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Stalled jar
    #23950900 - 12/23/16 06:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have jar that is slow growing, after shaking. I think its bacterial somewhere, but i want to cut healthy myc from uncolonized grains and case it.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23950905 - 12/23/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23950915 - 12/23/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

its not moldy, so can i give a try?

just dunno what is it


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23951048 - 12/23/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Give it a try


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: Mad Season]
    #23951819 - 12/23/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ok mad. Thank you for answer. Ill let you know how it turns out


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23973749 - 01/01/17 06:04 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Ok o cased it. Some of grains were not colonized, you can see bacteria. But myc is colonizing and myc looking and smell good except uncolonized parts with bacteria. Birth or throw? I would give a chance


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23975057 - 01/02/17 05:32 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Anyone?


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23975171 - 01/02/17 06:44 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

And one more question guys

And this is first flush, i want to know, should i harvest all the shrooms at once, or let smaller ones grow for a couple days?


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23975779 - 01/02/17 11:16 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

The substrate is too dry. It is bruising because of dryness.
You should mist your substrate lightly when it starts to look dry.
Is this a SGFC? If you want to fruit trays you better use a monotub and place the trays inside the monotub. A SGFC is designed for cakes.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: enlightenment]
    #23975835 - 01/02/17 11:33 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Its greenhouse made from what i found. Ceramsite on bottom, holes around, i do spray the sides of it, and i do spray sterile water on cakes and everywhere few times a day. I dont have perlite so i cant make properly sgfc. Its casing. Harvest them now?

What about bacterial case, should i birth it. It seems to be fine and will produce some fruits


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23976123 - 01/02/17 01:08 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I just wonder can i birth it


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23976201 - 01/02/17 01:33 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

If the jar got colonized completely you can try to fruit it but keep an eye on it. If it gets suspicious and fast white growth toss it.

Tape some of the holes of your greenhouse. If it's not a SGFC you don't want that much holes. Mist and harvest when the caps start to open. You can harvest the biggest fruit (that already opened the cap) now.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: enlightenment]
    #23976255 - 01/02/17 01:50 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Thank you! what about drying? i used my oven to dry flushes, it worked fine. I just turn on low heat, let it heat for a few mins, then turn off the fire, and let shrooms sit in warm oven (like 60C, not 100 because i can easily put my hand in oven) I dont think it lose too much potency


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23976377 - 01/02/17 02:38 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

You can dry them in the oven. A dehydrator is much more comfortable to work with but an oven works, too. You can set the oven to 80°C and crack the lid to allow air exchange. They are ready when they break if you try them to bend.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: enlightenment]
    #23980604 - 01/04/17 05:25 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

i have problem. When i harvested shrooms, my cake broke. You know, i just tried to get it out from that container, and piece of cake fell apart. Well i worry about contamination. Today i see white fluff on the place where its break, myc start to regrow. I found small penicilin or trich (probably, not sure!) spot, and immideately removed it.
It smells fine, but i worry about contams. Also its very hard to get the stumps, they are dark dark blue. I cant remove all of them. Is that bad? i'll upload pic tonight


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23981771 - 01/04/17 03:50 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Your substrate looked wet to me not dry. Thats why it fell apart. If you dunked it after you harvested you duely fucked yourself. Its fruiting around the outside because thats where its drying out the most and the fastest. Imagine if you cut a chunk out the middle of that substrate... It would have fruited pimp in that spot where the chunk was removed. Try increasing your surface area a tad and dont mist to the point where the sides drip down to the bottom. Great looking tub and fruit however!


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: pblcenmy1]
    #23981857 - 01/04/17 04:27 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I'm sorry I must disagree. I see no pooling water, not really even much glistening. It's hella bruised tho, and that is from excessive drying.

This chamber looks very unideal to me. Hole pattern is all over the place and the holes are massive AF. Also these are trays, so the runoff from walls thing doesn't work the same. The way to gauge always is to see if the surface is glistening.

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Being too dry can have shit fall apart too. Actually it falls apart more when dry IME lol


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: Mad Season]
    #23981887 - 01/04/17 04:38 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

It pulls away from the edges because the substrate tightens as it dries. Loosens as it moistens? Maybe im a simpler mind... Maybe it was never fully colonized. Ill likely blame all problems on over moist. Looks a little moldy ontop


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: pblcenmy1]
    #23983187 - 01/05/17 06:40 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Well i just threw it away from my window, lol. I cut the bad part, and then it starts to stink. Well i have few more jars ready to go, so ok. Well i harvested only around 3.6 grams. I dried them in oven, and on battery, some in oven, some on battery, or both ways) Well powdered , and took them. I felt it in 30-40 mins, but it was very mild, little to now visuals, HD vision yeah, some visual changes, changes in perception, in thoughts, but everything mild. I remember taking around that, and it was stronger. Dunno. Maybe too low dose? I took 7g mouth ago(4 and then 3 in hour or something like that, plus weed) and had fun. This time it was mild. No tolerance, emply stomach, etc. I'm smoking weed daily, but was sober before trip. I remember took maybe even less but fresh shrooms, on nature, hot summer day.
Maybe they was not fresh, but daily or so harvested. With some weed and chocolate it was very intense, not like this time. It was very visual, both oev's and cov. Very strong geometry, strong body load, and i had a lot of insights back there. Same strain i guess.


I understand conditions, etc etc, temp, genetics. but i think maybe i could burn out some activity? my oven wasnt too hot, and battery around 60C, and shrooms were on paper. It wasnt too hot, since it starts to break down around 170 as i read. But they were bruising nicely, dunno, if thats a signature of potency loss. Oxidation but it always happens, that's cruel reality of process.

Or maybe i just need to take more, and 3.6 is not enough for full blown psychedelic trip. And now i think, should i eat fresh shrooms from next flush, or dry them and take dried later. I want to mind blown trip, so fresh i think is better opinion. I'm thinking about 50 fresh or 5 dried. any thoughts about this? i took them 7 hours ago, and smoked some weed now, so sorry if i wrote bullshit. but it mostly weed high atm


dont think i'm that newbie, i'm growing 2 years now, and had a lot of trips. just my thoughts now, i expected more intense.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23983383 - 01/05/17 09:04 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Next time eat those things wet. Wont be a potency issue... Only taste and texture. Psylocibe breaks down faster than thc and oxidizes quickly when introduced to a catalyst like heat. I wouldnt recommend a heat dry of any kind.

if your going to fruit a half bad jar keep your substrate as dry and cool as possible otherwise your fueling all that bacteria. Since when do mushrooms like to go swimming? And your tubs not that bad man just to me it all looked too wet.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: pblcenmy1]
    #23984888 - 01/05/17 07:10 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

I would recommend a dehydrator turned up to max heat, very little potency loss with good genetics. I'm sure OPs read that anyways. Yes they don't melt until 170+°C. Besides heat actually denatures enzymes present in fruit bodies that oxidize the actives even quicker.

If they're just sitting there in a hot oven I could see them bruising, it's the hot moving air that dries them up before bruising.

If it's MS it's literally always a crapshoot on the level of potency.

Oh and it's not impossible to turn a different fruiting chamber to ideal, but yours appears to dry the substares out too much. You should be thinking about at least using a casing. I always case trays :shrug: they don't hold water as well as tubs.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: Mad Season]
    #23989603 - 01/07/17 01:42 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I'm using casing. Well i wanted to harvest them wet at once, but some are bigger, some are smaller..no way....i dont have any ways to dry except using a hot battery (60c), or oven. Dunno really. I dont have dehydrator (


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23989691 - 01/07/17 02:28 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

It possible to dry them in the oven. Place them on a griddle and set the oven to 80°C. Open the door a bit to let the humid air escape. You cold place a wood stick or something between the oven door (1cm).
They are dry when they break if you try to bend them.
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Re: Stalled jar [Re: enlightenment]
    #23991152 - 01/07/17 10:12 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

IMO a dehydrator on Kijiji is well worth the $20. I had 5 ounces of shrooms go moldy once because I thought they were dry enough when I bagged them.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23997223 - 01/10/17 02:59 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Guys, its 5 days since last trip now, Tommorow its going to be 6 days, almost 7 days (6 days and 12 hrs ) from my last trip. I plan to take on at least 50 gr fresh cubes. Because they are fresh and ready now, i dont want to dry them, but i worry about tolerance.


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    #23997224 - 01/10/17 03:00 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

before that i took 3.6 gr dried as i said. It was very mild trip, so i think there is little to no tolerance after 6-7 days


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23998585 - 01/10/17 03:59 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

So what about tolerance? 6 days and 12 hrs after last trip, planning on 50-55 fresh cubes. the rest i will dry.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: LosAndreas36]
    #23999125 - 01/10/17 07:02 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

why are we talking about tripping and tolerances? I thought this had to do with a stalled jar...post in trip reports if you wanna talk about that stuff.


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Re: Stalled jar [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #24000919 - 01/11/17 11:41 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Dunno really ) jar is cased now, and its start on fruiting. but yeah, its bacterial, but i can still get some fruits out of it


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