enough cbd... that will hopefully not send me into a downward spiral. But i can wait another 10 years to find out, i'm not in a hurry.
Bottom line: When i read in the original post "people who have "bad trips" (...) are unfamiliar with the effects (...) can't handle an altered state of consciousness." i can't help but say: uuuUhm: Nopes. If it was only THAT easy. IMHO in reality there are so many factors taken into consideration, the human mind is far more complex, if i'm not mistaken then even in the year 2016 scientists are still not 100% sure why and how weed can cause mental breakdowns.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23951976 - 12/23/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybernator said: Thank you for sharing that personal experience maxpassin! I can only imagine what .3 grams of wax would do to a person, especially someone with no tolerance!
Would you mind telling me more about this experience you had maxpassin? Was it more like a panic attack, or just negative feelings like terror. I'm very curious! You also saw visuals? What were these like? I would love to know more!
Haha yeah, I totally underestimated the fat dab I took. Mostly because I'm used to it.. I normally hit anywhere from 5-20 dabs daily, so I was like what the heck. Haven't smoked in so long I wanna get blown! Ahhhh lol.
The experience was really out there. For the first 10 minutes after dabbing I felt like I normally do after a dab. I always dab when I'm working or trying to do something productive. Weed usually helps me concentrate and really get into my work.
But when I tried to function from this dab I just couldn't. I just sat there in my chair and closed my eyes, that's when the visuals came in. I was so tripped out that I was feeling like THAT from a DAB. Then I started to go into a totally negative mindset, almost like a bad trip.
I can't remember exactly what it was, but I was closely examining all the negative aspects of my life. Like how I'm not where I want to be in life, all the times I've majorly fucked up, all the people I've ever hurt or wronged.. just negative fucking shit that I hate thinking about. In an attempt to snap myself out of it I got up and proceeded to go to my backyard for some fresh air.
Dude.. right before I stepped out of the door (my dog totally just ran out happy af) I got so self-conscious I just left the door open and went back into the house. Far enough in where I could get some air but not be seen by anyone. I ended up staring at my plants outside. The green leaves on my blueberry bushes turned into black/purple blobs and I just felt so heavy looking at them. I really wanted to go all the way out but something kept me back..
The only time I felt like this was on one of my shroom trips. I ate 4g (I don't have the highest shroom tolerance). I was all happy and I wanted to go walk around my neighborhood and experience the outdoors. But again right before I walked out the door the thoughts came in.. would I look like some crazy tweaker walking around? would they laugh at me? I mean it ain't shit when I'm sober I can care less about what people think of me. But in that mind state its totally different and harder to overcome by willpower alone.
But back to the dab trip. I went back to my room and I felt hella uneasy. Like HELLA uneasy. The only solution I could come up with was meditation. So I meditated for a good hour. The first 30mins were more me fighting off negative thoughts with willpower. Though they'd always sneak back somehow. But the second half was more peaceful as I was coming down. I tuned into my body's frequency and subtly and slowly calmed myself down.
You asked about the visuals; they were comparable to a ~2g shroom trip to me. like geometric patterns and stuff.
Hope that was able to give you some insight! and thanks for giving me the opportunity to share my experience 
That sounds intense man. I'm glad to hear you pulled yourself out of it at the end though. Meditation ftw. You said that in this experience, you examined negative aspects of your life. Do you feel like this helped you in any way?
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I usually get no anxiety on weed, but I've had a couple of rougher times on edibles. More manageable than real psychedelics for sure, but still it can get very uncomfortable even just in a physical sense and I don't see why that should be surprising, as the same happens with every drug I've ever tried beyond a certain dosage
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ozzinated said: IMHO in reality there are so many factors taken into consideradtion, the human mind is far more complex, if i'm not mistaken then even in the year 2016 scientists are still not 100% sure why and how weed can cause mental breakdowns.
Shit, in 2016 neuro-scientists only know the hard facts of about 10% of the human brain. We're a long ways from establishing the full effect of pretty much anything on the brain.
It's funny, I probably wouldn't have understood your trip so well if I had read it a month ago.
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Psilocybernator said: That sounds intense man. I'm glad to hear you pulled yourself out of it at the end though. Meditation ftw. You said that in this experience, you examined negative aspects of your life. Do you feel like this helped you in any way?
Intense is the only way I can describe it too.
And no lol. It didn't help me at all. It's like resurfacing things that you've already comes to terms/peace with. Just dwelling in bs that you thought you were done with
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23952030 - 12/23/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had a similar panic attack on weed, but I've never smoked before. Ingested 30mg of THC and the high lasted solid 9+ hours. At the last hour I got the panic attack, was immobilised by fear in a corner with geometric patterns all over the walls, ceiling and floor. I was in fetal position just crying, felt like dying over and over and over. I guess that was too much for a weed noob. I was sure the world would end any second.
I ended up calling my mom, who has smoked weed her entire life and she came over and comforted me.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: Tiamo]
#23952035 - 12/23/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus, I thought I did a lot of pot!
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
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ozzinated said: IMHO in reality there are so many factors taken into consideradtion, the human mind is far more complex, if i'm not mistaken then even in the year 2016 scientists are still not 100% sure why and how weed can cause mental breakdowns.
Shit, in 2016 neuro-scientists only know the hard facts of about 10% of the human brain. We're a long ways from establishing the full effect of pretty much anything on the brain.
It's funny, I probably wouldn't have understood your trip so well if I had read it a month ago.
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Intense is the only way I can describe it too.
And no lol. It didn't help me at all. It's like resurfacing things that you've already comes to terms/peace with. Just dwelling in bs that you thought you were done with 
Yeah the human brain is beyond complicated. Maxpassin ,it sucks that you feel like you didn't learn anything from your experience. I would've thought you got some insights on your life at least.
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Tiamo said: I had a similar panic attack on weed, but I've never smoked before. Ingested 30mg of THC and the high lasted solid 9 hours. At the last hour I got the panic attack, was immobilised by fear in a corner with geometric patterns all over the walls, ceiling and floor. I was in fetal position just crying, felt like dying over and over and over. I guess that was too much for a weed noob. I was sure the world would end any second.
Damn bro that's intense af too. I truly never imagined 30mg could do that to you. I'm used to taking 500mg+ just to even feel anything.. But considerable when you're not an avid stoner. You ever smoke/eat weed since?
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Psilocybernator said: Maxpassin ,it sucks that you feel like you didn't learn anything from your experience. I would've thought you got some insights on your life at least.
In that particular trip, the only thing I probably learned was how to control/guide my mind away from bad thoughts. I'd chalk that up as a life lesson for damn sure.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
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No, so I can't really say if I don't like weed or what. I haven't had the courage too. I remember the first 9 hours were glorious though, I was straight up tripping. The CEVs were incomparable to LSD/mushrooms, they were more hallucinations than geometry. Good stuff.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: Tiamo]
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Ezuma said: I usually get no anxiety on weed, but I've had a couple of rougher times on edibles. More manageable than real psychedelics for sure, but still it can get very uncomfortable even just in a physical sense and I don't see why that should be surprising, as the same happens with every drug I've ever tried beyond a certain dosage 
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Tiamo said: I had a similar panic attack on weed, but I've never smoked before. Ingested 30mg of THC and the high lasted solid 9+ hours. At the last hour I got the panic attack, was immobilised by fear in a corner with geometric patterns all over the walls, ceiling and floor. I was in fetal position just crying, felt like dying over and over and over. I guess that was too much for a weed noob. I was sure the world would end any second.
I ended up calling my mom, who has smoked weed her entire life and she came over and comforted me.
Edibles are fucking gnarly lol. I remember this one time, I ate two fat space muffins. Safe to say, I was pretty toasted. At the peak it literally felt like my face was melting. I actually wasn't too freaked out by this. I knew that what was happening was a result of a substantial amount of THC hitting my cannabinoid receptors so I was able to take it in stride.
Tiamo, it sounds like you had a particularly rough time. How did that phone call go?
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In that particular trip, the only thing I probably learned was how to control/guide my mind away from bad thoughts. I'd chalk that up as a life lesson for damn sure.
That is a good lesson to learn maxpassin! You are in control! Never forget that.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: ozzinated]
#23952287 - 12/23/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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In my experience there are 3 stages of cannabis use:
Fresh tolerance, when you haven't smoked at all or in awhile and have little to no tolerance. At this stage it is easy to overdo it especially with extracts and super potent high thc strains. Overdoing it is likely to lead to anxiety IMO.
Regular tolerance, after you have smoked for awhile your body gets use to it. At this stage you have a solid tolerance but still light enough to not have to smoke a ton. This stage is easiest to not overdo things as you have found your sweatshirt most likely.
Huge tolerance, if you smoke daily like me you may find you have a large tolerance. This leads to smoking more and more often leading to more negative effects such as lethargy a sore throat and anxiety.
Personally I only tend to experience anxiety when something stresses me out. Sometimes I get random waves of it especially when smoking high thc buds and extracts.
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Psilocybernator said: What fascinates me is that, apparently, some people have "bad trips" on cannabis. I honestly think that people who have "bad trips" or "freakouts" from cannabis are either people who are unfamiliar with the effects of cannabis, or people with fragile minds that can't handle an altered state of consciousness. I apologise if that sounds insensitive, but that's my personal opinion.
That is not only a completely immature viewpoint but I could also not disagree more. I find the opposite is true actually.
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Smoked weed for a very long time now, as a regular and occasional user and back to regular again. I can't say i've ever had a time I wish I hadn't smoked pot, but there are times where I took it too far in the wrong situation and it would have turned out better had I laid off the pipe for 10 mins.
I know very smart people who get anxious and I know very smart people who haven't a care in the world and never will. It really is dependent on who you are and how well adjusted you are to psychonautics. Some people can never accept that if a pea sized piece of paper with some one-off fungus extract can take your entire view of reality, dissolve it and precipitate a hardened form, then why couldn't eating a pb&j or drinking a cup of coffee. It exposes people to the idea that their way of thinking is flawed or at least enlightens them to other possiblities.
If this is a thread asking for advice i'd just say stop smoking pot or at least take it back a notch if you get anxious or paranoid, it's just a manifestating of your bodies fight or flight kicking in.
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Psilocybernator said: Hi Shroomerites!
We all know that THC can cause anxiety. Or "paranoia", as most people choose to describe it. This is common knowledge, even people who don't smoke weed know this.
What fascinates me is that, apparently, some people have "bad trips" on cannabis. I honestly think that people who have "bad trips" or "freakouts" from cannabis are either people who are unfamiliar with the effects of cannabis, or people with fragile minds that can't handle an altered state of consciousness. I apologise if that sounds insensitive, but that's my personal opinion.
I think set and setting also play a role. Being in an unsafe area or being around people who make you uncomfortable can definitely make things worse.
With that being said, my personal experience with cannabis paranoia has always been benign. By that I mean that the paranoia has never been so intense that it overwhelms me, and I've always been able to recognise it for what it is and roll with it. Maybe I just haven't gotten high enough lol. Mind you, I've had some pretty intense weed highs, so I know what cannabis-induced anxiety feels like. Based on my personal experience, and I know that doesn't mean much, I just can't understand how someone could understand how someone can have a "bad trip" on weed.
What do you guys think? Please share your experiences with cannabis and anxiety!
All depends on tolerance. Weed gets me paranoid yet psychs never do so i disagree
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Psilocybernator said: Hi Shroomerites!
We all know that THC can cause anxiety. Or "paranoia", as most people choose to describe it. This is common knowledge, even people who don't smoke weed know this.
What fascinates me is that, apparently, some people have "bad trips" on cannabis. I honestly think that people who have "bad trips" or "freakouts" from cannabis are either people who are unfamiliar with the effects of cannabis, or people with fragile minds that can't handle an altered state of consciousness. I apologise if that sounds insensitive, but that's my personal opinion.
A bad trip whether on LSD or Cannabis is just a moment or time in that particular day when everything goes tits up for some reason or other and the drug and panic mix together and produce an adverse reaction sometimes psychotic.
The chemicals released by fear/panic (probably adrenaline) combine with cannabis (especially) and psychedelic drugs to make what is basically something indistinguishable from paranoid schizophrenia.
Some people seem to be more prone to these kind of reactions. It may be because they are somehow mentally weaker than people such as yourself but it might also be because they are mentally stronger, and that their imaginations and experiences are simply more powerful than your own, and as a result the mental manifestations their minds produce are more difficult to ignore and dismiss. And what really is paranoid if not a person who thinks more than other people or is good for him?
How old are you dude? If you're still young I wouldnt speak to soon about your ability to handle cannabis or psychedelics as the wheel is very much still in spin. It tends to start getting to people a little later when people start realizing that they are no longer immortal teenagers! Or else in my own case cannabis is terrifying these days (though still love it!) because I had bad (more live evil) psychedelic trips while using cannabis and it works very much on association. One toke over the line for me these days will have me flashing back into insanity but this isnt really simply a cannabis experience my mind is older and has seen alot more horror than the average toker!
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: wolf8312]
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I have no earthly idea what the heck OP is talking about because most of my bad trips from weed came after I was really experienced, in fact before using psychedelics I never really got "bad weed trips" and the effects of THC never really shook me up like it does now.
When I was younger I was invincible and so were most of my friends so I really have no clue what OP is getting at. His personal experience seems drastically different from most people I know.
I know people who take LSD and Ayahuasca regularly who can't even handle 2 tokes of weed. It has nothing to do with being ignorant or unfamiliar with the effects of THC. In fact I'd argue that the more familiar you are with the cannabis high the more likely you are to have a freakout/bad trip because people who are actually educated on the effects of cannabis know that it's a psychotomimetic and most hallucinogens aren't. Out of all the mainstream drugs cannabis is probably the most anxiogenic. I figured this was common consensus but apparently not.
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I usually don't get anxiety from weed, unless I am trying to hide it, am driving somewhere, or am tripping. I have had severe panic attacks when I smoked weed and was tripping on lsd.
I even get paranoid when I have weed in the car, and am not high
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: LSDollar]
#23960878 - 12/27/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've hit level 5 on salvia, level 4 borderline 5 on mushrooms, etc
The bad trips are just as bad as a paranoid high on weed for me.
I can handle mushrooms and salvia much better. Even when I can hardly see from so much mushroom visuals, I can still usually handle myself better, or equally.
There's something weird about how differently cannabis effects people.
I am too high if I smoke a whole one hitter bowl. It's weird. I've tried to raise my tolerance, and it does help reduce anxiety. But still I can't get to the point where I could finish a bowl. 10 mg edibles are very strong for me I prefer 5 mg max. And that's with a tolerance.
Also I found out I feel much better with less negative effects with pure sativas like Durban Poison. So the whole indica if you get paranoid advice was opposite for me.
Weed is weird.
If I had a choice between 5 grams of mushrooms or a dab I would choose mushrooms every time. You couldn't pay me to take a dab.
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We all know that THC can cause anxiety. Or "paranoia", as most people choose to describe it. This is common knowledge, even people who don't smoke weed know this.....
Every time I quit weed for whatever reason - I always have paranoia upon my return. The first couple times I get panic attacks. You gotta smoke weed on a regular basis for that to go away. After that it's wonderful.
I can imagine people hating weed because of the anxiety they had the first few times they tried it. Shit is super potent these days. That's great if you have a tolerance, but if you don't it can be very unpleasant.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: d0urd3n]
#23960902 - 12/27/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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d0urd3n said: If I had a choice between 5 grams of mushrooms or a dab I would choose mushrooms every time. You couldn't pay me to take a dab.
Hmm well imo dabs give way less paranoia and anxiety than smoked flower and less derealization. I think if you do it right it can be much easier to handle than smoked flower. It's just most people dab wrong, they either just take way too much or they heat the nail up way too hot so they inhale hot smoke and cough up lungs.
Also interesting what you said about 10mg edibles being powerful for you because I gave my girlfriend 30mg and she didn't get noticeably high at all she just experienced threshold effects and could orgasm easier but she said she didn't really feel different. I say this because she has a stupidly low tolerance and has only gotten high maybe 8 or 9 times in her life.
65mg from a hash oil made edible though put her on her ass and gave her a very powerful experience and a bad trip. Her heart was beating so fast and she even passed out while standing up. So I think it really depends what the edible is made from too. 100mg of a normal weed based edible for me wont make me feel much but 100mg of a hash oil based edible will get me tripping.
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musiclover420 said: In my experience there are 3 stages of cannabis use:
Fresh tolerance, when you haven't smoked at all or in awhile and have little to no tolerance. At this stage it is easy to overdo it especially with extracts and super potent high thc strains. Overdoing it is likely to lead to anxiety IMO.
Regular tolerance, after you have smoked for awhile your body gets use to it. At this stage you have a solid tolerance but still light enough to not have to smoke a ton. This stage is easiest to not overdo things as you have found your sweatshirt most likely.
Huge tolerance, if you smoke daily like me you may find you have a large tolerance. This leads to smoking more and more often leading to more negative effects such as lethargy a sore throat and anxiety.
Personally I only tend to experience anxiety when something stresses me out. Sometimes I get random waves of it especially when smoking high thc buds and extracts.
There's also a 4th stage called dependency/psychological addiction
Which can even lead to depression which i've experienced, when it's so hard to quit without running into serious withdrawal symptoms you feel like you're afflicted by the herb, it can cause some serious depression sometimes, until you remind yourself that this is your life style. and at the end of the day, I would prefer to be smoking cannabis than not, every time.
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I'm always conscious of my paranoia when I'm high, I've never done anything in stupidity because of it. It actually makes me laugh how retarded my thoughts become, like I'll think some random is going to crawl through my bedroom window and stab me to death, but I find it humerus tbh.
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Eclipse3130 said: There's also a 4th stage called dependency/psychological addiction
I don't think addiction entails a new stage I think it's just part of the last one stated. He was just talking about tolerance after all, I think addiction/dependence falls under the category of the 3rd one; huge tolerance.
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I am definitely in the 4th stage I have gotten better about controlling my intake though.
Some days I will try and not smoke at all, just vaping a bit throughout the day. Others I just take dabs.
I pretty much never smoke joints now and always use my bong or vape which helps me not smoke as much when I am not overdoing it 
Been trying to take a tolerance break but it is challenging, I associate everything with smoking from eating food to drinking beverages to music and tv/ video games.
It's tough, thankfully cannabis is relatively benign and it would be worse if I drank alcohol or smoked tobacco. Still I feel bad about "abusing" it.
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My experience is that at first weed is like a stimulant and makes your heart race and you laugh at anything, then when your body is adjusted it doesn't do shit and makes you anxious. There are millions of different plants and receptor cites for those plants. Weed making you anxious is a way of telling you that your having too much of it and need a switch. I was put on probation and couldn't smoke and was like fuck then I got a script for adder all and realized I prob would never of got this if I hadn't quit weed. If you can't get adder all try kratom or just take a tolerance break but too much of anything is good for nothing
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I wonder what smoking CBD weed would be like while withdrawing from THC.
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Whenever someone smokes weed or takes a psychedelic they have to confront years of authority figures, news media, parents, and even peers who have said that drugs destroy your brain, and if you do them you will probably get arrested, addicted, go insane, and die. 
Imagine you've just gotten really high for the first time and suddenly a lifetime of negative suggestions applies to you, and also you are technically a criminal (and possibly a sinner) in the opinion of whatever backwards corrupt jurisdiction you happen to reside in.
And your really high. It can be a lot to deal with. 
Suggestions like that can weigh heavily on the minds of anyone, high or not. 
I think that it is likely that if we just legalized weed, and told everyone that it was perfectly safe and all around good medicine, we could eliminate most of the negative side effects associated with getting high. 
Just another example of the irresponsible disregard of the placebo effect run amok.
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psychedelicliz said: Whenever someone smokes weed or takes a psychedelic they have to confront years of authority figures, news media, parents, and even peers who have said that drugs destroy your brain, and if you do them you will probably get arrested, addicted, go insane, and die. 
Imagine you've just gotten really high for the first time and suddenly a lifetime of negative suggestions applies to you, and also you are technically a criminal (and possibly a sinner) in the opinion of whatever backwards corrupt jurisdiction you happen to reside in.
And your really high. It can be a lot to deal with. 
Suggestions like that can weigh heavily on the minds of anyone, high or not. 
I think that it is likely that if we just legalized weed, and told everyone that it was perfectly safe and all around good medicine, we could eliminate most of the negative side effects associated with getting high. 
Just another example of the irresponsible disregard of the placebo effect run amok. 
I hear people say that but I don't necessarily think that's true. Because by this logic that would mean every single illegal drug would give anxiety or at least every hallucinogenic illicit drug but at the end of the day pot is the only one that's given me anxiety and paranoia as an effect. Plus I already know intrinsically that weed isn't bad so I don't think it's "taboo" nature adds to how I feel about the high. Hell where I live in Cali weed is pretty much a food group. Plus weed is already legal where I live but that hasn't made it any less anxiogenic for me. IMO it's just an inherent quality of the cannabis high. THC is a psychotomimetic after all.
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After the first couple times when I was in my sophomore year of high school their was only a few times I had "bad trips" from weed usually by cop scares, or parent scares lol
But then I went a few years of solid daily use where I never had any issues with it until earlier this year when I had really bad anxiety for some reason, I used to be the one who was saying weed could never cause that stuff and just couldn't see how it was possible, but when j smoked weed during that time the second I blew the smoke out I was freaking.
Full blown panic attack and I drove myself to the ER. Huge mistake all they did was belittle me and charge me 600 hundred dollars.
Weed anxiety is certainly a real thing, I still smoke but I find it less and less enjoyable as I get older.
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If you eat enough.. like a gram of shatter get ready to be destroyed.
Something about weed makes me look way more critically at things, mostly myself if I do a ton of it. The things I think about are true but other times they are complete fabrications and if you're not good at dismissing your own thoughts it can get really hard. As long as I don't eat/smoke a crazy amount I'm ok.
LSD and mush on the other hand usually make my mind very still and calm. Weed and do this too it just depends on the dose.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: Eggtimer]
#23961699 - 12/28/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting, ive had so many different styles of trips. I've had the calm and still experience where everything is layed out clearly and the message is conveyed with ease.
I've also had trips where my mind was racing a million miles a second and it was hard to grab a toehold of anything and really pull any sort of revelation from the trip besides " man I was seriously fucking high an hour ago" lol.
It really is different every time for me, set and setting is certainly most of it.
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psychedelicliz said: Whenever someone smokes weed or takes a psychedelic they have to confront years of authority figures, news media, parents, and even peers who have said that drugs destroy your brain, and if you do them you will probably get arrested, addicted, go insane, and die. 
Imagine you've just gotten really high for the first time and suddenly a lifetime of negative suggestions applies to you, and also you are technically a criminal (and possibly a sinner) in the opinion of whatever backwards corrupt jurisdiction you happen to reside in.
And your really high. It can be a lot to deal with. 
Suggestions like that can weigh heavily on the minds of anyone, high or not. 
I think that it is likely that if we just legalized weed, and told everyone that it was perfectly safe and all around good medicine, we could eliminate most of the negative side effects associated with getting high. 
Just another example of the irresponsible disregard of the placebo effect run amok. 
I hear people say that but I don't necessarily think that's true. Because by this logic that would mean every single illegal drug would give anxiety or at least every hallucinogenic illicit drug but at the end of the day pot is the only one that's given me anxiety and paranoia as an effect. Plus I already know intrinsically that weed isn't bad so I don't think it's "taboo" nature adds to how I feel about the high. Hell where I live in Cali weed is pretty much a food group. Plus weed is already legal where I live but that hasn't made it any less anxiogenic for me. IMO it's just an inherent quality of the cannabis high. THC is a psychotomimetic after all.
I have encountered people on all sorts of drugs freaking out and paranoid except possibly ecstacy. 
I have also encountered people who seem to have a good time no matter what they take. 
One bit of anecdotal evidence that supports the suggestion theory I presented is as follows. :
I once had a friend who threw constant parties at his house and was always getting drugs for himself and friends. 
At one point they got a consistent hookup on "molly/mdma." 
According to accounts from those involved it was a white powder substance. 
Everybody was doing molly and having an absolutely ecstatic time. Much better than the mixed rolls typically available in the area. 
Then someone found out that molly was supposed to be a brown powdered substance. 
The shit hit the fan over a period of a few weeks and it turned out that everybody was taking "bath salts" a designer drug similar in effect to PCP. 
Bath Salts are known for making people have PCP style total paranoid freak outs and occasionally resort to eating other peoples faces. 
Everybody doing the bath salts and thinking that it was MDMA had no paranoid and were just experiencing intense euphoria with a slightly psychedelic tinge. 
They all got pretty angry when they found out about the lie though. 
I believe that most of these people would have had different experiences if they thought that they were taking a PCP analog. 
Navigating human consciousness can be tricky business.
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psychedelicliz said: I have encountered people on all sorts of drugs freaking out and paranoid except possibly ecstacy. 
I'm not saying you can't freakout on other drugs and I'm definitely not saying pot is the only drug I've seen make people anxious. I'm saying pot is the only drug I've seen make people inherently anxious unless we're talking about DPH and weird amphetamines.
Whenever I saw people freakout on other drugs there was always some other reason for it, it's not like the drug created it it just heightened bad vibes that already existed.
Paranoia is an effect of cannabis it isn't an effect of LSD or mushrooms. Of course it can happen on LSD or mushrooms but it's not an actual effect which is my point, it's just an amplification of anxiety that's already there when it comes to psychedelics. Weed however seems creates anxiety and paranoia out of thin air. This is common consensus too, I don't know a single experienced person who wouldn't agree with me.
That story seems fishy to me because first off anyone can tell the difference between PCP and MDMA whether you're a novice drug user or not and second off I highly doubt bath salts is even remotely similar to PCP or any dissociative. Also I call BS on them "finding out" that it was bathsalts. How do they know? How did they find out?
Do you want my own example? Well the first time I took ketamine I thought it was going to feel like MDMA or DXM and did it? No...not even close. It gave me tons of anxiety and was nothing like I expected. No one would ever confuse a dissociative for MDMA that just doesn't happen.
Molly can also be white it doesn't have to be beige, the best MDMA crystals I've ever had were actually pink.
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I always hated smoking and going out in public when I was 11 YO. Now, I never smoke with lightweights. I still hate walking down the street or going somewhere when I'm stoned, and I basically know one guy who I can smoke with. I'm quit cannabis for a few years.
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Rollin.n.Strollin said: I'm always conscious of my paranoia when I'm high, I've never done anything in stupidity because of it. It actually makes me laugh how retarded my thoughts become, like I'll think some random is going to crawl through my bedroom window and stab me to death, but I find it humerus tbh.
This is exactly how I feel Rollin.n.Strollin! Through many cannabis highs, I've learned to detach from the anxiogenic effects. My first experiences with cannabis were borderline psychedelic, yet I was always able, in that state, to recognise it for what it is, and roll with it. I actually enjoyed those early experiences more. The racing thoughts, the mindfuck, the intense enhancement of music, I loved all of it. Never could learn to enjoy the elevated heart rate, though. Although, even that effect never caused panic either, again because I knew that it was a normal effect of cannabis intoxication.
I guess all the research I did when I was getting into cannabis really helped me.
I think that weed is psychedelic and if not psychedelic, then certainly mind expanding, and that's why I love it!
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said: No amount of experience is going to make you immune to a bad time. People with psycadelic experience tend to have more bad times with cannabis.
If you don't get nervous smoking weed from time to time. You surely get nervous when the stash runs low.
There is no drug enlightenment. Lot's of fear is caused by people. Cops, authority, shitty friends, secrets and guilt.
I think some of it is an addiction to cannabis. Using just a little bit increases the negative effects. Using enough cures the ailments experienced during the detox. It's like that with a lot of meds too. That they say are not addictive. A cycle of curing the addiction with abundant use or not using enough and just stirring up anxiety/depression.
I get a major fear of death when i experience weed anxiety. Weed is the only drug that does it to me. Its like death becomes this equation or problem that stares at me while im high and its just saying "yup.im death and im coming for you. Nothing is going to stop me. Nothing. You will be dead and even worse you will need to die sooner than later. Sucks for you"
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