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    #23950783 - 12/23/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I hear sometimes with the advent of super computers like quantum processors, that AI will take off and we will be enveloped by technology.  To me it seems like the part that is missing is the programmers who can write code to sort everything out, processing power means nothing without the code.  That would take a type of super-genius that doesn't exist in humans IMO. 

I'm not saying that we couldn't destroy ourselves, that is inevitable, but I don't think our robots will be able to live on their own.

Do you agree or disagree?


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23950794 - 12/23/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The moment that AI will produce their own abillity in constructing algorithms and practically building their own new hardware by choice and not by third-party, I think that's the beginning of the end.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: psilosalvia] * 1
    #23950800 - 12/23/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

but to program that would take a stroke of genius is what I'm saying.  I mean contemporary computers already have that capability, but we couldn't make them so smart if we wanted to.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23950802 - 12/23/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I guess it will take like a modern Nikola Tesla to actually build that technology.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23950820 - 12/23/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The moment that AI will produce their own abillity in constructing algorithms and practically building their own new hardware by choice and not by third-party, I think that's the beginning of the end.




That sounds scary. But i cant imagine a computer making its own code. Thats nutz. How would it even know what to write?


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23950826 - 12/23/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The androidal apocalypse could happen, but humans would have to program it, I dont see AI spontaneously deciding to rebel.

So its basically inevitable


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23950829 - 12/23/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not a programmer, but the ones I know don't seem that smart to me.  I don't see it happening in my lifetime.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: moonrockmushy] * 2
    #23950830 - 12/23/16 04:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We can still hope


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23950835 - 12/23/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

do u wish to live in The Matrix?


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23950852 - 12/23/16 04:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Deepmind can learn things. Learning anything is essentially capitalizing on trial and error. Computers run through the process of elimination very quickly. Once we (or they) surpass a critical mass it's easy to imagine things getting out of hand. I say we implement Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #23950916 - 12/23/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I disagree..I'll post later as to why but the singularity and quantum computing will be a reality in this century. I should clarify, the odds of it happening in this century are pretty high.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #23951187 - 12/23/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I disagree..I'll post later as to why but the singularity and quantum computing will be a reality in this century. I should clarify, the odds of it happening in this century are pretty high.




how tho?  I just don't get it, and keep in mind I have the intellect of a small child.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23951264 - 12/23/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well for one I think it's hard to see how drastically our technology is improving and will continue to improve in all sectors.  We don't have the means to create something like that now, but we're on the way with things like DeepMind and self-teaching computers.  It isn't that big of a stretch to me to think of a time when we're able to program something that thinks so much for itself that it almost seems like real reasoning.  From there, who knows how actual self awareness develops, but a computer writing its own code would be basically the same thing as us just learning how to do things; so natural that it just happens.

Times are changing quickly and we already have computers that run simulations (like weather patterns, big bang simulations etc..) where there are so many calculations completed that we can't even hope to know exactly how it got to the answer it got to.  If AI develops into consciousness, it won't be required of us to know how it programs itself.  In fact I think it will be so far beyond us so quickly that we will never know or be able to keep up.

In response to Asimov's laws - I can't see how that would actually work in reality.  We have the ability to go against our programming, why would it be any different for them?


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: Midnight_Toker] * 2
    #23951268 - 12/23/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Siri is a dumb ass.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23951271 - 12/23/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

when AI reach mass intelligence they will destroy us for ourselves.

the logic we've provided them will eventually come to that decision, somehow.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23951493 - 12/23/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
I hear sometimes with the advent of super computers like quantum processors, that AI will take off and we will be enveloped by technology.  To me it seems like the part that is missing is the programmers who can write code to sort everything out, processing power means nothing without the code.  That would take a type of super-genius that doesn't exist in humans IMO. 

I'm not saying that we couldn't destroy ourselves, that is inevitable, but I don't think our robots will be able to live on their own.

Do you agree or disagree?






while not a fan of The Matrix series, The Animatrix is well-worth a watch.  Gives a somewhat plausible view of where things are going and how they could result


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: SARAtonin] * 3
    #23951522 - 12/23/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Siri is a dumb ass.



Yeah but shes only 4-5 years old
I sure as shit couldnt tell you all about the great white shark when i was 5


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23951623 - 12/23/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I hear sometimes with the advent of super computers like quantum processors, that AI will take off and we will be enveloped by technology.  To me it seems like the part that is missing is the programmers who can write code to sort everything out, processing power means nothing without the code.  That would take a type of super-genius that doesn't exist in humans IMO. 

I'm not saying that we couldn't destroy ourselves, that is inevitable, but I don't think our robots will be able to live on their own.

Do you agree or disagree?





ai by google has been creating its own shit lately, like its own language. it's only a matter of time before we have fully functional androids roaming around, maybe in 30 years at the least. they already have functioning man-made skeletal "muscles". those robots will be able to type on computers, lift and move things and be self aware and all sorts of other human abilities. when that time comes, the robots will be doing all the work for us including coding themselves and we will be obsolete, and free to do what we want...


or, the robots will end up killing us all :bender: KILL ALL THE HUMANS!


i think it's also safe to say we will probably be sending androids into space to gather information and all sorts of neat stuff, to go where humans can't or wont.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: 404]
    #23951629 - 12/23/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So, on another note, the Black Mirror episodes and the ai androids in West World come to mind, as well as Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex... if anyone is interested in technology and futuristic scifi, i highly recommend those shows.


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Re: AI event horizon [Re: 404] * 1
    #23951633 - 12/23/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

AI is
- more powerful then society realizes
- moving at a faster rate than predicted
- in control of almost every major industry
- moving into our homes and driving on our roads

AI is not
- conscious



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