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Lobi
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: TheMadHatter420]
#24438228 - 06/26/17 11:46 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheMadHatter420 said: Better get ready to bury a body, lol JK! JK! JK!
You always have to be ready for that;
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Boogieman47]
#24438232 - 06/26/17 11:48 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Boogieman47 said: come to find out the one had a kid our age who was a skater and he would tell her which kids were into what ...
Like Lobi said, always got to be ready.......
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BlueMillionMiles
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And if I can't even burry my spawn how in the world can I bury a body!! Is that not so sketch that she drew the connection with a sgfc and some tossed out grain???

Haha...you never know with neighbors, man. I bet she had an ex that did it, that's why she knows. Still a potential problem, though. Already you know she's nosy and up in your business, so that would freak me out right off the bat. And she JUST moved in? Yikes. That sounds like it might become a problem...especially if you ever piss her off, which you are bound to do because nosy neighbors just suck. If I were you, I'd keep my distance from her (be friendly but in a hurry) and actually grow some edibles. And when you're done, make sure she sees them (maybe don't show her on purpose, I'm guessing she'll ask and you want to keep her at arm's length) I'd also start sewing some "story seeds" with any other neighbors you happen to speak to on the regular. Talk about oysters and reishi and chat them up about the awesome portabellas you grilled last weekend, etc...whatever. When the time comes that she does bring it up again, it would be awesome to find some kinda way to appear a lil holier-than-thou to her. Lol...in my head, I'm imagining something like this: "Yeah sure, I could help you learn, if that's what you really want...if you don't mind your son getting that impression..."(drop that little bomb and quickly follow it with something like: "I don't really get into the psychadelics anymore---not worth risking another bad trip-- Hey do you know why they call the reishi the 'Mushroom of Kings'?....and proceed to lay some facts about edibles on her. Haha, I don't know, just a thought. It would be ideal to flip the script on her, I think.
I plan on growing edibles, and I hunt them, especially because I want to have something legit to say/show when somebody asks. Might be a lot of work, but it makes me quick on the draw when someone asks. My search history includes tons of info on oyster growing and spores, and I'm still trying to figure out an edible that uses the same substrates I'm using.
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TheMadHatter420
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So while I'm sitting here high, waiting on the PC I am playing the GBA version of the old board game Payday. Man this game is all about hustling. You buy "deals" as cheap as you can and sell those "deals", like this is straight up hustling.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: TheMadHatter420]
#24438380 - 06/27/17 02:19 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have so been out of commission. My shoulders not any better. Hurting me right to my finger tips now. Going to make an appointment.
Yeah I definitely want to grow some pan cyans someday because they are a native species. I may just grow them mostly with my edibles once I get more started up. I can be like oops how did those get in there. Must have come from when I was cloning those XYZ local wild mushrooms.
As for the shit I got this giant bag of dried manure and organic humus for like 5 bucks. I haven't tried it out yet but when I do I'll let you know if it's junk or not.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Bovung-Dehydrated-25-lb-Cow-Manure/4573228?cm_mmc=SCE_PLA-_-LawnGarden-_-Soil-_-4573228:Bovung&CAWELAID=&kpid=4573228&CAGPSPN=pla&store_code=1914&k_clickID=87c7a67e-98f4-445e-9302-db0e7d9aa96e&gclid=Cj0KEQjwhMjKBRDjxb31j-aesI4BEiQA7ivN-G6vvPiwmnHaoSsUlHAiUYzVDHzskh3KyEtbYczjQ-oaArIw8P8HAQ
I also saw this brand which looks like it gives you more. Sometimes more isn't always better. Could be more sand and rocks than anything.
https://www.idealtruevalue.com/store/p/141009-Earthgro-40-LB-Dehydrated-Manure.aspx?feed=Froogle&gclid=Cj0KEQjwhMjKBRDjxb31j-aesI4BEiQA7ivN-CHyQ2wP-xeAerYpAh2A0bvErvxzZ1-q8Ja7cqW8tq0aAifM8P8HAQ
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LizardWizard
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24438412 - 06/27/17 02:58 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh god, all those poo misunderstandings a few pages back, I haven't read it all so I'm gonna just drop my knowledge bomb on poo on y'all. Not saying I'm a poo encyclopedia, but I've worked with it about just as much as with coir, and I personally like poo better. ALWAYS WEAR TICK REPELLANT OR ROSEGERANIUM (BOURBON GERANIUM) OIL ON WRISTS, ARMS, ANKLES, BACK OF THE KNEES AND WAIST. TICKS ARE OFTEN ABUNDANT IN MEADOWS AND LYME DISEASE AND IT'S COINFECTIONS ARE NO JOKE! DON'T BE A FOOL, OR PAY A VERY BIG PRICE. 3 WEEKS OF ANTIBIOTICS IS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT VERY INEFFECTIVE AND EVEN WHEN IT SEEMS EFFECTIVE, YOU HAVE ONLY BOUGHT YOURSELF SOME TIME WITH IT. BE WARNED. MOSQUITOES ARE ALSO LIKELY TO STING YOU, SO CITRONELLA OIL WILL BE A GOOD ADDITIVE TO THE GERANIUM OIL. BOTH CAN BE USED ON SKIN WITHOUT DILUTION, IN DROP AMOUNTS, BUT TEST TO CHECK IF YOU'RE NOT ALLERGIC TO THE OILS. ALWAYS USE NATURAL OILS.
AFAIK, Pans love cow poo the most. You look for dried out, old ass cow patties, that have had rain on them a few times, so it's leached nicely. That, you mix with straw to give it some bulk.
For cubes, I use Horse poo. I've also collected donkey poo, or ass poo if you will, all pun intended. I collect from pastures and I rarely even ask. Don't go in one with horses, that might not suit the owner of the horse. If anyone asks what you're doing, either state you are collecting horse poo for your roses, or that you're growing button mushrooms, they're usually satisfied after hearing that. You're looking for the kind of poo where you see nuggets of dried out grass instead of the fresh brown/black greasy horse nugget. To check if it's good, break it apart. If it smells like soil or compost, it's good to go, if it smells like ammonia or some other foul smell, look further. Also, check both top and bottom. The bottom might be wet, but as long as the smell is the same, it's also good to go.
Horses are fed grains, so are cows, they also graze grains from the seeding grass on the meadows, and that's not an issue whatsoever. Pasteurization is needed, and no sterilization, because of the following. When you pasteurize poo, you kill off most life in the substrate. A small bit remains alive. This bit will spread throughout the substrate again during cooling. The life that is now in the poo, is not detrimental to the mycelium, and keeps the poo "occupied" so it's not being taken over by other life that would be detrimental to our mycelium.
I don't think pig poo is going to work. I don't know why, it's just a feeling I have. If it would work, it would have to be with an additive like straw to bulk it up. I do know that you can use poo (always leached) from rabbits, guinea pigs, elephants, zebra's, and that this list is far from comprehensive. But what all these seem to have in common with horse poo is that they eat grass, and that the grassy structure is visible in the poo.
I'm running 2 shoeboxes of hpoo right now, cube GT, spawned yesterday, added a bit of coffee and gypsum, and to one I added a capsule of activated charcoal,
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Boogieman47
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LizardWizard]
#24438429 - 06/27/17 03:29 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Idk about the grains sir ive always been told to get hay fed only that the grains can still survive the stomach process atleast maybe only with horses now cows have 4 parts of the stomach which may break the grain down more ... but horses i would bet a grain could go in and come out the same just like if we eat sunflower seeds or anything in the sense ... and therefore fuck up a tub due to only pasteurization ..
Trust me i have tons of horse poo on my property and if it is afact i could use it whether they ate grains or not id be in heaven cause its seriously aged to perfection ... im too scared to make a batch and there be grains and my shit all triches i know it comes down to the go ahead and try ...
But in my head and my luck ill get 3 tubs in with no issue and make a huge batch and bam all my shits gone haha
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hamloaf
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Boogieman47]
#24438461 - 06/27/17 04:23 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do several small batches with the manure until you get consecutive success, THEN scale it up. That way if, and, or when you fail your loss won't be so detrimental. Pasteurizing is really easy, though, and should only take you a few times of doing it to begin to get it down pact. Prepare a couple of extra jars next run for the purpose of spawning them to manure. Field aged horse manure is free, quality bulk substrate material.
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Boogieman47
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: hamloaf]
#24438467 - 06/27/17 04:37 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I pasteurize always im talking if the horses were fed grain would that be an issue?? I made this steam pasteurizer 155 for about 4 hours all the way around nothing goes over 155 inside and out ...
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jkz
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Boogieman47]
#24438475 - 06/27/17 04:44 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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That thing is sick boogie!
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Boogieman47
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: jkz]
#24438479 - 06/27/17 04:46 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks dude got the design from the homie liloldme heres the link https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23341904 i can stuff 12+ tubs at a time into it maybe 15 total ?? I have 10 in there right now ... im gonna build a bigger one soon
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Boogieman47]
#24438494 - 06/27/17 04:59 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's a beauty for sure.
Ended up putting off grain prep last night, I've got 5 really nice lgt plats that are soon ready for grain. Gonna prep 5 quarts of WBS this morning, PC it tomorrow morning before work, tiger drops Thursday morning before work.
I should of started grains last night tho so everything would have been on a better schedule. Oh well. Gotta make a few agar plates as well. Hoping this atl7 growth is actually good. Gonna grab a wedge from an lgt plate too, before I use it all for inoculation.
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BlueMillionMiles
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Boogieman47]
#24438504 - 06/27/17 05:09 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The horse has beneficial bacterium (similar to what's in the rumen of a cow) that specifically break down tougher plant fibers. At least healthy horses do. I've never noticed any grains in horse poo, but I was never really looking, either. I suppose it's possible, but you shouldn't see grains that are undigested unless it's a pretty sick horse, I think.
A landscaper/gardener might know better, they'd probably be pissed at the weeds sprouting from the fertilizer 
If I were you, I'd take some and put it in a bucket, then fill it with water to break down the manure. Pour it out on gravel or whatever, somewhere you can look to see any grains. If not, I'd think it's safe to pasteurize more manure.
Ever heard of "the Mushroom Capital of the World"? The smell of horse manure around there is UNBELIEVABLE...and even people at the huge equine center in the same town are surprised by it. The underground mushroom farms there have made an art out of using horse shit for all it's worth, which is apparently a lot.
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LizardWizard
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Boogieman47]
#24438510 - 06/27/17 05:21 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Boogieman47 said: Idk about the grains sir ive always been told to get hay fed only that the grains can still survive the stomach process atleast maybe only with horses now cows have 4 parts of the stomach which may break the grain down more ... but horses i would bet a grain could go in and come out the same just like if we eat sunflower seeds or anything in the sense ... and therefore fuck up a tub due to only pasteurization ..
Trust me i have tons of horse poo on my property and if it is afact i could use it whether they ate grains or not id be in heaven cause its seriously aged to perfection ... im too scared to make a batch and there be grains and my shit all triches i know it comes down to the go ahead and try ...
But in my head and my luck ill get 3 tubs in with no issue and make a huge batch and bam all my shits gone haha
Pasteurization is key to all this.. As long as you pasteurized it, and didn't let it cool down too fast, you'll love it. I even pasteurize it in my sterilizer, without the lid, on the stove, with no bags or pillowcases whatsoever. I just break up the dry nuggets in the pot, add hot water from the tap, and a bit of boiling water from the water cooker, making sure not to go over 70°C. Then I turn on the stove on low, stirring it every now and then and keeping an eye on the temps, and sticking the thermometer in a few different places to check every few minutes. When I've got it at a steady 65 degrees, I try to keep it there by turning the stove on and off every now and then. After an hour of steady temp, and usually about half an hour of fiddling to slowly get up to temp before that, I crank it up to 72°C in the hottest parts, mix it again, and turn it upside down in a strainer that's hanging in a bucket. When it's thoroughly strained, I take strainer+pot and turn it around again (my strainer fits well on the pot) and after cleaning the outside of the pot off, place the pot inside a Hay pumpkin, it's basically a cotton bag in another cotton bag, with loads of wool between those bags. Blankets would work too. Then I put a lid on the pot (not the sterilizer lid, but I guess you could do that just as well) and cover it with a blanket. I leave it until the next morning. That way, the thermophiliac bacteria in the poo get a good nice growing before spawning, which protects from other contamination.
When I spawn I like to throw the manure in the tub, nicely lay it out one side, then put the previously soaked grains on top of that in a nice layer, and then take hands of grain+manure to rub it all together and break up the manure nicely in the process. This takes some time, and might make the grains recover a bit more slowly as all the mycelium gets rubbed off, but the mycelium that gets rubbed off will pick up again too, making the sub pick up and colonize more uniformly and I think even a day or so faster in the end.
They are fed grains for sure, horses get oats as a power food, and linseed as well, though that's not technically a grain.
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Edited by LizardWizard (06/27/17 05:25 AM)
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Steevo
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: TheMadHatter420]
#24438650 - 06/27/17 08:01 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheMadHatter420 said: Hey grow you some edibles and offer her some, try to keep her from thinking your growing actives.
Sounds like she could turn into a problem. IMO she already knows too much but if you act weird around her now then your goose is cooked for sure man. Keep your shit indoors so she can't see it and I'd go to the grocery store and get some oysters to clone or some shit because you need to start growing edibles to cover your tracks. Even if she turns out to be the coolest person you know, that's one too many people that know the truth
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Steevo]
#24438915 - 06/27/17 10:17 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Confession: I performed surgery on one of my subs with a handsaw this morning. I cut a wide margin and I hope I exorcised the mean green...
Also I woke up at 4am, could not fall back asleep so I harvested and loaded the dehydrator for about an hour and went back to bed.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#24438920 - 06/27/17 10:20 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I couldn't sleep either. I got up and got everything ready to prep grains today. WBS is a full time job ffs lol Had to go to a cardiologist to drop off some gadget they had me hooked up to all weekend. Annnnd now I'm prepping grain.
Tiger drops tomorrow boys.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: jkz]
#24438967 - 06/27/17 10:41 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm tiger dropping tonight too!
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jkz
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: mynakedrat]
#24438989 - 06/27/17 10:50 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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mynakedrat said: I'm tiger dropping tonight too!
 Do you drop the whole plate? I know it's tic tac toe or w/e if you cut it up, always figured you'd get more surface area that way, giving you faster colonization.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Steevo]
#24439016 - 06/27/17 11:00 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeaaahh...i thought about just buying some mushrooms from the store and marinade them in some olive oil and garlic and give them to her as a "welcome to the neighborhood here are my homegrown mushrooms" but i might just keep my distance instead...idk
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