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Mateja



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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: TheMadHatter420]
#24825050 - 12/04/17 07:29 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yonatin said: I confess I think there is something up with the use of whole wheat flour in place of BRF because the cakes I improvised with whole wheat flour are eating a dink right now compared to the ones with BRF.
Thing about the texture of BRF and wheat flour, very diferent right? Wheat flour clumps in the same quantities as BRF, the smaller particles of wheat flour need to have more of it to create the same end result texture as BRF in my experience. Try to find a flour with the same texture as BRF. I did this experiment once with probably 10-12 different flour types and almost all of them went south because of the texture, mycelium could not colonize those cakes that were too compact.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Mateja]
#24825404 - 12/04/17 11:33 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just because two items are called flour doesn't mean they have the same nutritional profile. Wheat and rice are milled differently. Wheat has the protein gluten and the other doesn't causing them to bind differently when in contact with moisture. The nutrition profile is different. Also a lot of wheat flour even supposedly whole wheat flour has had the nutrients stripped from it and only the core nutrients and not the lost micro nutrients are added back. White rice flour goes through a similar process. BRF seems to be the most untouched flour. Information compliments of my culinary school background. They also differ in protein and fat content. There is a reason BRF is the standard. It contains the most suitable profile. Also wheat flour is nasty and gummy and sticky as fuck when wet. I hypothesize it's harder for the mycelium network to colonized through the glutinous mess versus the less interlocked rice four particles. Quit messing around guys. Ya know science and shit. It's real.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Mateja]
#24825418 - 12/04/17 11:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I confess I ate 5g's dry & 30 wet 3 days ago and I haven't had to take any narcotics. I've never experienced anything like it. Usually 24 hours of full relief but not 3 days. This has been the best flushes ever, potency is incredible and mood enhancement is awesome too. I think I found a multispore worth keeping. Since I started using the woodshavings they have improved in everyway.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Doc9151]
#24825436 - 12/04/17 11:52 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome news about the your self grown medicine! I confess I’m very curious about which strain is working this magic for you?
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#24825465 - 12/04/17 12:05 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Confession: my new medicine is Amanita Muscaria. This noon I found one, then went to search online, found out it helps in Lyme disease, went out for another search, found 3 more fresh specimens, and after being miserable, tired, not being able to think, for months on end, I just experienced my first symptomfree 3 hours. I was even feeling very warm after taking off a bunch of clothing and going outside. It's pretty damn cold out right now, yet walking outside with just pants, tshirt and sweater felt awesome. No cold at all. Still warm! I think I might be in love...
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#24825490 - 12/04/17 12:13 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's from wild Gulf Coast cubensis mycelium I took from a stem butt and put in agar. After a few transfers it was clean enough for jars. I started a hidden patch in the woods in a substrate of woodshavings (same used in stalls),, horse poo and old hay 50/25/25 the patch is 10'×5' and has been flushing hard every 3-4 days since the temps have dropped for the past month. Average haul is 2-4 pounds wet. I just hope I can reproduce the same results in the next grow.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LizardWizard]
#24825492 - 12/04/17 12:14 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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LizardWizard said: Confession: my new medicine is Amanita Muscaria. This noon I found one, then went to search online, found out it helps in Lyme disease, went out for another search, found 3 more fresh specimens, and after being miserable, tired, not being able to think, for months on end, I just experienced my first symptomfree 3 hours. I was even feeling very warm after taking off a bunch of clothing and going outside. It's pretty damn cold out right now, yet walking outside with just pants, tshirt and sweater felt awesome. No cold at all. Still warm! I think I might be in love...
Becareful with the dosage, it will poison you.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24825506 - 12/04/17 12:24 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, some flour types are simply not suitable for verm-cakes! My experiment with the many flour types was not successful because the jars were not prepped right, so the same experiment will be performed once again to determine what flour types mycelium can colonizes and fruit from best. It's for science
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Doc9151]
#24825538 - 12/04/17 12:38 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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LizardWizard said: Confession: my new medicine is Amanita Muscaria. This noon I found one, then went to search online, found out it helps in Lyme disease, went out for another search, found 3 more fresh specimens, and after being miserable, tired, not being able to think, for months on end, I just experienced my first symptomfree 3 hours. I was even feeling very warm after taking off a bunch of clothing and going outside. It's pretty damn cold out right now, yet walking outside with just pants, tshirt and sweater felt awesome. No cold at all. Still warm! I think I might be in love...
Becareful with the dosage, it will poison you.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Doc9151]
#24825554 - 12/04/17 12:43 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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LizardWizard said: Confession: my new medicine is Amanita Muscaria. This noon I found one, then went to search online, found out it helps in Lyme disease, went out for another search, found 3 more fresh specimens, and after being miserable, tired, not being able to think, for months on end, I just experienced my first symptomfree 3 hours. I was even feeling very warm after taking off a bunch of clothing and going outside. It's pretty damn cold out right now, yet walking outside with just pants, tshirt and sweater felt awesome. No cold at all. Still warm! I think I might be in love...
Becareful with the dosage, it will poison you.
I'd say a little poison is good. I bet you know Fugu..?
I will be carefull though, tinctures are rumored to be a whole lot stronger than just the dried ones. I don't know how it compares to fresh and cooked, but I'm sure I'll found out soon enough.
Aside from that, I think you can easily eat a whole cap without dying from it, or needing to go to the emergency room AFAIK. You might have a rough night, but hey, those who play with fire...
And after drying they loose a good portion of the danger anyway.
The deaths related to Amanita Muscaria are few and far between, and usually from very high doses, or attributed to the wrong mushrooms even (eating several species, misnoming one, but not the agaric of course). I've read an account of some rich dude waaay back when none of us' parents were even born, and they talked about some 20 mushroom caps eaten that evening, by that dude alone. Bet he was real crazy about them.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LizardWizard]
#24825561 - 12/04/17 12:50 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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excerpt from "A Study of Cultural Bias in Field Guide Determinations of Mushroom Edibility Using the Iconic Mushroom, Amanita muscaria, as an Example1 WILLIAM RUBEL*,2 AND DAVID ARORA*"
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Another mushroom, Paxillus involutus (Batsch) Fr., has a history of being eaten in Europe but can cause severe allergic reactions in people who have eaten it for years. A. muscaria, however, does not have such a record, and an adult who eats one or two caps, even uncooked, does not, according to the literature, risk such severe consequences. The fatal human dose for A. muscaria has not been determined. Benjamin (1995:309) speculated that 15 caps would be fatal, but it is unclear whether he was referring to A. muscaria or to the more toxic A. pantherina. Lincoff and Mitchel (1977) reported a man who ate 20 caps and survived, but also did not specify which species he ate. Many websites mention a fatality caused by the consumption of 20 or “two dozen” A. muscaria caps, but these apparently refer back to the unfortunate Count de Vecchi. What is known is that none of the hundreds, even thousands, of adults who have used A. muscaria as an intoxicant in North America have directly died from doing so (McDonald 1978:225), and early reports of A. muscaria usage as an inebriant in Siberia were not accompanied by references to fatalities.
link Thanking Alan Rockefeller for providing me this study
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Mateja]
#24825869 - 12/04/17 02:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mateah said: Yep, some flour types are simply not suitable for verm-cakes! My experiment with the many flour types was not successful because the jars were not prepped right, so the same experiment will be performed once again to determine what flour types mycelium can colonizes and fruit from best. It's for science 
Isn't that what psilocybe fanaticus did to perfect the PF tek? There's a lot of info out there on substrates
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Doc9151]
#24825876 - 12/04/17 02:50 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mateah said: Yep, some flour types are simply not suitable for verm-cakes! My experiment with the many flour types was not successful because the jars were not prepped right, so the same experiment will be performed once again to determine what flour types mycelium can colonizes and fruit from best. It's for science 
Isn't that what psilocybe fanaticus did to perfect the PF tek? There's a lot of info out there on substrates
Yep...all well documented ..different flours different subs till it came down to brf and verm
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: cronicr]
#24825902 - 12/04/17 03:03 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mateah said: Yep, some flour types are simply not suitable for verm-cakes! My experiment with the many flour types was not successful because the jars were not prepped right, so the same experiment will be performed once again to determine what flour types mycelium can colonizes and fruit from best. It's for science 
Isn't that what psilocybe fanaticus did to perfect the PF tek? There's a lot of info out there on substrates
Yep...all well documented ..different flours different subs till it came down to brf and verm
Has anyone ever done experiments with clones to BRF flour vs oat flakes/flour PF style with equal amounts of ingredients to see which produced better? If not im doing it soon!
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Mateja]
#24825917 - 12/04/17 03:12 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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All of the cakes colonized and have been birthed it's just that the size of the shrooms coming off of them are super small. I had a 4th flush from a BFR cake that produced bigger shrooms than the second flush of the whole wheat flour. I wont be using the whole wheat flour any more that's for sure.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Yonatin]
#24825985 - 12/04/17 03:41 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: cronicr]
#24826456 - 12/04/17 06:48 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mateah said: Yep, some flour types are simply not suitable for verm-cakes! My experiment with the many flour types was not successful because the jars were not prepped right, so the same experiment will be performed once again to determine what flour types mycelium can colonizes and fruit from best. It's for science 
Isn't that what psilocybe fanaticus did to perfect the PF tek? There's a lot of info out there on substrates
Yep...all well documented ..different flours different subs till it came down to brf and verm
Has anyone ever done experiments with clones to BRF flour vs oat flakes/flour PF style with equal amounts of ingredients to see which produced better? If not im doing it soon! 
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Mateah said: Yep, some flour types are simply not suitable for verm-cakes! My experiment with the many flour types was not successful because the jars were not prepped right, so the same experiment will be performed once again to determine what flour types mycelium can colonizes and fruit from best. It's for science 
Isn't that what psilocybe fanaticus did to perfect the PF tek? There's a lot of info out there on substrates
Yep...all well documented ..different flours different subs till it came down to brf and verm
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: cronicr]
#24826459 - 12/04/17 06:49 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice reply
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: cronicr] 1
#24826483 - 12/04/17 07:03 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont know how to mushrooms
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24826490 - 12/04/17 07:07 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I confess I have a few of the old jars I still haven't cleaned out. One of them is making primordia. It's pretty useless though since there is a few greenish blue spots. But first time I've seen pins and primordia in a grain jar. Sort of cool. Maybe I'll just leave it and see what it wants to do. But i'm not letting it out of the jar. I swear this TOC can pin through anything. I have to stop being lazy and OC and dump these things. As long as their contained though.
Uggh someone come drag me out of bed and nake me put these nice amazon jars into shoeboxes. My back is being so lame. I totally have to do it though before they get wasted even if it hurts.
Also yes. Someone already did all the fucking work to find the best flour. I know I'm not going to sit there and try making a mess doing them all over again. Unless I want to try some other mixture that hasn't been used tried and tested I'm done. PF tek it is.
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