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bennylava
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More than just fuzzy feet...
#23949570 - 12/22/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its creeping halfway up the stems! As you can see from the pics, the fuzzy feet phenomenon has gone way too far, in my case. I've been reading through these forums, doing a little searching. Nobody actually seems to know what causes this. In every thread, they're always arguing whether its a GE problem, or whether it has something to do with the humidity being too high.
I'm just using a typical shotgun fruiting chamber. It has 60 quarter inch holes drilled in it. I am fanning 3 times per day, for 15 seconds. There is 5 inches of perlite in the tub. The substrate is horse manure from outgrow, spawned from grain jars.
Is this really a problem? Is there the potential that the fuzz could overtake the mushroom? And what should I do to make it stop?

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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: bennylava]
#23949590 - 12/22/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks fine, they just need a little more fae. That should make those caps open up too.
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Actually the more i look, it seems like there could be some nasty's in the middle there as well, cant tell to well with the lighting. But it doesn't really look like its affecting your fruits. Keep an eye on them, if they start drooping and looking crappy, toss them. That could also be the reason for the fuzzy feet, if you got proper fae.
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Yup, you need more FAE. It's caused by too much humidity and a lack of FAE, they're two sides of the same coin in this case. The more FAE you have the less humid it will be. You want ~100% humidity when pinning and near the surface, but for fruit formation you want to drop it down a bit. It might just be the strain, but I'm thinking your caps would be bigger with more FAE as well.
High CO2/lack of FAE causes the mushrooms to elongate and the caps to not grow out and if it's really bad the mushrooms will grow in all kinds of random directions instead of upwards, you'll also have a reduced yield over all. Do you have airflow in the room? A fan running to circulate the air? If not that is your first step. If that's still not enough, and you can't provide more, then consider drilling more holes. Don't point the fan directly at the tub.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23949809 - 12/22/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bottom middle looks splotchy.....wouldnt stop me though
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Thanks guys. Yes I have a fan in the room, I'll make sure its always on. I was wondering what was going on with the caps lol. They're only about the size of a quarter, and seem to have already dropped spores. I was expecting them to be much bigger, so I just didn't harvest them yet.
Would you guys go ahead and harvest those?
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: bennylava]
#23951055 - 12/23/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bennylava said: In every thread, they're always arguing whether its a GE problem, or whether it has something to do with the humidity being too high.
Ironically they're both right, and these people were arguing the same thing. Too high humidity is because there isn't enough air exchanges of dry air. So it means not enough FAE.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: Mad Season] 1
#23951100 - 12/23/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Op....did you space the holes 2in apart all sides top and bottom?
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spirit_shadow said: Op....did you space the holes 2in apart all sides top and bottom? 
Hmm... there are no holes in the very bottom. I'd say there are roughly 60 holes in it. All 1/4" in size. But I did not drill holes in the bottom of the tub. I was concerned about the perlite falling out a bit, as well as water draining out of the holes. Granted I don't have standing water sitting in the bottom, but it still didn't seem like a good idea.
From the pics, should I harvest those? The caps are very small, but it does look like I can see the gills.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: bennylava]
#23951463 - 12/23/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yup, harvest them, and you should have holes in the bottom, that alone may solve your issue.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23951536 - 12/23/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you are all wrong and that is mold not fuzzy feet...i would stop misting.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: cronicr]
#23951747 - 12/23/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is definitely fuzzy feet, looks exactly like it, plus the other signs of a lack of FAE/high humidity all point to it. That is a classic example of fuzzy feet.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23951751 - 12/23/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sadly it isn't...those fruits are infected.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: cronicr]
#23951763 - 12/23/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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okay
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23951764 - 12/23/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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look at the botching on the stipe, and also ask yourself how you get that bad of fae problems i a chamber riddled in holes...that is not fuzzy feet and a high rh that is mold you are seeing.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: cronicr]
#23951782 - 12/23/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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pseudomonas bacteria or possibly vert
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: cronicr]
#23951786 - 12/23/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you have a confirmed reference picture to show this on something else so I can see what you're talking about?
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23951788 - 12/23/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: cronicr]
#23951857 - 12/23/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe those little blotches are some bacteria, but I can't find anything to show the fuzzy feet are, in the thread you linked or otherwise. I'm open to the possibility, but I just can't find evidence to support it.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23951860 - 12/23/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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in bad cases of low fae it wi form more of a bub at the base
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: cronicr]
#23951879 - 12/23/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you have an example of that? I googled both of those bacterias and could not find any fuzzy feet. Not trying to be a pita, I'd just like to see and learn.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23952429 - 12/23/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmm... what should I do about this? Would it harm someone if they ate it?
The guys over at mycotopia seem to think its just from lack of FAE. They said harvest those fruits, and the next flush shouldn't have it once I get more FAE.
Would dunking it in tap water kill the mold?
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: bennylava]
#23952514 - 12/23/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should be fine to eat them still. I've never heard of anyone getting sick from eating these before and I have not either, even if it is a bacteria infectious to humans it will die after you dry them out. You'd still have to worry about any toxins they produced, but I don't think they do in this case, and again no one has ever said they've gotten sick from eating them. I would not eat those ones in cronicr's link, but if you have a splotch here and there I've never been concerned, it's a common contaminant and has been eaten a lot as a result. I am not a dr though so don't take my word on it, you do so at your own risk, but that is my experience fwiw.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: bennylava]
#23952546 - 12/23/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I was going to make them into a tea, so could that potentially be of help in this situation?
I want to do tea, as the general consensus seems to be that if you make them into a tea, you can typically avoid the nausea. Feeling sick and tripping does not seem like a good time at all. This will be my first trip so I'm wanting it to be a good one.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23952569 - 12/23/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is no harm in either, make tea n have fun.Quote:
krypto2000 said: Do you have an example of that? I googled both of those bacterias and could not find any fuzzy feet. Not trying to be a pita, I'd just like to see and learn.
Ill look around.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: bennylava]
#23952614 - 12/23/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should be fine to eat them still. I've never heard of anyone getting sick from eating these before, even if it's a bacteria contagious to humans it will Quote:
bennylava said: Well I was going to make them into a tea, so could that potentially be of help in this situation?
I want to do tea, as the general consensus seems to be that if you make them into a tea, you can typically avoid the nausea. Feeling sick and tripping does not seem like a good time at all. This will be my first trip so I'm wanting it to be a good one.
Well boiling would kill them, but so should dehydration. Even if the toxic chemicals produced are insoluble in water though, assuming there are any in the first place, they would still be extracted most likely through mechanical means (eg, the agitation of the water). I can't help you anymore on the actual safety aspects though, I don't know enough and can only share my experience and limited knowledge.
As for tea that is the best way to go ime short of a total extraction which is a lot more involved. I always recommend putting some lemon juice in there to protect any psilocin from oxidizing and you can mask the taste pretty well with some normal black tea or w/e kind you prefer, just make it extra strong to account for the dilution once combined with the mushroom tea.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23952623 - 12/23/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Vert would have them splitting and wilting..n that bacteria will taste gross lol.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: cronicr]
#23952849 - 12/23/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I said it was splotchy but also op drill holes in the bottom 2 in apart in grid pattern 
Edit: also dehydrate till cracker dry and they will be fine to consume.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23953695 - 12/24/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: ...just make it extra strong to account for the dilution once combined with the mushroom tea.
Could you elaborate a bit more on what you mean by this? What exactly should be extra strong?
Side note: This whole thing has been over a year in the making for me. There are sooooo many different ways to actually grow, that its difficult and somewhat frustrating to find the best method. From reading a lot of different stuff, it seems that even the shotgun fruiting chamber is now becoming outdated.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: bennylava]
#23953718 - 12/24/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The regular tea. Say you make a cup of mushroom tea and a cup of black tea, once you combine them you'll have 2 cups of tea so you should make that cup of black tea twice as strong to account for this dilution. Otherwise it would taste like half strength regular black tea with a hint of mushroom flavor.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23954704 - 12/24/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There seems to be green mold growing on my substrate now. What do I do about this? Should I just continue harvesting mushrooms for as long as I can?
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: bennylava]
#23954721 - 12/24/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would move ot from any work or grow area and finish your harvest n toss
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: cronicr]
#23956029 - 12/25/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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As long as the mold is not growing on your mushrooms they're safe to eat but is going consume your sub fast.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: krypto2000]
#23956064 - 12/25/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kinda doubt his green mold is inedible. Aflatoxins and other mycotoxins are harmful via respiration, which if you have a weakened immune system, just having the mold in your presence is a danger. Ingesting is safe.
Trich is edible. If it wasn't we'd all be dying when we eat a root vegetable because trich forms a symbiotic relationship with root vegetables.
Penicillium is used in the production of blue cheese, penicillin, etc.
Aspergillus Niger is used in corn syrup. Although it's black, it's still an aspergillus with mycotoxins
Realistically the dude needs to get it out of his area asap if he doesn't want to spread spores all over his house. To me that's more important than sad pseudomonas bacteria fruits
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: Mad Season]
#23956108 - 12/25/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. Move everything out of grow area.
2. Pick all fruits.
3. Dry and consume.
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Re: More than just fuzzy feet... [Re: bennylava]
#23956389 - 12/25/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: Op....did you space the holes 2in apart all sides top and bottom? 
Hmm... there are no holes in the very bottom. I'd say there are roughly 60 holes in it. All 1/4" in size. But I did not drill holes in the bottom of the tub. I was concerned about the perlite falling out a bit, as well as water draining out of the holes. Granted I don't have standing water sitting in the bottom, but it still didn't seem like a good idea.
From the pics, should I harvest those? The caps are very small, but it does look like I can see the gills.
you need to address this issue, get your bottom holes drilled
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