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AuroraBorealis88
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Psilocybernator said: What fascinates me is that, apparently, some people have "bad trips" on cannabis. I honestly think that people who have "bad trips" or "freakouts" from cannabis are either people who are unfamiliar with the effects of cannabis, or people with fragile minds that can't handle an altered state of consciousness. I apologise if that sounds insensitive, but that's my personal opinion.
That is not only a completely immature viewpoint but I could also not disagree more. I find the opposite is true actually.
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Smoked weed for a very long time now, as a regular and occasional user and back to regular again. I can't say i've ever had a time I wish I hadn't smoked pot, but there are times where I took it too far in the wrong situation and it would have turned out better had I laid off the pipe for 10 mins.
I know very smart people who get anxious and I know very smart people who haven't a care in the world and never will. It really is dependent on who you are and how well adjusted you are to psychonautics. Some people can never accept that if a pea sized piece of paper with some one-off fungus extract can take your entire view of reality, dissolve it and precipitate a hardened form, then why couldn't eating a pb&j or drinking a cup of coffee. It exposes people to the idea that their way of thinking is flawed or at least enlightens them to other possiblities.
If this is a thread asking for advice i'd just say stop smoking pot or at least take it back a notch if you get anxious or paranoid, it's just a manifestating of your bodies fight or flight kicking in.
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Psilocybernator said: Hi Shroomerites!
We all know that THC can cause anxiety. Or "paranoia", as most people choose to describe it. This is common knowledge, even people who don't smoke weed know this.
What fascinates me is that, apparently, some people have "bad trips" on cannabis. I honestly think that people who have "bad trips" or "freakouts" from cannabis are either people who are unfamiliar with the effects of cannabis, or people with fragile minds that can't handle an altered state of consciousness. I apologise if that sounds insensitive, but that's my personal opinion.
I think set and setting also play a role. Being in an unsafe area or being around people who make you uncomfortable can definitely make things worse.
With that being said, my personal experience with cannabis paranoia has always been benign. By that I mean that the paranoia has never been so intense that it overwhelms me, and I've always been able to recognise it for what it is and roll with it. Maybe I just haven't gotten high enough lol. Mind you, I've had some pretty intense weed highs, so I know what cannabis-induced anxiety feels like. Based on my personal experience, and I know that doesn't mean much, I just can't understand how someone could understand how someone can have a "bad trip" on weed.
What do you guys think? Please share your experiences with cannabis and anxiety!
All depends on tolerance. Weed gets me paranoid yet psychs never do so i disagree
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Psilocybernator said: Hi Shroomerites!
We all know that THC can cause anxiety. Or "paranoia", as most people choose to describe it. This is common knowledge, even people who don't smoke weed know this.
What fascinates me is that, apparently, some people have "bad trips" on cannabis. I honestly think that people who have "bad trips" or "freakouts" from cannabis are either people who are unfamiliar with the effects of cannabis, or people with fragile minds that can't handle an altered state of consciousness. I apologise if that sounds insensitive, but that's my personal opinion.
A bad trip whether on LSD or Cannabis is just a moment or time in that particular day when everything goes tits up for some reason or other and the drug and panic mix together and produce an adverse reaction sometimes psychotic.
The chemicals released by fear/panic (probably adrenaline) combine with cannabis (especially) and psychedelic drugs to make what is basically something indistinguishable from paranoid schizophrenia.
Some people seem to be more prone to these kind of reactions. It may be because they are somehow mentally weaker than people such as yourself but it might also be because they are mentally stronger, and that their imaginations and experiences are simply more powerful than your own, and as a result the mental manifestations their minds produce are more difficult to ignore and dismiss. And what really is paranoid if not a person who thinks more than other people or is good for him?
How old are you dude? If you're still young I wouldnt speak to soon about your ability to handle cannabis or psychedelics as the wheel is very much still in spin. It tends to start getting to people a little later when people start realizing that they are no longer immortal teenagers! Or else in my own case cannabis is terrifying these days (though still love it!) because I had bad (more live evil) psychedelic trips while using cannabis and it works very much on association. One toke over the line for me these days will have me flashing back into insanity but this isnt really simply a cannabis experience my mind is older and has seen alot more horror than the average toker!
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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: wolf8312]
#23958017 - 12/26/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have no earthly idea what the heck OP is talking about because most of my bad trips from weed came after I was really experienced, in fact before using psychedelics I never really got "bad weed trips" and the effects of THC never really shook me up like it does now.
When I was younger I was invincible and so were most of my friends so I really have no clue what OP is getting at. His personal experience seems drastically different from most people I know.
I know people who take LSD and Ayahuasca regularly who can't even handle 2 tokes of weed. It has nothing to do with being ignorant or unfamiliar with the effects of THC. In fact I'd argue that the more familiar you are with the cannabis high the more likely you are to have a freakout/bad trip because people who are actually educated on the effects of cannabis know that it's a psychotomimetic and most hallucinogens aren't. Out of all the mainstream drugs cannabis is probably the most anxiogenic. I figured this was common consensus but apparently not.
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I usually don't get anxiety from weed, unless I am trying to hide it, am driving somewhere, or am tripping. I have had severe panic attacks when I smoked weed and was tripping on lsd.
I even get paranoid when I have weed in the car, and am not high
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: LSDollar]
#23960878 - 12/27/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've hit level 5 on salvia, level 4 borderline 5 on mushrooms, etc
The bad trips are just as bad as a paranoid high on weed for me.
I can handle mushrooms and salvia much better. Even when I can hardly see from so much mushroom visuals, I can still usually handle myself better, or equally.
There's something weird about how differently cannabis effects people.
I am too high if I smoke a whole one hitter bowl. It's weird. I've tried to raise my tolerance, and it does help reduce anxiety. But still I can't get to the point where I could finish a bowl. 10 mg edibles are very strong for me I prefer 5 mg max. And that's with a tolerance.
Also I found out I feel much better with less negative effects with pure sativas like Durban Poison. So the whole indica if you get paranoid advice was opposite for me.
Weed is weird.
If I had a choice between 5 grams of mushrooms or a dab I would choose mushrooms every time. You couldn't pay me to take a dab.
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Psilocybernator said:
We all know that THC can cause anxiety. Or "paranoia", as most people choose to describe it. This is common knowledge, even people who don't smoke weed know this.....
Every time I quit weed for whatever reason - I always have paranoia upon my return. The first couple times I get panic attacks. You gotta smoke weed on a regular basis for that to go away. After that it's wonderful.
I can imagine people hating weed because of the anxiety they had the first few times they tried it. Shit is super potent these days. That's great if you have a tolerance, but if you don't it can be very unpleasant.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: d0urd3n]
#23960902 - 12/27/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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d0urd3n said: If I had a choice between 5 grams of mushrooms or a dab I would choose mushrooms every time. You couldn't pay me to take a dab.
Hmm well imo dabs give way less paranoia and anxiety than smoked flower and less derealization. I think if you do it right it can be much easier to handle than smoked flower. It's just most people dab wrong, they either just take way too much or they heat the nail up way too hot so they inhale hot smoke and cough up lungs.
Also interesting what you said about 10mg edibles being powerful for you because I gave my girlfriend 30mg and she didn't get noticeably high at all she just experienced threshold effects and could orgasm easier but she said she didn't really feel different. I say this because she has a stupidly low tolerance and has only gotten high maybe 8 or 9 times in her life.
65mg from a hash oil made edible though put her on her ass and gave her a very powerful experience and a bad trip. Her heart was beating so fast and she even passed out while standing up. So I think it really depends what the edible is made from too. 100mg of a normal weed based edible for me wont make me feel much but 100mg of a hash oil based edible will get me tripping.
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musiclover420 said: In my experience there are 3 stages of cannabis use:
Fresh tolerance, when you haven't smoked at all or in awhile and have little to no tolerance. At this stage it is easy to overdo it especially with extracts and super potent high thc strains. Overdoing it is likely to lead to anxiety IMO.
Regular tolerance, after you have smoked for awhile your body gets use to it. At this stage you have a solid tolerance but still light enough to not have to smoke a ton. This stage is easiest to not overdo things as you have found your sweatshirt most likely.
Huge tolerance, if you smoke daily like me you may find you have a large tolerance. This leads to smoking more and more often leading to more negative effects such as lethargy a sore throat and anxiety.
Personally I only tend to experience anxiety when something stresses me out. Sometimes I get random waves of it especially when smoking high thc buds and extracts.
There's also a 4th stage called dependency/psychological addiction
Which can even lead to depression which i've experienced, when it's so hard to quit without running into serious withdrawal symptoms you feel like you're afflicted by the herb, it can cause some serious depression sometimes, until you remind yourself that this is your life style. and at the end of the day, I would prefer to be smoking cannabis than not, every time.
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I'm always conscious of my paranoia when I'm high, I've never done anything in stupidity because of it. It actually makes me laugh how retarded my thoughts become, like I'll think some random is going to crawl through my bedroom window and stab me to death, but I find it humerus tbh.
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AuroraBorealis88
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Eclipse3130 said: There's also a 4th stage called dependency/psychological addiction
I don't think addiction entails a new stage I think it's just part of the last one stated. He was just talking about tolerance after all, I think addiction/dependence falls under the category of the 3rd one; huge tolerance.
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I am definitely in the 4th stage I have gotten better about controlling my intake though.
Some days I will try and not smoke at all, just vaping a bit throughout the day. Others I just take dabs.
I pretty much never smoke joints now and always use my bong or vape which helps me not smoke as much when I am not overdoing it 
Been trying to take a tolerance break but it is challenging, I associate everything with smoking from eating food to drinking beverages to music and tv/ video games.
It's tough, thankfully cannabis is relatively benign and it would be worse if I drank alcohol or smoked tobacco. Still I feel bad about "abusing" it.
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My experience is that at first weed is like a stimulant and makes your heart race and you laugh at anything, then when your body is adjusted it doesn't do shit and makes you anxious. There are millions of different plants and receptor cites for those plants. Weed making you anxious is a way of telling you that your having too much of it and need a switch. I was put on probation and couldn't smoke and was like fuck then I got a script for adder all and realized I prob would never of got this if I hadn't quit weed. If you can't get adder all try kratom or just take a tolerance break but too much of anything is good for nothing
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I wonder what smoking CBD weed would be like while withdrawing from THC.
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Whenever someone smokes weed or takes a psychedelic they have to confront years of authority figures, news media, parents, and even peers who have said that drugs destroy your brain, and if you do them you will probably get arrested, addicted, go insane, and die. 
Imagine you've just gotten really high for the first time and suddenly a lifetime of negative suggestions applies to you, and also you are technically a criminal (and possibly a sinner) in the opinion of whatever backwards corrupt jurisdiction you happen to reside in.
And your really high. It can be a lot to deal with. 
Suggestions like that can weigh heavily on the minds of anyone, high or not. 
I think that it is likely that if we just legalized weed, and told everyone that it was perfectly safe and all around good medicine, we could eliminate most of the negative side effects associated with getting high. 
Just another example of the irresponsible disregard of the placebo effect run amok.
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psychedelicliz said: Whenever someone smokes weed or takes a psychedelic they have to confront years of authority figures, news media, parents, and even peers who have said that drugs destroy your brain, and if you do them you will probably get arrested, addicted, go insane, and die. 
Imagine you've just gotten really high for the first time and suddenly a lifetime of negative suggestions applies to you, and also you are technically a criminal (and possibly a sinner) in the opinion of whatever backwards corrupt jurisdiction you happen to reside in.
And your really high. It can be a lot to deal with. 
Suggestions like that can weigh heavily on the minds of anyone, high or not. 
I think that it is likely that if we just legalized weed, and told everyone that it was perfectly safe and all around good medicine, we could eliminate most of the negative side effects associated with getting high. 
Just another example of the irresponsible disregard of the placebo effect run amok. 
I hear people say that but I don't necessarily think that's true. Because by this logic that would mean every single illegal drug would give anxiety or at least every hallucinogenic illicit drug but at the end of the day pot is the only one that's given me anxiety and paranoia as an effect. Plus I already know intrinsically that weed isn't bad so I don't think it's "taboo" nature adds to how I feel about the high. Hell where I live in Cali weed is pretty much a food group. Plus weed is already legal where I live but that hasn't made it any less anxiogenic for me. IMO it's just an inherent quality of the cannabis high. THC is a psychotomimetic after all.
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After the first couple times when I was in my sophomore year of high school their was only a few times I had "bad trips" from weed usually by cop scares, or parent scares lol
But then I went a few years of solid daily use where I never had any issues with it until earlier this year when I had really bad anxiety for some reason, I used to be the one who was saying weed could never cause that stuff and just couldn't see how it was possible, but when j smoked weed during that time the second I blew the smoke out I was freaking.
Full blown panic attack and I drove myself to the ER. Huge mistake all they did was belittle me and charge me 600 hundred dollars.
Weed anxiety is certainly a real thing, I still smoke but I find it less and less enjoyable as I get older.
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If you eat enough.. like a gram of shatter get ready to be destroyed.
Something about weed makes me look way more critically at things, mostly myself if I do a ton of it. The things I think about are true but other times they are complete fabrications and if you're not good at dismissing your own thoughts it can get really hard. As long as I don't eat/smoke a crazy amount I'm ok.
LSD and mush on the other hand usually make my mind very still and calm. Weed and do this too it just depends on the dose.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: Eggtimer]
#23961699 - 12/28/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting, ive had so many different styles of trips. I've had the calm and still experience where everything is layed out clearly and the message is conveyed with ease.
I've also had trips where my mind was racing a million miles a second and it was hard to grab a toehold of anything and really pull any sort of revelation from the trip besides " man I was seriously fucking high an hour ago" lol.
It really is different every time for me, set and setting is certainly most of it.
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