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Christ or Law.
    #23949508 - 12/22/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Which do you follow?

:datass:
Well?
You may choose only one


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23949518 - 12/22/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #23949522 - 12/22/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I follow Satan.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23949526 - 12/22/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There is an unsympathetic difference?


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23949538 - 12/22/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well i certainly don't follow the law...


I can say that i at least attempt to be virtuous though.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23949541 - 12/22/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

neither
I follow the higher morality of ethics as defended by logical argumentation, which sometimes aligns with christ and sometimes with law


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead] * 2
    #23949578 - 12/22/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Society's got no hold on this outlaw



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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Starstepper]
    #23949700 - 12/22/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Neither. I for one welcome our new giant ant overlords. :mushroom2:


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Reprobate420]
    #23949756 - 12/22/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Shitcrisco
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Chrips wanna-be Mooks all assembled see
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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23949761 - 12/22/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I am a High Priest of the Church Of The Flying Spaghetti Monster



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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23949839 - 12/22/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

really poor options shiithead, usually they are presented as one and the same in society.

prefer to follow my own moral compass, it seems to be the right one mostly so far.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
    #23949849 - 12/22/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How is Crom not an option?



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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23949852 - 12/22/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm, to follow an ancient do-gooder to his violent death at the hands of his own followers, or a dysfunctional set of ad-hoc legal amendments issued by morons and enforced by a network of petty tyrants and busybodies? How about no.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #23949858 - 12/22/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I picked law cos thats the name of one of my guns :shrug:


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #23949866 - 12/22/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I follow laws more than Jesus but that's mainly because i'm not religious .

  However I do not  particularly love laws either.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23949893 - 12/22/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The real question is secular or temporal powers.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23949895 - 12/22/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The Bible teaches people to follow the law, so the options are essentially one in the same.

But don't tell the fanatics that.

Also, stal.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #23949929 - 12/22/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Or do our laws uphold the values of the Bible?


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23950023 - 12/22/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
I picked law cos thats the name of one of my guns :shrug:




I like the way you talk, miss and/or mister teapot


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23950053 - 12/22/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My next two will be peace and tranquility :smile:


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23950197 - 12/22/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck the law.
Double fuck christ


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: DustyBottoms] * 1
    #23950232 - 12/22/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Fuck the law.
Double fuck christ



I understand the law but specifically why fuck christ? The law fucks us over every day, when did christ ever personally offend you? I mean, cos I see fake ass fuck heads every day claiming to be holy and offending the fuck out of people. Just saying, if you are going to place blame place it on said individuals.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23950251 - 12/22/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Neither.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23950338 - 12/22/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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DustyBottoms said:
Fuck the law.
Double fuck christ



I understand the law but specifically why fuck christ? The law fucks us over every day, when did christ ever personally offend you? I mean, cos I see fake ass fuck heads every day claiming to be holy and offending the fuck out of people. Just saying, if you are going to place blame place it on said individuals.




Fair.  He's not real so maybe it would have been better to just say fuck the law but then that would maybe imply I was pro-christ or religion.  And fuck religion too.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Starstepper] * 1
    #23950348 - 12/22/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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How is Crom not an option?







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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #23950442 - 12/22/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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ONE OZ SLUG said:
The Bible teaches people to follow the law, so the options are essentially one in the same.

But don't tell the fanatics that.

Also, stal.




The Torah teaches Law. The Gospel teaches Love. You can't submit to both.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23950452 - 12/22/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

STAL


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23950463 - 12/22/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Shiithead said:
Which do you follow?

:datass:




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Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)

20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.




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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23951066 - 12/23/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A lot about Jesus was fabricated to project an image.  People usually get all Old Testament and forgot the somewhat truth about Jesus.  Jesus taught personal power should submit.  Rebel with personal freedom.  Be right with yourself. 

I actually find a lot in common with satanism and how most Old Testament types practice and live out their behavior.  Destroying enemies and a lord that gives favors.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23951316 - 12/23/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Whether a real person or a symbolic representation of certain ideals, Jesus was basically an outlaw.  He came out of nowhere, with no officially recognized authority and started directly challenging the prevailing ideas of his time.  He encouraged people to stop blindly following orders and develop their of inner sense of guidance.  It was sacrelige, yet when push came to shove he stood his ground and died rather than fall in line.

The guy, if he actually existed as a single person was one very rebellious and instigating dude.  Either that or he was a symbolic representation of people's frustrations with the Jewish church and power structures. Either way he represents pretty much the opposite of blindly following rules and social norms.

Of course it is important to separate to man and myth from the church that eventually attempted to exploit his ideas.  Everything got twisted right back towards religious dogma and heavy handed rules.  Though it did take centuries for that to occur.  Plus, even if his ideas were usurped by a power hungry church they still managed to spread his thoughts around the entire world.

If you ask me, some spirutual rebel tricked power hungry assholes into spreading his knowledge of direct personal connections to divinity around the world.  The dumb assess tried to control people by using ideas that basically said, "Fuck those assholes, think for yourself and develop your own connection to god.  Nobody owns you or stands between you and your innate divinity."

Of course people being people largely missed the point.  Now folks go to church to worship a guy that told them they didn't have to go to church in order to know God.  If not for what it says about the sad and submissive state of humanity it would be kind of funny.

On the other hand every now and then someone really gets something out of Christianity.  Sure they probably completely butcher the subtler aspects of what Jesus was trying to say, but at least people sense something there.  Even if the connection to something greater is all garbled and twisted by their human expectations, it is still a connection to a higher source of wisdom, through which simple ideas like, "Don't do that, you'll hurt yourself and fuck up your world you stupid human," sometimes still slip through.

If you ask me Christianity is very two faced.  By and large it is largely rule governed religious dogma that has often hurt humanity.  However there is also some real wisdom and insight buried within all the bullshit added to it by the church.  Many people have sifted through the noise and gained real insight, especially when you set aside the extraneous religious stuff and look directly at the words of Jesus and his closest followers.

Anyway, this why if I wanted to honor Jesus instead of going to church, I would  deliberately not go to church.  Then I'd share some of my deepest and sincerest thoughts about life with other people.  Of course most people would call me crazy for not acting according to social norms and cultural expectations.  I'd be made to look the fool for thinking that I might know more about such matters that the experts who learned the official story.

Through the shame and frustration of caring so much, but being completely misunderstood and judged by people I would develop a deeper understanding of Christ and what Jesus would have faced.  With my hard won insight into the difficulties of explaining basic spiritual concepts to stubborn human beings I could then try to explain what Jesus really was to people on the internet, most of whom would still not understand.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23951323 - 12/23/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus was not on the cross long enough to die, anymore than a stage death.  He died at a ripe old age in India.

People hunting you all your life in the Middle East.  Why should stick around?  Plenty of enlightened similar minds in the east, at the time.

Lot's of myth to make an epic story.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23951388 - 12/23/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23951498 - 12/23/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Jesus was not on the cross long enough to die, anymore than a stage death.  He died at a ripe old age in India.

People hunting you all your life in the Middle East.  Why should stick around?  Plenty of enlightened similar minds in the east, at the time.

Lot's of myth to make an epic story.




I'm not sure whether he was even a real person or just some symbolic construct.  Maybe he was an amalgam of several sages.  Though it strikes me that several people did tell very similar tales about this Jesus character.  At least some of the gospel writers seem to have been real and historically verifiable people, so it seems likely something, man or hybrid man/divinity did exist.

If he survived it makes sense that he might have returned east.  Returned because it seems plausible that he may have visited eastern cultures prior to his events in Jewish culture.  I was raised Christian, but studied Yoga, Buddhism, and Hinduism to some extent.  To me it looks like Jesus was sometimes trying to explain eastern concepts from within Jewish contexts.  The kingdom of God can be found by looking within being a prime example.

Of course in my opinion the specifics of his life are largely irrelevant.  If you press deep enough into any form of human spirituality it becomes clear that everything a highly symbolic and methaphoric.  You can't properly explain to human beings how "God" and "Heaven" really works.  Those things are just crude descriptors.  It is much more important to stay open to the general idea of life being larger than what normally perceive than it is to debate to correct interpretation of what "God" really is.  If we stay open and flexible we can move towards better understandings, but if we cling to specifics we stop growing.

I'm almost certain that "God" doesn't give one damn whether you reach out via a Christian diety, or Hindu one, or even your own personal vision.  The important thing would be that someone try to keep a connection to their source open.  However they see that is up to them.  Though if you could ask God what he is he might say, "Stop thinking that you already know what I am and allow me to help you along a journey that will help clarify this and many other things about yourself and life."

In a similar fashion I don't think Jesus would really care what we know of him specifically.  The things he did where meant to make him a largely symbolic figure.  In a way the specifics of the man died so that this somewhat ambiguous legend could emerge.  He would surely have rather created a situation that helped people than worry about himself and how he was perceived.

To me Jesus can be whatever someone needs him to be.  I see him as a rebel and an agent of change.  Others might see him as a stabilizing force, a constant they can cling to amidst the turmoil of life.  Someone else might see him yet another way.  The only correct way to see Jesus is the one that contributes to an individual's spiritual growth.  If you need a life presever to hold onto, Jesus can be that.  If you need someone to throw your hesitating ass into the turbulent waters of life, Jesus can do that.  "Enough with the always needing me, get out there and learn to do more for yourself.  You can't grow if you always need help."

Did Jesus exist at all?  Did he survive crucifixion?  Interesting go talk about, but we will never really know.  Plus it isn't nearly as important as whether or not we see something useful in him.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Sanguin3]
    #23951799 - 12/23/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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AllGreyThumbs said:

In a similar fashion I don't think Jesus would really care what we know of him specifically.  The things he did where meant to make him a largely symbolic figure..



“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying but what do you think about this? From what I've studied, Jesus sure made it sound like there was only one true way to heaven. I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that Jesus thought of himself as simply a symbol. "I AM THE WAY" seems pretty clear, don't you think?




I think about ego.  If he really cared about us, he would certainly rather help us that protect his own ego and image.  It's like, "Call me crazy, call a saint, believe I was a man, believe I was just a symbol.  See me any way you want.  The important thing is that you reach out to something.  From there we can build a build a better understanding of what all this really means."

To me it is less about what he really was than if something about what he says resonates in you.

I also don't think this is a matter of belief.  It isn't as simple as choosing an image of Jesus that you like, stamping that as true, and then being saved because you believe in Jesus.

Belief in Jesus feels just a little bit wrong to me  Faith maybe, a willingness to reach out to something that you can't quite define.  Reach out to Jesus, whatever you can accept that to be, but don't hold a completely fixed image of what that really means.  Something like that.

The thing is, to me this isn't a matter of belief at all.  To me spirituality is all about personal change and growth.  It isn't about believing in something.  It is about a very real process that can fundamental change the way someone sees themselves and relates to life.

"Heaven", isn't like a prize you win for being good.  It is more like new realities you can explore, but only after you have been aligned accordingly.  Our own personal spiritual growth is what matters.  If we aren't actually growing because of our efforts than it is all for nothing.  So Jesus would almost certainly care much more about helping us align ourselves, than about trying to make sure everybody thinks of him a certain way.

Spiritual journeys have to start somewhere.  Reaching out to Jesus is a damn fine way to get that started.  As a part of the spiritual process someone would almost certainly develop a better idea of what Jesus might have really been.  But my whole point is that rather than actually trying to learn from Jesus said, people too often get hung up on how they should think of and relate to him.  Let him be whatever he is to you, but allow some room for that image to evolve.

I mean, wouldn't I be a bit presumptuous to think that we can understand and debate about what Jesus was without actually taking the time to try to understand what he was trying to tell us?

In other words, think about the message at least as much as we think about the messenger.  Something like that.

As far as Jesus being the only way to the Father, I think there is something to that.  The problem is that there are such subtle little conceptual inflections that can actually be important.  It is hard enough to put these things in words, let alone expect to carry a perfect interpretation through multiple translations.  Really, the way to understand this stuff is too live it, to embrace a spiritual path and live process he described.  Then you can sit there and go, "Yea, it kind of feels like that, but maybe just a little different…”

Scholars can debate forever, but when you try to live it, it starts to make a lot more sense.

So I would say that Jesus is the primary route for human spiritual growth.  In a way he settled a debt or obligation to the human race.  Life would be pretty shifty if you had to scrape through a single human life and then die and cease to exist.  So in an effort to make life fair, every human had to be given a chance to become more than just an animal.  Everybody gets a fair shot at spiritual growth.  Jesus was the primary route through which that opportunity was given.

First of all he was a spectacle.  He burst onto the Jewish scene making all kinds of bold declarations and statements.  He directly challenged the authority of the Jewish church.  He encouraged people to defect and follow him.  Then he got killed, but the spectacle and his words were remembered.

Eventually people tried to use his word to claim divine authority.  A huge church formed around this guy who pretty much did tell people they didn't have to go to church or allow the elite to control spiritual understanding.  It would seem like he failed, but in the end he actually succeeded.  The church carried his ideas around the entire world and created a situation whereby almost anyone on the entire planet could see the things that he had said.

In large part this fulfilled the obligation that all human beings have a change at spiritual growth.  To me Jesus is the name given to the default human spiritual pathway.  If you reach out to “Jesus” you connect to structures that exist help guide humanity.

Of course I quoted “Jesus” because where once upon a time, or in historical concepts Jesus represents a figure.  In this context Jesus represent a spiritual pathway and network that this figure helped instill for human beings.

Is Jesus the only correct way to connect with God?  Yes and no.  Jesus, son of god, created to allow human beings an opportunity to become more that slowly dying animal...  When seen as a process or a pathway for human spiritual evolution, “Jesus” can represent the ways by which we can grow to become more than we are now.  Jesus is what benevolent divine forces did to give all of us a fighting chance.  You could argue that any true pathway to divinity runs through Christ or Jesus, the pathways designed for this very purpose.

On the other hand if you see Jesus more as a specific figure then he is not the only pathway to divinity.  You don't have to be a Christian or believe in the historical Jesus in order to evolve spiritually.  You do have to connect with a true spiritual path.  In some contexts you might say that you have to connected to Christ.  However you don't have to imagine or understand Jesus as the historical figure.

It’s all about semantics and actually fairly arbitrary.  If we think of Jesus (or Christ) as the effort made to help human beings then all valid spiritual paths are paths through Jesus.  When we think about Jesus as a specific figure then you don't necessarily have to reach out to that Jesus.

Try to realize that Jesus wasn't really a human being.  He was actually the embodiment of God’s desire to help human beings. 

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

When I read this I see him speaking not as a man, but as the embodiment of God's desire to help human beings.  In a sense he could be saying that you connect with God directly via the pathways that God has established.  The thing before you is the embodiment of the desire to help you.

In that instant Jesus may actually be speaking as a representative of the true pathways to god, and not just as a man.  At that moment he is the same as any other true pathway, which the same as any other.  Superficially human spiritual pathways might look different, but the underlying process is the same.  A Buddhist who s on a valid path will meet the same hurdles and go through the same kinds of things as a Christian.

Anyway you slice you aren't getting anywhere without God also reaching out to you and completing the connection.  In a way he is saying, “here I am, as the embodiment of God's outstretched hand.  You can take this path, or you can take one with a different face, but they are all the same path.”

I mean anyone who embarks in a true spiritual journey quickly finds out that all valid approaches to spirituality were pointing at the same thing.  The details and the way it was describe can be different, but the spiritual process is the same.  So you have to walk that path, the one that the man Jesus happens to represent

Of course you also have to remember the context as well.  In a lot of ways this was an affront to the Jewish church.  They claimed that they held the keys to the kingdom of God.  Jesus also might have been denouncing them as invalid.  “If you want to understand, you can't just follow people orders and go through the motions.  You have to truly embrace what I represent.”

Anyway, I hope my thoughts were interesting.  In the end the correct interpretation of these ideas is the one that helps people move forward.  If I know anything for sure it is that you can't evolve while clinging to fixed beliefs and interpretation.  When you lock down an idea you lock down your own ability to change and improve.

As a symbol for God's desire to help us we should reach out to Jesus and express a desire learn and evolve.  If we don't understand what he meant we should just admit that and ask for clarification.  Often time that’s all it take to reveal new and clearer ways of seeing things.  Of course that hinges on us actually wanting to learn and improve our understanding.  Too often people only want to defend their beliefs instead of improve them.

“I want to learn, grow, evolve, wake up…  AND I am willing to face my own limitations, misunderstandings and misconceptions.  I want to know where I can improve so that I can evolve.”

That's my motto.  I say it all the time.  Jesus is certainly an appropriate figure to express this towards.  Usually gets results.


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Re: Christ or Law. [Re: Shiithead]
    #23952244 - 12/23/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I follow the true divine light. Christ is bullshit. Some of the law is on the side of the light, such as laws against violence; other parts are in darkness, such as prohibition of drugs. Rapists deserve to be in jail, non-violent drug dealers do not.


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    #23952284 - 12/23/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know about that. There  can be situations where violence is easier on everybody.  Some people emotionally exploit others far worse,than violence will ever be greater.


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    #23952453 - 12/23/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Christ is The Light. Law is something man will never align with. Christ's coming has been thousands of years in the making. His Love obliterates all bounderies and lines in and between all dimensions. His Name is power and I personally will forever be in debt to Him. I'd rather be indebted to Christ for an eternity than law for a lifetime.


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his "Love", LOL.


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    #23952467 - 12/23/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus probably did drugs.  Don't you trip far out like Jesus?


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    #23952630 - 12/23/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I follow the true divine light. Christ is bullshit. Some of the law is on the side of the light, such as laws against violence; other parts are in darkness, such as prohibition of drugs. Rapists deserve to be in jail, non-violent drug dealers do not.



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