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Boogieman47
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#24484287 - 07/15/17 01:35 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Boogieman47 said: Ya psilo you should feel more guilty and send more free stuff haha..
I apologize for taking it off of the original op psilo no harm intended
No problem ... I know you folks are mostly just messing with each other. The basic point is that there are a lot of cheaper grains than Organic Kamut - it works fine (I've tried it along with many other grains) but it is very expensive compared to WBS and unhulled oats. If BlackCat wants to try it out ... all we really need to say is there are cheaper grains that work just as well. If she want to avoid fungicides out of a concern for her health or the environment ... no problem.

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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Germs]
#24484428 - 07/15/17 04:15 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Germs said:
 Your organic hypoallergenic gluten-free kamut berries are obviously the superior choice here
Kamut isn't gluten free. It's better tolerated by some who don't tolerate gluten well, but still gives issues with most.
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TheBlackCat said: Actually I'm going to eat the kamut berries. And kamut is an ancient unmodified strain of wheat. Learn what gluten is before you try being smart. I'm using the rye berries I got for 1.15 a lb. Fungicides can be used post harvest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungicide
Indeed, in fact, pretty much all non-organic wheat in the US is sprayed with glyphosate before harvest since it ripens the grain further during the last few days, and it dries out the plants, so it gives a more uniform and (after drying) heavier harvest, and leaves less maintenance work for the machines.
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Germs said: If you're determined to overcomplicate things then fungicides haven't been a problem for the multitudes of cultivators that flock here
That's true as well. It doesn't matter. Mycelium will eat through it anyway. I don't know if it would be absorbed by the mushrooms, but considering you would be eating the same residue when you eat non-organic, I wouln't be too worried about it with the amounts we eat of our special shrooms, and the edibles don't use that much grain, so less to worry about...
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Boogieman47
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LizardWizard]
#24484431 - 07/15/17 04:20 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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What was that she bought before it wasnt the kamut berries they were about as big as whopper candies ?? Thats the shit i was talking about
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LizardWizard
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Boogieman47]
#24484439 - 07/15/17 04:38 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does a grain that big exist? o.O
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Boogieman47
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LizardWizard]
#24484448 - 07/15/17 04:44 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I could of sworn she had some funky shut from the store that was a chunky i didnt think it was the size of kamut
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ManifoldPrime
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Boogieman47]
#24484463 - 07/15/17 05:14 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quinoa grows when?
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Germs
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LizardWizard]
#24484501 - 07/15/17 06:07 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Germs said:
 Your organic hypoallergenic gluten-free kamut berries are obviously the superior choice here
Kamut isn't gluten free. It's better tolerated by some who don't tolerate gluten well, but still gives issues with most.
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TheBlackCat said: Actually I'm going to eat the kamut berries. And kamut is an ancient unmodified strain of wheat. Learn what gluten is before you try being smart. I'm using the rye berries I got for 1.15 a lb. Fungicides can be used post harvest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungicide
Indeed, in fact, pretty much all non-organic wheat in the US is sprayed with glyphosate before harvest since it ripens the grain further during the last few days, and it dries out the plants, so it gives a more uniform and (after drying) heavier harvest, and leaves less maintenance work for the machines.
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Germs said: If you're determined to overcomplicate things then fungicides haven't been a problem for the multitudes of cultivators that flock here
That's true as well. It doesn't matter. Mycelium will eat through it anyway. I don't know if it would be absorbed by the mushrooms, but considering you would be eating the same residue when you eat non-organic, I wouln't be too worried about it with the amounts we eat of our special shrooms, and the edibles don't use that much grain, so less to worry about...
How could no one tell I was saying this sarcastically...
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LizardWizard
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Germs]
#24484507 - 07/15/17 06:21 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was thinking it might have been, but I'm not all that good with determining levels of sarcasm...
I did know that using that specific grain was sarcastic though
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LizardWizard]
#24484521 - 07/15/17 06:38 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very very few farmers spray glyphosate on wheat pre harvest. Mostly myth. Soybean is done that way though.
Wheat, wheat hulls, wheat straw or Spelt, spelt hulls etc...These work great. The grains can be used for spawn and the hulls can be used to run edibles or actives.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Crispykoot]
#24484525 - 07/15/17 06:42 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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3015 Oyster on Organic Spelt hull:

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LizardWizard
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Crispykoot]
#24484529 - 07/15/17 06:46 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually, if you read this excerpt from this article, you might find that to be less than correct, depending on your area maybe, but even then, it's doubtful you are right. I highly respect you and your opinion, since you obviously know your shit, but this one, I'm gonna have to disagree on.
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Glyphosate Used to Speed Up Wheat Harvest
Charles Benbrook, Ph.D., who published the paper on the mounting use of glyphosate, says the practice of spraying glyphosate on wheat prior to harvest, known as desiccating, began in Scotland in the 1980s.
“Farmers there often had trouble getting wheat and barley to dry evenly so they can start harvesting. So they came up with the idea to kill the crop (with glyphosate) one to two weeks before harvest to accelerate the drying down of the grain," he said.
The pre-harvest use of glyphosate allows farmers to harvest crops as much as two weeks earlier than they normally would, an advantage in northern, colder regions.
The practice spread to wheat-growing areas of North America such as the upper Midwestern U.S. and Canadian provinces such as Saskatchewan and Manitoba.
“Desiccation is done primarily in years where conditions are wet and the crop is slow to dry down," Joel Ransom, an agronomist at North Dakota State University, said.
Ransom says desiccating wheat with glyphosate has been a useful tool for farmers.
“It does help hasten dry down and controls grain weeds and other material that slows down the threshing practice," he said. “It has an important role in areas where it's wet."
Ransom says the practice has increased in North Dakota, which is the leading wheat-producing state in the U.S., over the past 15 years due to wetter weather.
While more common in Upper Midwestern states where there is more moisture, desiccation is less likely to be done in drier wheat growing areas of Kansas, Oklahoma, Washington and Oregon.
All Conventional Farmers in Saskatchewan Desiccate Wheat
According to a wheat farmer in Saskatchewan, desiccating wheat with glyphosate is commonplace in his region. “I think every non-organic farmer in Saskatchewan uses glyphosate on most of their wheat acres every year," the farmer speaking on condition of anonymity said.
He has concerns about the practice. “I think farmers need to realize that all of the chemicals we use are 'bad' to some extent," he said. “Monsanto has done such an effective job marketing glyphosate as 'safe' and 'biodegradable' that farmers here still believe this even though such claims are false."
The vast majority of farmers in Manitoba, Canada's third largest wheat producing province, also use glyphosate on wheat, said Gerald Wiebe, a farmer and agricultural consultant. “I would estimate that 90 to 95 percent of wheat acres in Manitoba are sprayed pre-harvest with glyphosate; the exception would be in dry areas of the province where moisture levels at harvest time are not an issue," he said.
“Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Policy
According to Tom Ehrhardt, co-owner of Minnesota-based Albert Lea Seeds, sourcing grains not desiccated with glyphosate prior to harvest is a challenge.
“I have talked with millers of conventionally produced grain and they all agree it's very difficult to source oats, wheat, flax and triticale, which have not been sprayed with glyphosate prior to harvest," he said. “It's a 'don't ask, don't tell policy' in the industry."
Ehrhardt also says that crops grown to produce seed are not usually sprayed with glyphosate prior to harvest because this can damage seed germination.
Grain Millers, which has grain processing facilities in the U.S. and Canada, announced last year that it would not buy oats from Canada that had been desiccated with glyphosate. The company's Canadian procurement manager, Terry Tyson, told Western Producer that glyphosate disrupts the natural maturing process and starch development, resulting in lower quality flakes and flour. He said the decision had nothing to do with health or safety concerns.
“Would Rather Not Eat a Loaf of Bread With Glyphosate In It"
Still, there are obvious concerns about glyphosate getting into food products.
“We are told these (glyphosate residues) are too small to matter but can we believe that?" the Saskatchewan farmer asked. “I think everyone, even farmers that use and love glyphosate, would rather not eat a loaf of bread with glyphosate in it."
Wiebe shares similar concerns. “Consumers don't realize when they buy wheat products like flour, cookies and bread they are getting glyphosate residues in those products," he said. “It's barbaric to put glyphosate in food a few days before you harvest it."
Wiebe believes the use of glyphosate on wheat may be connected to the rise in celiac disease. “We've seen an explosion of gluten intolerance," he said. “What's really going on?"
“Can you imagine the public's response if they knew that glyphosate is being sprayed on the oats in their Cheerios only weeks before it is manufactured?" Ehrhardt asked.
Residues of glyphosate have been found in wheat flour. Last year, Ransom reported to the U.S. Wheat Quality Council that tests on flour samples from the U.S. and Canada found that all had traces of glyphosate. However, Ransom said these were well below the maximum residue limits for glyphosate in wheat, which are 30 parts per million in the U.S.
Still, Ransom said: “I wouldn't be surprised if someone repeated the test and found traces also."
In response to mounting concerns over the escalating use of glyphosate, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration recently said it would begin testing foods for glyphosate residues.
Powerful Effect on Food System
Along with wheat and oats, glyphosate is used to desiccate a wide range of other crops including lentils, peas, non-GMO soybeans, corn, flax, rye, triticale, buckwheat, millet, canola, sugar beets and potatoes. Sunflowers may also be treated pre-harvest with glyphosate, according to the National Sunflower Association.
Benbrook says that a large portion of edible beans grown in Washington and Idaho are desiccated with glyphosate.
There are no statistics kept on the number of acres of wheat or other crops that are desiccated with glyphosate, according to Ransom.
While the pre-harvest use of glyphosate may account for a small amount of overall use of the herbicide, Benbrook says this still has a huge impact. “It may be two percent of agriculture use, but well over 50 percent of dietary exposure," he said.
Further, he said: “I don't understand why Monsanto and the food industry don't voluntarily end this practice. They know it contributes to high dietary exposure (of glyphosate)."
Wiebe sees the situation in dire terms. “The most tragic thing is that industry is encouraging the use of glyphosate on wheat, farmers are using it, consumers are unaware of it and it's having a powerful effect on the food system," he said.
And wow, looking good! That's a pricey culture there, no?
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LizardWizard]
#24484722 - 07/15/17 09:17 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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walmarts in urban areas do not have wild bird feed. at least mine doesnt. 
Lowes is the ONLY place that carries 'wild bird seed' in my area. otherwise i have to go to a location that requires hopping on the interstate and id rather pay the outrageous price at lowes than drive up to fucking little peurto rico for bird seed.
oops that was 2 pages ago. im late whatever
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Germs
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Crispykoot]
#24484727 - 07/15/17 09:21 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crispykoot said: 3015 Oyster on Organic Spelt hull:


Oysters from 998 years in the future
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Germs]
#24484745 - 07/15/17 09:37 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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maybe I'm a little biased because the farms I work on are for research but I have been working long days in those wheat fields for years and I can tell you from personal experience that wheat is usually protected early season and then left throughout the summer to do it's thing.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24484756 - 07/15/17 09:45 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I confess that I'm a fanboy for Shroom Supply - I didn't realize I could leave a rating for them on the Shroomery. I just did - check my rating out.
Wheat / Grain Confession(s) I love prepping wheat and rye - love the smell, love the colors, love the taste of them. Often if my estimation is a little off and I have more grain than jar space I will make a grain salad and eat that chewing wholesome stuff right up.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#24484859 - 07/15/17 10:50 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I confess I have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for when isolating healthy mycelium and transferring it over and over. Can anyone link any good articles on what I should be trying to accomplish?
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tryptkaloids said: aside from how it should & shouldn't look and of course how to use the search feature
I'm sorry you missed this. it got buried by all the drama a bit down the first link is an agar section
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24484914 - 07/15/17 11:25 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24484974 - 07/15/17 11:51 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks man, much appreciated. Turned my two jars into shoeboxes today. We will see how things go!
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#24485296 - 07/15/17 02:37 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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PsiloPsychIn said: I confess that I'm a fanboy for Shroom Supply - I didn't realize I could leave a rating for them on the Shroomery. I just did - check my rating out.
Wheat / Grain Confession(s) I love prepping wheat and rye - love the smell, love the colors, love the taste of them. Often if my estimation is a little off and I have more grain than jar space I will make a grain salad and eat that chewing wholesome stuff right up.

I am a shroom supply fan girl. I grew my first um oysters on their stuff and it was bomb. They us an autoclave to sterilize their grains. I still have some leftover bags from a month ago that my friend sent me and they still smell great. I shouldn't waste them and should probably inject them soon or something. Probably going to use the kit soon for something because it's suited perfectly for that and then midway break it into a 27 quart. The other cultures I am making my own grain jars for.
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