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Psilocybernator
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Cannabis paranoia
#23951336 - 12/23/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi Shroomerites!
We all know that THC can cause anxiety. Or "paranoia", as most people choose to describe it. This is common knowledge, even people who don't smoke weed know this.
What fascinates me is that, apparently, some people have "bad trips" on cannabis. I honestly think that people who have "bad trips" or "freakouts" from cannabis are either people who are unfamiliar with the effects of cannabis, or people with fragile minds that can't handle an altered state of consciousness. I apologise if that sounds insensitive, but that's my personal opinion.
I think set and setting also play a role. Being in an unsafe area or being around people who make you uncomfortable can definitely make things worse.
With that being said, my personal experience with cannabis paranoia has always been benign. By that I mean that the paranoia has never been so intense that it overwhelms me, and I've always been able to recognise it for what it is and roll with it. Maybe I just haven't gotten high enough lol. Mind you, I've had some pretty intense weed highs, so I know what cannabis-induced anxiety feels like. Based on my personal experience, and I know that doesn't mean much, I just can't understand how someone could understand how someone can have a "bad trip" on weed.
What do you guys think? Please share your experiences with cannabis and anxiety!
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No amount of experience is going to make you immune to a bad time. People with psycadelic experience tend to have more bad times with cannabis.
If you don't get nervous smoking weed from time to time. You surely get nervous when the stash runs low.
There is no drug enlightenment. Lot's of fear is caused by people. Cops, authority, shitty friends, secrets and guilt.
I think some of it is an addiction to cannabis. Using just a little bit increases the negative effects. Using enough cures the ailments experienced during the detox. It's like that with a lot of meds too. That they say are not addictive. A cycle of curing the addiction with abundant use or not using enough and just stirring up anxiety/depression.
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ChemicalSpark said: Weed highs can change overtime and become more anxiety inducing than relaxing.
Yupp. Happened to me very recently.
I've been smokin/vaping/dabbing multiple times daily for yeears. Recently I stopped smoking/eatting weed for a FULL WEEK (that's huge for me). I haven't taken a 7 day break like that for 5 years. More over I haven't even taken a 2 day break in like 2 years.
Anyway. After a week of being sober i hit a dab of .3 grams of shatter w/ a mango (I'm sure some of you know the intimate connection between mangos and terps). It was the fucking most paranoia and anxiety I've felt in a really long time.. felt like a bad shroom trip. I actually saw visuals from a dab.. It was the craziest experience. That was a few days ago.. and I haven't smoked since
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23951406 - 12/23/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can induce paranoia and freak out on cannabis at any given moment, if you think you can't you're either not smoking enough or anything near potency. Everyone who has ever smoked weed has felt the paranoia it can induce at least once. And if you haven't, you simply haven't tested your limits.
Like friend above me said don't smoke for 2-4 weeks. Then come back to a half gram dab, sativa dab and finish it and try to enjoy your time.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23951415 - 12/23/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I usually find using more of my attachments calls me down. A taste just stirs things up. Can take some time getting enough. Hate being rushed.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23951523 - 12/23/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the replies guys!
It seems like from your guys' experience that cannabis can indeed cause a bad trip. I stand corrected. It's obvious that my experiences have been different from yours.
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Psilocybernator said: ... I just can't understand how someone could understand how someone can have a "bad trip" on weed.

Weed highs can change overtime and become more anxiety inducing than relaxing. It happened to me.
I ended up stopping altogether for a few months and just got back into it. Now my highs are back to "normal".
I guess I got burned out and needed a break or something.
You see, my experience has been the opposite. My early experiences were more anxiety-ridden than my later experiences.
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ChemicalSpark said: Weed highs can change overtime and become more anxiety inducing than relaxing.
Yupp. Happened to me very recently.
I've been smokin/vaping/dabbing multiple times daily for yeears. Recently I stopped smoking/eatting weed for a FULL WEEK (that's huge for me). I haven't taken a 7 day break like that for 5 years. More over I haven't even taken a 2 day break in like 2 years.
Anyway. After a week of being sober i hit a dab of .3 grams of shatter w/ a mango (I'm sure some of you know the intimate connection between mangos and terps). It was the fucking most paranoia and anxiety I've felt in a really long time.. felt like a bad shroom trip. I actually saw visuals from a dab.. It was the craziest experience. That was a few days ago.. and I haven't smoked since 
Thank you for sharing that personal experience maxpassin! I can only imagine what .3 grams of wax would do to a person, especially someone with no tolerance!
Would you mind telling me more about this experience you had maxpassin? Was it more like a panic attack, or just negative feelings like terror. I'm very curious! You also saw visuals? What were these like? I would love to know more!
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Psilocybernator said: Thank you for sharing that personal experience maxpassin! I can only imagine what .3 grams of wax would do to a person, especially someone with no tolerance!
Would you mind telling me more about this experience you had maxpassin? Was it more like a panic attack, or just negative feelings like terror. I'm very curious! You also saw visuals? What were these like? I would love to know more!
Haha yeah, I totally underestimated the fat dab I took. Mostly because I'm used to it.. I normally hit anywhere from 5-20 dabs daily, so I was like what the heck. Haven't smoked in so long I wanna get blown! Ahhhh lol.
The experience was really out there. For the first 10 minutes after dabbing I felt like I normally do after a dab. I always dab when I'm working or trying to do something productive. Weed usually helps me concentrate and really get into my work.
But when I tried to function from this dab I just couldn't. I just sat there in my chair and closed my eyes, that's when the visuals came in. I was so tripped out that I was feeling like THAT from a DAB. Then I started to go into a totally negative mindset, almost like a bad trip.
I can't remember exactly what it was, but I was closely examining all the negative aspects of my life. Like how I'm not where I want to be in life, all the times I've majorly fucked up, all the people I've ever hurt or wronged.. just negative fucking shit that I hate thinking about. In an attempt to snap myself out of it I got up and proceeded to go to my backyard for some fresh air.
Dude.. right before I stepped out of the door (my dog totally just ran out happy af) I got so self-conscious I just left the door open and went back into the house. Far enough in where I could get some air but not be seen by anyone. I ended up staring at my plants outside. The green leaves on my blueberry bushes turned into black/purple blobs and I just felt so heavy looking at them. I really wanted to go all the way out but something kept me back..
The only time I felt like this was on one of my shroom trips. I ate 4g (I don't have the highest shroom tolerance). I was all happy and I wanted to go walk around my neighborhood and experience the outdoors. But again right before I walked out the door the thoughts came in.. would I look like some crazy tweaker walking around? would they laugh at me? I mean it ain't shit when I'm sober I can care less about what people think of me. But in that mind state its totally different and harder to overcome by willpower alone.
But back to the dab trip. I went back to my room and I felt hella uneasy. Like HELLA uneasy. The only solution I could come up with was meditation. So I meditated for a good hour. The first 30mins were more me fighting off negative thoughts with willpower. Though they'd always sneak back somehow. But the second half was more peaceful as I was coming down. I tuned into my body's frequency and subtly and slowly calmed myself down.
You asked about the visuals; they were comparable to a ~2g shroom trip to me. like geometric patterns and stuff.
Hope that was able to give you some insight! and thanks for giving me the opportunity to share my experience
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Never thought i would tell strangers stuff not even my partner isn't aware of, but this triggers me. In short:
I started indulging as an early teenager and was always able to "handle" and enjoy all sorts of weed and hash (amongst other stuff) for more than ten years to the fullest. That's when i suddenly had an experience that changed my life forever. It was with "normal" hash in a bong, as done 2387462 times before, and as everyone else had that day, "normal" quality and a "normal" amount, but the panic attack that i experienced aftwewards was immediately full on. It felt like my mind just said "after all those years today i gotta tell you that enough is enough, i can't take it anymore" from one moment to the other.
I've never had this intense feeling of anxiety and fear before. It's like you know that you die in the next second without dying. I've tried to smoke various strains and types of hash in the following days and weeks but the "rush" always felt like an acid trip gone bad (without optical hallucinations). So i had to quit my beloved weed. The negative mindset, including other "joyful" states like depression and depersonalisation lasted over the next days, weeks, months, years, slowly fading into a normal life after 3-5 years with the help of a great psychotherapist. All this is behind me, i feel okay for almost 10 years now but wouldn't try weed unless it's legal and i am able to mix it with enough cbd... that will hopefully not send me into a downward spiral. But i can wait another 10 years to find out, i'm not in a hurry.
Bottom line: When i read in the original post "people who have "bad trips" (...) are unfamiliar with the effects (...) can't handle an altered state of consciousness." i can't help but say: uuuUhm: Nopes. If it was only THAT easy. IMHO in reality there are so many factors taken into consideration, the human mind is far more complex, if i'm not mistaken then even in the year 2016 scientists are still not 100% sure why and how weed can cause mental breakdowns.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23951976 - 12/23/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybernator said: Thank you for sharing that personal experience maxpassin! I can only imagine what .3 grams of wax would do to a person, especially someone with no tolerance!
Would you mind telling me more about this experience you had maxpassin? Was it more like a panic attack, or just negative feelings like terror. I'm very curious! You also saw visuals? What were these like? I would love to know more!
Haha yeah, I totally underestimated the fat dab I took. Mostly because I'm used to it.. I normally hit anywhere from 5-20 dabs daily, so I was like what the heck. Haven't smoked in so long I wanna get blown! Ahhhh lol.
The experience was really out there. For the first 10 minutes after dabbing I felt like I normally do after a dab. I always dab when I'm working or trying to do something productive. Weed usually helps me concentrate and really get into my work.
But when I tried to function from this dab I just couldn't. I just sat there in my chair and closed my eyes, that's when the visuals came in. I was so tripped out that I was feeling like THAT from a DAB. Then I started to go into a totally negative mindset, almost like a bad trip.
I can't remember exactly what it was, but I was closely examining all the negative aspects of my life. Like how I'm not where I want to be in life, all the times I've majorly fucked up, all the people I've ever hurt or wronged.. just negative fucking shit that I hate thinking about. In an attempt to snap myself out of it I got up and proceeded to go to my backyard for some fresh air.
Dude.. right before I stepped out of the door (my dog totally just ran out happy af) I got so self-conscious I just left the door open and went back into the house. Far enough in where I could get some air but not be seen by anyone. I ended up staring at my plants outside. The green leaves on my blueberry bushes turned into black/purple blobs and I just felt so heavy looking at them. I really wanted to go all the way out but something kept me back..
The only time I felt like this was on one of my shroom trips. I ate 4g (I don't have the highest shroom tolerance). I was all happy and I wanted to go walk around my neighborhood and experience the outdoors. But again right before I walked out the door the thoughts came in.. would I look like some crazy tweaker walking around? would they laugh at me? I mean it ain't shit when I'm sober I can care less about what people think of me. But in that mind state its totally different and harder to overcome by willpower alone.
But back to the dab trip. I went back to my room and I felt hella uneasy. Like HELLA uneasy. The only solution I could come up with was meditation. So I meditated for a good hour. The first 30mins were more me fighting off negative thoughts with willpower. Though they'd always sneak back somehow. But the second half was more peaceful as I was coming down. I tuned into my body's frequency and subtly and slowly calmed myself down.
You asked about the visuals; they were comparable to a ~2g shroom trip to me. like geometric patterns and stuff.
Hope that was able to give you some insight! and thanks for giving me the opportunity to share my experience 
That sounds intense man. I'm glad to hear you pulled yourself out of it at the end though. Meditation ftw. You said that in this experience, you examined negative aspects of your life. Do you feel like this helped you in any way?
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I usually get no anxiety on weed, but I've had a couple of rougher times on edibles. More manageable than real psychedelics for sure, but still it can get very uncomfortable even just in a physical sense and I don't see why that should be surprising, as the same happens with every drug I've ever tried beyond a certain dosage
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ozzinated said: IMHO in reality there are so many factors taken into consideradtion, the human mind is far more complex, if i'm not mistaken then even in the year 2016 scientists are still not 100% sure why and how weed can cause mental breakdowns.
Shit, in 2016 neuro-scientists only know the hard facts of about 10% of the human brain. We're a long ways from establishing the full effect of pretty much anything on the brain.
It's funny, I probably wouldn't have understood your trip so well if I had read it a month ago.
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Psilocybernator said: That sounds intense man. I'm glad to hear you pulled yourself out of it at the end though. Meditation ftw. You said that in this experience, you examined negative aspects of your life. Do you feel like this helped you in any way?
Intense is the only way I can describe it too.
And no lol. It didn't help me at all. It's like resurfacing things that you've already comes to terms/peace with. Just dwelling in bs that you thought you were done with
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23952030 - 12/23/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had a similar panic attack on weed, but I've never smoked before. Ingested 30mg of THC and the high lasted solid 9+ hours. At the last hour I got the panic attack, was immobilised by fear in a corner with geometric patterns all over the walls, ceiling and floor. I was in fetal position just crying, felt like dying over and over and over. I guess that was too much for a weed noob. I was sure the world would end any second.
I ended up calling my mom, who has smoked weed her entire life and she came over and comforted me.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: Tiamo]
#23952035 - 12/23/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus, I thought I did a lot of pot!
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23952038 - 12/23/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ozzinated said: IMHO in reality there are so many factors taken into consideradtion, the human mind is far more complex, if i'm not mistaken then even in the year 2016 scientists are still not 100% sure why and how weed can cause mental breakdowns.
Shit, in 2016 neuro-scientists only know the hard facts of about 10% of the human brain. We're a long ways from establishing the full effect of pretty much anything on the brain.
It's funny, I probably wouldn't have understood your trip so well if I had read it a month ago.
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Psilocybernator said: That sounds intense man. I'm glad to hear you pulled yourself out of it at the end though. Meditation ftw. You said that in this experience, you examined negative aspects of your life. Do you feel like this helped you in any way?
Intense is the only way I can describe it too.
And no lol. It didn't help me at all. It's like resurfacing things that you've already comes to terms/peace with. Just dwelling in bs that you thought you were done with 
Yeah the human brain is beyond complicated. Maxpassin ,it sucks that you feel like you didn't learn anything from your experience. I would've thought you got some insights on your life at least.
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Tiamo said: I had a similar panic attack on weed, but I've never smoked before. Ingested 30mg of THC and the high lasted solid 9 hours. At the last hour I got the panic attack, was immobilised by fear in a corner with geometric patterns all over the walls, ceiling and floor. I was in fetal position just crying, felt like dying over and over and over. I guess that was too much for a weed noob. I was sure the world would end any second.
Damn bro that's intense af too. I truly never imagined 30mg could do that to you. I'm used to taking 500mg+ just to even feel anything.. But considerable when you're not an avid stoner. You ever smoke/eat weed since?
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Psilocybernator said: Maxpassin ,it sucks that you feel like you didn't learn anything from your experience. I would've thought you got some insights on your life at least.
In that particular trip, the only thing I probably learned was how to control/guide my mind away from bad thoughts. I'd chalk that up as a life lesson for damn sure.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: maxpassin]
#23952105 - 12/23/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, so I can't really say if I don't like weed or what. I haven't had the courage too. I remember the first 9 hours were glorious though, I was straight up tripping. The CEVs were incomparable to LSD/mushrooms, they were more hallucinations than geometry. Good stuff.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: Tiamo]
#23952193 - 12/23/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ezuma said: I usually get no anxiety on weed, but I've had a couple of rougher times on edibles. More manageable than real psychedelics for sure, but still it can get very uncomfortable even just in a physical sense and I don't see why that should be surprising, as the same happens with every drug I've ever tried beyond a certain dosage 
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Tiamo said: I had a similar panic attack on weed, but I've never smoked before. Ingested 30mg of THC and the high lasted solid 9+ hours. At the last hour I got the panic attack, was immobilised by fear in a corner with geometric patterns all over the walls, ceiling and floor. I was in fetal position just crying, felt like dying over and over and over. I guess that was too much for a weed noob. I was sure the world would end any second.
I ended up calling my mom, who has smoked weed her entire life and she came over and comforted me.
Edibles are fucking gnarly lol. I remember this one time, I ate two fat space muffins. Safe to say, I was pretty toasted. At the peak it literally felt like my face was melting. I actually wasn't too freaked out by this. I knew that what was happening was a result of a substantial amount of THC hitting my cannabinoid receptors so I was able to take it in stride.
Tiamo, it sounds like you had a particularly rough time. How did that phone call go?
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In that particular trip, the only thing I probably learned was how to control/guide my mind away from bad thoughts. I'd chalk that up as a life lesson for damn sure.
That is a good lesson to learn maxpassin! You are in control! Never forget that.
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Re: Cannabis paranoia [Re: ozzinated]
#23952287 - 12/23/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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In my experience there are 3 stages of cannabis use:
Fresh tolerance, when you haven't smoked at all or in awhile and have little to no tolerance. At this stage it is easy to overdo it especially with extracts and super potent high thc strains. Overdoing it is likely to lead to anxiety IMO.
Regular tolerance, after you have smoked for awhile your body gets use to it. At this stage you have a solid tolerance but still light enough to not have to smoke a ton. This stage is easiest to not overdo things as you have found your sweatshirt most likely.
Huge tolerance, if you smoke daily like me you may find you have a large tolerance. This leads to smoking more and more often leading to more negative effects such as lethargy a sore throat and anxiety.
Personally I only tend to experience anxiety when something stresses me out. Sometimes I get random waves of it especially when smoking high thc buds and extracts.
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