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AlCapone2k
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Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions
#23949582 - 12/22/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys,
I fruit oysters in open air in straw pellet bales.
I have posted "my tek" here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23883660

This is for example on of my first flushes.
How do you harvest?
1. Do you harvest all the fruits at the same time (small and big ones) or 2. Do you harvest every fruit alone when it's big enough and wait for the other fruits to get bigger to harvest them ten?
And how do you initate second or third flush? Unfortunately I wasn't able to get a second flush yet.
Do you just harvest all the fruits and spray the whole bale with water from the sprayer bottle and then go on as usual? Or do you put the whole bale in a cold water bath for some hours?
Questions about aborts
With every Bale I get small colonies (really small) that start small pins but don't grow anymore. They turn brown and don't grow. How does it come? Are they becoming aborts because I sprayed them with water too much? Or is it just genetics?
And what are you doing with the aborts? Scrape them off the substrate when harvesting the rest of the oysters or do you just let them on the substrate for the myc to eat them?
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23949854 - 12/22/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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1,2. I really don't think it matters. I've done both, harvested all at the same time, or just the big ones and let the others grow. They don't seem to grow much but maybe a little, so maybe that method is better.
As far as initiating a 2nd flush, here's what you do - - wait.
Yeah, you can dunk the blocks overnight in water to give them more moisture, pamper them for weeks, and they may or may not do shit. I find it more practical to just bury them behind my house and the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th flushes just pop out of the ground at random times. Much easier.
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: Forrester]
#23952021 - 12/23/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you for your answer.
How long does it normally take from harvesting until the second flush comes?
Last time I waited more than a week and nothing changed, so I tossed the hole bale (I don't have a garden to burry it).
And what do you do with the aborts?
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23952347 - 12/23/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: Thank you for your answer.
How long does it normally take from harvesting until the second flush comes?
Last time I waited more than a week and nothing changed, so I tossed the hole bale (I don't have a garden to burry it).
And what do you do with the aborts?
Regards.
How long does it normally take from harvesting until the second flush comes? - Depends but usually about a week. Sometimes less sometimes more. They will flush again when they are ready. Just be patient.
And what do you do with the aborts? - I cut them off after the whole block has been harvested.
Edited by katbusa (12/23/16 05:40 PM)
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: katbusa]
#23952391 - 12/23/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you
Do you just mist them as usual or do you give them a full soak before initating second flush?
Do you left the foil around the bale or do you remove it for second flush? I have the problem that the foil around the bale is totally destroyed after the first flush because of the oysters growing through the foil holes destroying it.
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23952847 - 12/23/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you want more mushrooms and more flushes you need to make a larger bag. After the first flush a larger substrate will give more energy and moisture for the next flush .
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: Quadman]
#23953194 - 12/24/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If your pins are turning brown and failing to mature, then my first suspicion would be that you either dont have enough moisture available, or that your climate is too arid for open air fruiting. Check your humidity first.
Sounds like you are doing inoculated straw bales, (which Ive seen done successfully), but the climate has to be right. Most places you will need a way to retain substrate moisture. Try using a bucket or poly tubing on the next go around.
Pictures always help too!
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#23953462 - 12/24/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quadman said: If you want more mushrooms and more flushes you need to make a larger bag. After the first flush a larger substrate will give more energy and moisture for the next flush .
thank you for this tipp! Would you prefer the same diameter but higher bales or shall I go for much higher bales with a smaller diameter?
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wildernessjunkie said: If your pins are turning brown and failing to mature, then my first suspicion would be that you either dont have enough moisture available, or that your climate is too arid for open air fruiting. Check your humidity first.
Sounds like you are doing inoculated straw bales, (which Ive seen done successfully), but the climate has to be right. Most places you will need a way to retain substrate moisture. Try using a bucket or poly tubing on the next go around.
Pictures always help too!
Thank you very much. Yeah, I also think that it's to arid here. I have a SGFC, maybe I will fruit the bales next time in it, at least until the fruits are quite big.
I use straw pellets in tubular films inoculated with rye spawn.



I use a tek I've described here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23883660
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23955030 - 12/24/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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try hitting up your local thrift store for a used humidifier and run it in that room, or buy a new cool mist for $20-30. As long as your only doing 2 or 3 bags at a time and picking earlier you should be fine with spores, I wouldn't sleep in that room, maybe use a bathroom or kitchen. You wouldn't want to grow in a shotgun, not enough FAE.
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: Gr0wer]
#23955296 - 12/24/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Al said" thank you for this tipp! Would you prefer the same diameter but higher bales or shall I go for much higher bales with a smaller diameter? "
The preference is up to you . What ever size you can handle or fit in an area or shelves. Some use 10-12 " diameter too big diameter can heat up inside. I use about 7" diameter 3 foot long sawdust based.
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: Quadman]
#23955755 - 12/25/16 05:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gr0wer said: try hitting up your local thrift store for a used humidifier and run it in that room, or buy a new cool mist for $20-30.
The mister shall then be pointed on the bags right?
Actually I have them in my kitchen, near the window, because there's a lot of FAE but also it's quite dry in winter. But I can't raise the humidity because then it's quite uncomfortable to be in the kitchen
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Gr0wer said: As long as your only doing 2 or 3 bags at a time and picking earlier you should be fine with spores
What do you mean with "be fine with spores"?
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Quadman said: Al said" thank you for this tipp! Would you prefer the same diameter but higher bales or shall I go for much higher bales with a smaller diameter? "
The preference is up to you . What ever size you can handle or fit in an area or shelves. Some use 10-12 " diameter too big diameter can heat up inside. I use about 7" diameter 3 foot long sawdust based.
Thank you very much
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23956644 - 12/25/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Spores are bad to brethe in.
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: Gr0wer]
#23956726 - 12/25/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah okay, thank you I didn't know that
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#23969611 - 12/30/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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wildernessjunkie said: If your pins are turning brown and failing to mature, then my first suspicion would be that you either dont have enough moisture available, or that your climate is too arid for open air fruiting. Check your humidity first.
Sounds like you are doing inoculated straw bales, (which Ive seen done successfully), but the climate has to be right. Most places you will need a way to retain substrate moisture. Try using a bucket or poly tubing on the next go around.
Pictures always help too!
Great advice. I will just add that a week before 2nd flush is pretty optimistic. Even left in the greenhouse in the same conditions, I've had them take much, much longer than that. Maybe it's just me, or my strains? (although I've worked with quite a few). That's why I always like to just bury 'em. Or use 5 gallon buckets with holes drilled in the sides to fruit out of. Helps hold all the moisture in, and I've never had to dunk them.
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: Forrester]
#23969897 - 12/31/16 03:57 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Do you tape the holes during colonization and then remove them when you want them to fruit?
And do they really just fruit where the holes are?
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23971727 - 12/31/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I grow open air, until this week. But I was growing in buckets. After the first flush I'll cover lightly with a trash bag then when I see pins again I'll uncover. Usually, for me, it has taken two weeks for the second flush to start.
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23976087 - 01/02/17 12:54 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: Do you tape the holes during colonization and then remove them when you want them to fruit?
And do they really just fruit where the holes are?
No I use a trash bag liner inside the bucket, and cut x's where all the holes are right at spawning. I don't change anything for fruiting, they just grow out the holes when they're ready. And yeah they totally do just fruit out the holes, as long as you have sealed the liner bag tight against the top and not left any airspace (sometimes I'll put a plate in there to hold the bag closed tight so they don't top fruit inside the bucket)
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: Forrester]
#23976330 - 01/02/17 02:15 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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I've seen some nice fruits from the top of the straw in a bucket. It was a complete accident though
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: Snagman17]
#23980148 - 01/03/17 10:14 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Snagman17 said: I've seen some nice fruits from the top of the straw in a bucket. It was a complete accident though
Yeah you can get great fruits doing oysters 100 different ways, there's certainly no "right" way, there's tons of them!
You just don't want accidental invitro fruits inside a closed bucket that you're trying to fruit out the holes, because they WON'T be good fruits with no air.
The only reason I prefer to force the fruits to grow out of holes is that the harvest is so much easier, just twist your clusters right off and you're done!
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Re: Initiating second flush with open-air oyster bales and some other questions [Re: Forrester]
#23980682 - 01/04/17 07:04 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I don't disagree with wanting side fruits, but if top fruiting does occur, with some attention you can get good fruits from them. This bucket top fruited on accident as we ran out of straw. This was from the second flush a little over two weeks from the first. they had quite a big stem but it stopped growing when it reached the top of the bucket and a few nice caps formed.
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